Fang lei was hopeless from the moment ML and her sister were together Any normal person would not have any kind…
The ML and the other male friend absolutely have an obligation to talk to Fang Lei's family, to tell them she is unstable and threatens to commit suicide in an attempt to manipulate people. The willingness to use extreme manipulation like that, is the evidence she needs help, she doesn't actually have to try to kill herself. It may be that her father is useless and doesn't realize she needs help, parents can be like that. The minimum expectation is you notify a person's family or equivalent, when you notice they are unstable, otherwise you are being negligent, which many people sadly are.
Fang Lei, the dead woman's sister, is such a disturbing and sad character. These men should help her, talk to her dad and get her in therapy. It's disturbing how her behaviour is presented like she's an annoying woman just trying to get a man. It centers the man, like how the man is part flattered and part annoyed because she wants him, when it's not about the man. It's about her mental health that she needs medical help with. Let me guess how the story will end for her... she'll just magically snap out of it, because of some other pretty boy. 😒
I get that this is how female characters were written in the past, men especially liked to write female characters like this. Women that scream, throw things, treathen to kill themselves and scheme, when romantic relationships don't go their way. The truth is most women behave like the FL, they say what they would like in the relationship, which men often take as nagging, and then the women leave relatively quietly, because they accept the men won't treat them like they are full human beings. Like here the FL asked the ML to stop trying to buy her, while keeping her at an emotional distance, and when the ML still wanted a transactional relationship, she asked for a divorce.
I´m sorry but those cheap wigs are killing the vibe...
The wigs are like that in Chinese period dramas. I always try not to look at the side burns too hard 😀. It's one of those things you get used to after a while, like weird sound effects in Thai dramas, dubbing etc.
I don't know it's that exactly, all sides just seem to be re-evaluating the situation once again. Who knows what will happen, might be nothing. We'll just have to wait and see.
Not from Singapore, it’s a Chinese 🇨🇳 drama. They just used Singapore to dodge the ban. 😁
To be fair, Taiwanese BL is made in Taiwan by the Taiwanese, credit to where credit is due. Just now there's been Chinese BLs under Thailand (Meet You at the Blossom) and Singapore (Kill to Love), I'm not even sure what the most resent sensatoion Revenged Love was tagged under. There's turmoil in the Chinese entertainment industry again, so who knows what will happen to all the BLs trying to avoid censorship by airing outside Chinese mainland in the future. We might end up with more censored tragic bromances instead of BLs 😒.
Half the time we get a release date before we know where exactly they are airing a BL. Kill to Love, a Singaporean BL (it's Chinese really, just released outside China to avoid censorship), had a release date for quite a while.
HOW is this being called a masterpiece and so good? The episodes were basicilly info dump. The affect leaves much…
Some people here use the word masterpiece just to say they personally like a show a lot. That word gets thrown around rather easily. Mydramalist is an international site. For some people English is maybe their third language and they might also be young and excitable. It's not that deep.
Seriously, what? "the female lead just seems to be treating the male lead too awfully... she doesn't need…
"but your negative interpretation feels very suspicious, because we know from the very beginning that Sang Yan loves Yi Fan. It’s impossible to interpret his actions negatively, since that’s part of his nature and personality."
No, his actions stand on their own, it doesn't matter if he likes her or not. Liking someone isn't a justification or an excuse for playing mind games. I agree that "His way of loving quiet and cunning, like a fox is his discreet way of protecting himself from getting burned." But he is still playing games with all the lies and little manipulations he does, and then claims he didn't do while giving her a blank gaze. I get that it's normalized for men especially, to act like this if they like a girl, but it's actually not unproblematic behaviour.
He is the one making things complicated and then the woman gets the blame. Even here in the comment section Xefjord says she is cold and she causes missunderstandings when it's him doing both 😒. She caused a missunderstanding when they were young, the rest are on him. She is not playing games with him, she is being courteous to him all the time. It's a theme in the show. She gets harrassed and attacked by men repeatedly for simply existing in the world and the men and the women around her blame her, not the actual people who do the bad things. It's an interesting phenomenon.
Seriously, what? "the female lead just seems to be treating the male lead too awfully... she doesn't need…
"Part of what makes him come off as somewhat obsessive is the fact that she is so coldly ignoring him all the time and he keeps persisting. If there was a little bit more give and take, the main guy would look less pathetic..."
Like I said it's his choice to keep persisting and obsessing. If he looks pathetic, it's him that's making that happen, it's not up to the woman to make him look good.
"...but I still think the main guy is a good guy largely doing stuff for the benefit of the woman."I am not really gonna be convinced that "actually the male lead is the problem" in all this."
It's two individuals in different head spaces. I'm not saying he is THE problem, he is behaving a bit weirdly though. He acts kinda jealous and does backhanded secret things for her, like the way he switched the rooms after they'd made a mutual agreement. She likes him in this carefull quiet way, but thinks he is confusing and aloof, you can see her quietly trying to assess his motivations. He is also acting cold, he needs to speak up as well. It's two people that have to come to an understanding before there's romance.
I just finished episode 8 and I am having a really hard time continuing this drama. Maybe its just because I am…
Seriously, what?
"the female lead just seems to be treating the male lead too awfully... she doesn't need to be so cold and force so many misunderstandings...I don't want to watch the male lead get tortured for 10-15 episodes for a cold ungrateful female lead. I get its supposed to be a story about how a woman who feels worthless can still find love, but actions speak louder than words and her actions have been pretty consistently awful."
The female lead is clearly being neutral, not cold. The only hurtful thing she did was back in high school, when she felt she had to leave him and lie about the reason, to protect herself. She is not responsible of his crush on her, it's not her job to coddle him or manage his feelings. She is not ungrateful, what does she have to be grateful for, except for when the male lead helped her with the violent friends of her would be rapist. She thanked him for that and treated his wounds. Whatever else the male lead did was his own business, he is actually a bit obsessive when it comes to the female lead. He is the one that played games, acting like "I dont know who you are, lady" and going behind her back to do what, secretly move in with her, buy things for the house and claim they were not specifically for her. She is being kind to him actually, giving him grace repeatedly, while also being neutral and going with the flow.
Come on Taiwan, why can't you match the level of We Best Love, it's so frustrating. My Beautiful Man from Japan is a way better BL about obsessive behaviour. Even the lunacy of HIStory 4: Close to You is more interesting than this story.
I’d say that most people here are likely not using their critical thinking - and given the comedic and light…
It's not like I sit around critiquing and criticizing every detail of the shows I watch, I've just had it with the speech policing of critical comments. Looks like there's a lot of positivity bias here.
I'm not opposed to a neutral lense, shades of grey, dark comedy, satire etc. As far as I understand deliberate romanticisation in the context of dark comedy or satire means there's ridicule and criticism of problematic behaviour. Generally it's assumed grown people understand when something is problematic. Sadly in reality teens and adults don't understand half of it, we are shockingly ignorant as a species. So obviously ambiguity is never entirely unproblematic, especially since critical thinking skills are not taught to people.
I’m honestly confused by your long post about “romanticization.” It’s really detailed, but I’m still…
"So, long story short, you’re saying Tuo and JunXi’s relationship isn’t abusive?"
If you think I said "isn't abusive", it looks like you don't know what "framed as" means, when I said "...riddled with consent issues, but not framed as abusive..."
"Framed as" means the perspective or context in which the abusive behavior is presented.
A simplified example: This show presents us with Han Tuo's abusive behaviour, like manipulation, and then the story goes on, as if there was no meaning in it, no accountability for the abusive behaviour, like said manipulation. That is creating a setting that makes abuse, like for example manipulation, look acceptable, which is romanticization of abuse.
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I get that this is how female characters were written in the past, men especially liked to write female characters like this. Women that scream, throw things, treathen to kill themselves and scheme, when romantic relationships don't go their way. The truth is most women behave like the FL, they say what they would like in the relationship, which men often take as nagging, and then the women leave relatively quietly, because they accept the men won't treat them like they are full human beings. Like here the FL asked the ML to stop trying to buy her, while keeping her at an emotional distance, and when the ML still wanted a transactional relationship, she asked for a divorce.
No, his actions stand on their own, it doesn't matter if he likes her or not. Liking someone isn't a justification or an excuse for playing mind games. I agree that "His way of loving quiet and cunning, like a fox is his discreet way of protecting himself from getting burned." But he is still playing games with all the lies and little manipulations he does, and then claims he didn't do while giving her a blank gaze. I get that it's normalized for men especially, to act like this if they like a girl, but it's actually not unproblematic behaviour.
He is the one making things complicated and then the woman gets the blame. Even here in the comment section Xefjord says she is cold and she causes missunderstandings when it's him doing both 😒. She caused a missunderstanding when they were young, the rest are on him. She is not playing games with him, she is being courteous to him all the time. It's a theme in the show. She gets harrassed and attacked by men repeatedly for simply existing in the world and the men and the women around her blame her, not the actual people who do the bad things. It's an interesting phenomenon.
If there was a little bit more give and take, the main guy would look less pathetic..."
Like I said it's his choice to keep persisting and obsessing. If he looks pathetic, it's him that's making that happen, it's not up to the woman to make him look good.
"...but I still think the main guy is a good guy largely doing stuff for the benefit of the woman."I am not really gonna be convinced that "actually the male lead is the problem" in all this."
It's two individuals in different head spaces. I'm not saying he is THE problem, he is behaving a bit weirdly though. He acts kinda jealous and does backhanded secret things for her, like the way he switched the rooms after they'd made a mutual agreement. She likes him in this carefull quiet way, but thinks he is confusing and aloof, you can see her quietly trying to assess his motivations. He is also acting cold, he needs to speak up as well. It's two people that have to come to an understanding before there's romance.
"the female lead just seems to be treating the male lead too awfully... she doesn't need to be so cold and force so many misunderstandings...I don't want to watch the male lead get tortured for 10-15 episodes for a cold ungrateful female lead. I get its supposed to be a story about how a woman who feels worthless can still find love, but actions speak louder than words and her actions have been pretty consistently awful."
The female lead is clearly being neutral, not cold. The only hurtful thing she did was back in high school, when she felt she had to leave him and lie about the reason, to protect herself. She is not responsible of his crush on her, it's not her job to coddle him or manage his feelings. She is not ungrateful, what does she have to be grateful for, except for when the male lead helped her with the violent friends of her would be rapist. She thanked him for that and treated his wounds. Whatever else the male lead did was his own business, he is actually a bit obsessive when it comes to the female lead. He is the one that played games, acting like "I dont know who you are, lady" and going behind her back to do what, secretly move in with her, buy things for the house and claim they were not specifically for her. She is being kind to him actually, giving him grace repeatedly, while also being neutral and going with the flow.
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Confirmed this will air on GagaOOlala on August 25th - Worldwide except HK, Macau, Thailand, Japan & Korea
https://www.instagram.com/p/DNW6z_WN49z/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=dzByaW9nNHN4M210
Other platforms: trueID, Viu, YouTube, Heavenly. Unclear yet if YT requires channel subscription."
Title: Kill to Love
Type: Drama
Format: Standard Series
Country: China
Episodes: 12
Airs: Aug 25, 2025 - Sep 23, 2025
Airs On: Monday, Tuesday
That's never going to happen, and is frankly a naive and controlling suggestion.
I'm not opposed to a neutral lense, shades of grey, dark comedy, satire etc. As far as I understand deliberate romanticisation in the context of dark comedy or satire means there's ridicule and criticism of problematic behaviour. Generally it's assumed grown people understand when something is problematic. Sadly in reality teens and adults don't understand half of it, we are shockingly ignorant as a species. So obviously ambiguity is never entirely unproblematic, especially since critical thinking skills are not taught to people.
If you think I said "isn't abusive", it looks like you don't know what "framed as" means, when I said "...riddled with consent issues, but not framed as abusive..."
"Framed as" means the perspective or context in which the abusive behavior is presented.
A simplified example:
This show presents us with Han Tuo's abusive behaviour, like manipulation, and then the story goes on, as if there was no meaning in it, no accountability for the abusive behaviour, like said manipulation. That is creating a setting that makes abuse, like for example manipulation, look acceptable, which is romanticization of abuse.