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It really is. 😂

Go to the Kill to Love page on mydramalist, they'll put the info on there eventually. For now there's a comment by CORRRK that says:

"corrrk 3 days ago
Confirmed this will air on GagaOOlala on August 25th - Worldwide except HK, Macau, Thailand, Japan & Korea
https://www.instagram.com/p/DNW6z_WN49z/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=dzByaW9nNHN4M210
Other platforms: trueID, Viu, YouTube, Heavenly. Unclear yet if YT requires channel subscription."

Don't despair, next Chinese BL begins in under a week!

Title: Kill to Love
Type: Drama
Format: Standard Series
Country: China
Episodes: 12
Airs: Aug 25, 2025 - Sep 23, 2025
Airs On: Monday, Tuesday

Come on Taiwan, why can't you match the level of We Best Love, it's so frustrating. My Beautiful Man from Japan is a way better BL about obsessive behaviour. Even the lunacy of HIStory 4: Close to You is more interesting than this story.

".....can we just say nice things about shows until the end then we can show how disappointed we are afterwards..."

That's never going to happen, and is frankly a naive and controlling suggestion.

Surrogacy is illegal in China, so getting a surrogate is only slightly more probable than an mpreg sceanario.

It's not like I sit around critiquing and criticizing every detail of the shows I watch, I've just had it with the speech policing of critical comments. Looks like there's a lot of positivity bias here.

I'm not opposed to a neutral lense, shades of grey, dark comedy, satire etc. As far as I understand deliberate romanticisation in the context of dark comedy or satire means there's ridicule and criticism of problematic behaviour. Generally it's assumed grown people understand when something is problematic. Sadly in reality teens and adults don't understand half of it, we are shockingly ignorant as a species. So obviously ambiguity is never entirely unproblematic, especially since critical thinking skills are not taught to people.

"So, long story short, you’re saying Tuo and JunXi’s relationship isn’t abusive?"

If you think I said "isn't abusive", it looks like you don't know what "framed as" means, when I said "...riddled with consent issues, but not framed as abusive..."

"Framed as" means the perspective or context in which the abusive behavior is presented.

A simplified example:
This show presents us with Han Tuo's abusive behaviour, like manipulation, and then the story goes on, as if there was no meaning in it, no accountability for the abusive behaviour, like said manipulation. That is creating a setting that makes abuse, like for example manipulation, look acceptable, which is romanticization of abuse.

The romanticization of abuse is an example of one of the prevalent issues in shows. So I used it as an example to point out that this show, like many others, does infact have issues, and you should therefore expect people to talk about them.

wonofyourgirls gave examples of Han Tuo's abusive behaviour in their comment above, gaslighting for example, is manipulation, manipulation is emotional abuse. It seems that you aren't all that familiar with the various forms abuse can take.

Romanticization of abuse in relationships means portraying abusive behaviour as acceptable. It has nothing to do with the stage of the relationship, it makes no differenece if it's someone flirting with you, a date, a boyfriend or a spouse. Han Tuo's abusive tendencies are not framed as abusive, they are framed as acceptable, so they are romanticized.


I'm referring to all the people on mydramalist that keep complaining about comments expressing criticism towards problematic behaviour in shows. I'm referring to their endless comments on mydramalist saying things like: there are no issues in this show, and even if there are other shows have issues too, you can't deal with reality, this show isn't for you if you criticize it, stop watching then etc.

Totally! I'm so tired of people on mydramalist implying that talking about consent and such means you as a viewer can't handle adult topics or NC scenes, or have something against portrayals of human sexuality or whatever false equivalence they come up with. Talking about these issues is what handling adult topics means!

Seeing issues in shows doesn't mean you have to, or want to, stop watching them. We can all make our own choices.

Romanticization of problematic behaviour in media is more of a rule than an exception. It is perfectly reasonable to talk about consent issues or general abuse issues in all media all around the world. There's no reason to contribute to the normalization of harmful behaviors that can even contribute to the acceptance of abuse in real life relationships.

Seriously, it's so normalized many people don't even pick up on issues in simple real life scenarios like: A man goes after a woman he wants, the woman says no, not interested. Instead of leaving the woman alone, the man thinks, I must try harder. Society has taught the man that is normal, not abusive, and the woman is even expected to think it's flattering, when it is against her explicitly stated consent. That is romanticization of abuse, not good behavior and it only escalates from there.

ROMANTICIZE definition
-to deal with something or describe something in an idealized or unrealistic fashion; make something seem better or more appealing than it really is.

The ROMANTICIZATION of abuse in relationships is portrying abuse including dubious consent as passionate, love, or making abuse seem acceptable or even desirable.

When abuse is framed as abusive it is NOT ROMANTICIZED, when abuse including lack of consent or dubious consent is framed as passion, love, desirable etc. it has been ROMANTICIZED.

If actions and dynamics are framed as abusive then by definition they are NOT ROMANTICIZED.
In Secret Lover Tuo and Jun Xi's relationship is riddled with consent issues, but not framed as abusive, therefore by definition the problematic behaviour is ROMANTICIZED.

People can watch shows with problematic content. People can like shows with problematic content. People can criticize shows or parts of them and still watch them or drop them or whatever. The worst it can get is when people don't notice issues at all, or try to normalize problems, or shame others for noticing something problematic.

Seriously guys, calling out problematic behaviour doesn't mean you have to come to mydramalist to make announcements of your every thought.

Demands like this are excessive...
"No comment. No outrage. Nothing. Yet you claim you “immediately call out problematic sexual behaviour when you see it.” That is a textbook double standard...You asked, “Why do I have to comment on that scene at all?” You didn’t have to — until you publicly claimed you always do. If you hadn’t said that, nobody would have questioned your silence. But you set that expectation, and when the moment came, you conveniently avoided it."

Quote NLE: "From your (@Aries21) explanation, you seem to accept the forced kissing in Secret Relationships because SuHyeon and JaeMin’s actions were framed as “abusive” and the characters didn’t end up together. But in this series, because Tuo and Jun Xi are meant to become lovers, you see a similar moment as automatically “ROMANTICIZED.”

ROMANTICIZE definition
-to deal with something or describe something in an idealized or unrealistic fashion; make something seem better or more appealing than it really is.

The ROMANTICIZATION of abuse in relationships is portrying abuse including dubious consent as passionate, love, or making abuse seem acceptable or even desirable.

When abuse is framed as abusive it is not ROMANTICIZED, when abuse including lack of consent or dubious consent is framed as passion, love, desirable etc. it has been ROMANTICIZED.

If in Secret Relationships SuHyeon and JaeMin’s actions were framed as “abusive” then BY DEFINITION THEY WERE NOT ROMANTICIZED.
In Secret Lover Tuo and Jun Xi's relationship riddled with consent issues, is not framed as abusive, therefore BY DEFINITION IT IS ROMANTICIZED.

"Secret Lover" is a Taiwanese BL series adapted from the Japanese manga "Itte Owari na Wake ga Nai!" (イッて終わりなわけがない！) by Komeoka Shigu.

Itte Owari na Wake ga Nai!
in English: There's no way we're done after cumming!

Riku and his friend Takuma have had a crush on the same girl since they were children and have competed for her all along. For this reason, Riku has always considered Takuma his rival. They were usually playing rock-paper-scissors, but at some point, their betting games have become kissing and hand-job competitions! Takuma's experienced, and his d*ck is huge... Nevertheless, Riku's determined to make him c*m first and win the competition. However, while Takuma's giving him a hand job, he kisses him fervently, blowing Riku's mind away...! The competition is between a pushy popular guy and a virgin who hates losing, but neither of them is willing to give up!

It's a travesty they made this show this plotless. I looked up the manga this is supposed to be based on and that's some crazy source material. There was so much potential to make this a show with a compelling plot, even if you toned it down a little. There's so many interesting ways Han Tuo could have fake dated Jun Xi, challenged Jun Xi and proven to Jun Xi that he is the one Jun Xi likes, not their mutual friend.

It's not just Asian men. Male team sports, for example, are rampant with butt grabbing, despite those male sports supposedly being centres of traditional hetero masculinity.

All those homosocial interactions, including that butt grabbing, are generally considered non-sexual (just about dominance etc.), while homosexuality involves sexual attraction. However, there's actual research on how male homosocial behaviour can be motivated by underlying eroticism. So dudes are just overly repressed by social expectations. 😄

LOL I read some chapters, but really selectively, because I've made that mistake before.

Honestly, for me, the one thing that would've really made the relationship between WSW and CC feel more grounded in the show is, if the NC elements were somehow less old school, less of WSW flailing, panicking and offering prudish denials and less of the yaoi like fixation on pain. It would've felt truer to Chi Cheng's dominant character, if he'd had a talk with WSW and confidently told WSW "this is on me, I will make it good for you, trust me".

https://www.wattpad.com/user/HOEUNHOEUN
I've read a few chapters here and there, it's in 2 parts.
1st part revenged love chapters 1-200
2nd part chapters 200+

All video has adjustable playback speed. Go to the settings on the video and and make it 90 or something to slow it down a little.

They should have just translated it as "seal the deal" instead of "getting a certificate".