They hit each other on the road bang on, from what it seemed and both fell sideways on to the beach and then, on top of each other....even the benevolent BL-gods must be cringing from up above/down under....🙄🙄🙄
I don’t want to spoil too much, but she wasn’t betrayed.Give it a few more episodes and you’ll probably…
Exactly....but when we are blinded by jealousy, anger, and ego, we fail to see any reason, and usually take the path that has the potential to hurt our perceived 'enemies' the most, no matter who they are, and what the consequences of our actions are...thankfully Pin woke up and reconsidered before it was too late
I don’t want to spoil too much, but she wasn’t betrayed.Give it a few more episodes and you’ll probably…
Agree to most of what you said.
If you really ask me, Sasin did not really need to be apologetic about falling for the man his cousin loved, particularly knowing full well that he will never ever fall for her...and yet he apologised considering her feelings and positions and also the fact that he promised to protect her and look out for her and understood that it must have felt like a betrayal when she learnt of their relationship. But in the strictest sense, why can't he love a man just because his cousin fancied him? The hurt is understandable, like any of us would feel if the person we love doesn't love us back and loves another close to us...but that does not entitle us to a revenge using our societal power advantage..Pin was downright a monster in that context...but as a human being both Sasin and Saenkaew disregarded that and kept thinking of her and her feelings....and people are still harping on how Pin was a victim in the this context...she was NOT..on the contrary, she was the perpetrator
It was actually Saenkaew who was in a soul-crushing pain, he already had the huge baggage of his POS father blaming him for his mother's death, holding him ransom to a loveless, imposed life-long partnership to rescue their assets and family reputation, protect grandma, and then also the burden of trying to work out a solution that helped his undeserving father, while at the same time not break the heart of the girl who loved him....but Pin could see none of that because she was too engrossed in her self-pity and victimhood, albeit not without reasons, but none of that was due to Saenkaew or Sasin.
If Pin didn't insist on marrying Saenkaew out of her desire for revenge, a lot of what transpired, would never have happened in the first place. Saekaew would have got the marriage certificate with Rachawadee, transferred the assets as per his POS father's demands, and saved Pin from a loveless marriage....
But what did she chose to do instead - force the man to marry her, turned a blind eye to the pleadings of the man she claimed to love, disregard that her father-in-law would do harm to her 'dear' cousin and blurted all of their whereabouts to him....and then when Sasin was down with a bullet-wound and destroyed from having watched his love get married to his own cousin, a woman he didn't love.....Pin shows up in the pretext of feeding him herbs, to rub it in that she was in Bangkok with 'her husband'....and also try everything in her power to guilt-trip the only person in her entire family who protected, loved and cared for her... such malice and viciousness...and yet neither of these two men blamed her....and she is supposed to be victim out of these three!! RIGHT...the blindness of it all!
I tell you , Pin was downright a disgusting and evil MONSTER during this phase....and not by default, but by choice....she deserved absolutely NO kindness from either Sasin or Saenkaew after what she did, forget apologies...and yet both of these men continued to apologise to her, and did not even once bring up how she, single-handedly ruined their chance at happiness and forced Sasin to almost die in the process....because they genuinely cared for her feelings and well being.
She DID NOT give up Saenkaew to Sasin...he never belonged to her in the first place...... what was she doing dissolving in self-pity, making it seem like she is making this HUGE sacrifice....it was either that, or her stuck with a loveless, bitter marriage for a lifetime...
Thankfully better reason prevailed and she saw the folly in her behaviour...and yes towards the later part she could get rid of her monster-like tendencies, and start being more rational and humane, and I believe, could retrace her way back to loving the duo....as she should have been able to do a long time ago, for the only two people who really cared for her...and she is NO VICTIM in that context...she should thank her lucky stars that both Sasin and Saenkaew let it go, like they did for the POS father....
Pin's hurt and pain was a reality, but so was her evil, monster avatar, even if short-lived
I don’t want to spoil too much, but she wasn’t betrayed.Give it a few more episodes and you’ll probably…
I stand by those words...her being all that and her being in pain due to other valid reasons can co-exist in my opinion...they are not mutually exclusive...and I think that way, her character was written really well.....very real
Yes, she has her set of problems, the ass**le parents, the all encompassing patriarchy that took away control of her own life away from her, and the only happiness she imagined was to escape all of that with the man she loved from an early age...so yes, what you said about 'soul crushing pain' is not incorrect....her pain was valid and it is but human to crack under it...but that does not and will not ever change the fact that she was all set to deliberately inflict pain and revenge on the men who actually acted and planned to protect her, her interest and life, even though they fell for each other in the process...
Her victimhood with regards to the larger society, her parents and her life situation was valid and real, but not her victimhood with regards to these two men who she chose to take it out on...that, I repeat, was "a fantasy tale of betrayal she herself imagined, made herself the martyr hero of, pickled in self-pity and victimhood"...and no amount of arguments to the contrary will convince me otherwise.
Me seeing and acknowledging Pin's legitimate hurt/pain and being a victim , does not need me to disregard the problematic/villainous side of her.... or anyone for that matter....the good, bad, and the ugly all co-exist in us IMO...and at least it is good that her character was able to choose the better thing to do in the end.
I don’t want to spoil too much, but she wasn’t betrayed.Give it a few more episodes and you’ll probably…
Mostly agreed, though I do see her as a victim in ways too.....of the system, patriarchal social norms, and the entrenched power structures....but yes, much less of a victim than Sasin-Saenkaew's pair in the specific context of their relationship...both of them hurt Pin, and that was wrong, though a lot of that was not in their control.... but none of them betrayed her in anyway whatsoever
I don’t want to spoil too much, but she wasn’t betrayed.Give it a few more episodes and you’ll probably…
I am not wanting to write off her emotions...the 'fantasy' part is about her being delulu, despite getting repeated reminders that it is very unlikely to happen, to the extent of refusing to even talk about it...and afterwards believing that she can force someone to love her...and that too after forcing them to abandon the one they love.
All of these would definitely, and without any shred of doubt, qualify as fantasy living and thinking in my opinion. A fantasy where she was the principal character in focus and the biggest victim...a fantasy that not only hurt her, but everyone else as well.
My consideration of her emotions, which I definitely acknowledged, as I hope is apparent from my earlier post, does not change the way I look at it. It is alright if you do not agree to this perspective though, we can always agree to disagree.
I don’t want to spoil too much, but she wasn’t betrayed.Give it a few more episodes and you’ll probably…
Agreed that not telling her was wrong...but it was not because they were betraying her....her sense of betrayal from Sasin was not completely unfounded though since she expected him to protect her, and off course would not have imagined him falling for her fiance....but before Sasin became aware of his own attraction to Saenkaew, he was trying to protect her only since he could sense something off in Saenkaew and was constantly trying to find out what it was...so in ways which he WAS doing what was expected of him....It was only when he found out about Saenkaew being gay that he changed his stance conciously...Yes, not disclosing anything to Pin was not the best idea, but given how prone she was to blurting all things to that POS father, I would say they were not being entirely unreasonable
Saenkaew did not betray her at all....it was plain to Pin from the very beginning that he did not love her and it was only an arrangement, it was her own attraction to him that made her turn a blind eye and ear every time Saenkaew tried to broach the topic, albeit cautiously....I am not blaming her behaviour here because she wanted to dream some and that is only human...but she has no reason to blame him for her heartbreak...the only thing that was strategically wrong on Saenkaew's part was how nice he was to her...but he is like that and is nice to almost everyone....
Sasin and Saenkaew were NOT conspiring to betray her, on the contrary, they were actually trying to save everyone involved...and yes, it would have been the best case scenario if they were to also confide in her about why they were doing what they were doing...but that does not make them such huge betrayers
We also saw how convinced she was that she can make Saenkaew love her instead, even when she learnt that the two men were in love, and Saenkaew is gay ...truth be told there were pretty obvious signs all along, she did not want to see them...again not outright blaming her only for that, because it is only human to want to run from uncomfortable truths....
She was majorly delulu and wanted to continue to live in that world...others like Rachawadee also tried to convince her to give up the idea, but she was adamant in wanting to hurt back and/or 'own' Saenkaew against his will, using the power leverage that she had....which again is human...but is definitely not the ideal human behaviour...so there were issues at both ends, I would say way more on Pin's end, than on Sasin and Saenkaew's end
Anyway, it was good that she finally realised her mistake and let Saenkaew go, who was not her to control in the first place
I rarely critique a BL series. I’ve never wanted to turn entertainment into a research paper. But for the past…
But in the same breath, 'culture' is used far too many times and instances in many Asian countries to avoid potentially unsettling, but extremely important conversations and engagements...I think this drama, portraying a story from the 60s is actually bang on with the ending, since it couldn't h ave been any better during that timeframe...but I also understand why many of us are unhappy with it....I think this paragraph and how you put it, beautifully explains the same:
"A lakorn is basically free group therapy. One character’s misfortune invites our sympathy, another’s cruelty fuels our anger, and yet another’s foolishness gives us someone to yell at. We pour out every bit of bottled-up frustration onto these poor fictional souls."
I don’t want to spoil too much, but she wasn’t betrayed.Give it a few more episodes and you’ll probably…
Bang on...a fantasy tale of betrayal she herself imagined, made herself the martyr hero of, pickled in self-pity and victimhood ....don't we all know at least one person like that!
There are a couple examples to against the stupid Asian let's whitewash scumbag parents tradition:The End of the…
Agreed....but I guess as Asian individuals themselves, it is difficult to start seeing and actively acknowledging it as a core cultural issue. As an Asian myself, I actively talk about this in my own circles, particularly from a queer perspective, but we need to be careful in the same breath, so as not to demonise 'Asian parenting' as a whole
There are a couple examples to against the stupid Asian let's whitewash scumbag parents tradition:The End of the…
Ikr...out of these four, I have watched three and agree that they deal with them the right way, mostly that is....
This kind of out and out narcissistic abuse in the name of 'I'm only doing it for your own good'-propaganda needs to END....people do follow pop-culture, and perpetrators are emboldened by such portrayals.....it seriously harms countless individuals who are living on a precipice, like forever....it has been going on for centuries!!
I wish at least one show will do the courageous thing, and put such shitty parents where they belong.
Yet to watch the finale, but I heard that they forgive the POS father in the end!!!! He plain deserves a miserable death, or at the least a life where his son disowns him and never ever sees him again.
This is plain beautiful...and hilarious and heart tugging...to say that I like it, will be an understatement..it gives me the Tales of the City vibes, which is an absolute favourite...after a long time, we get a drama about love, friendship, and camaraderie involving gay men, that feels real and yet, promising...🥰
I think Namping has improved his acting in the more recent episodes...but NGL , I had initially put this series…
Ikr...its such a pity because the show has really improved with every episode and it could have well been a real all-round stunner if this one thing could be better.....unfortunately, there's very little one can do about chemistry I guess...you either have it or you don't..
Something tells me my eagerness to see Tee in a semi-lead role in a BL after the stunner that was Triage, is going to end up in disappointment
If you really ask me, Sasin did not really need to be apologetic about falling for the man his cousin loved, particularly knowing full well that he will never ever fall for her...and yet he apologised considering her feelings and positions and also the fact that he promised to protect her and look out for her and understood that it must have felt like a betrayal when she learnt of their relationship. But in the strictest sense, why can't he love a man just because his cousin fancied him? The hurt is understandable, like any of us would feel if the person we love doesn't love us back and loves another close to us...but that does not entitle us to a revenge using our societal power advantage..Pin was downright a monster in that context...but as a human being both Sasin and Saenkaew disregarded that and kept thinking of her and her feelings....and people are still harping on how Pin was a victim in the this context...she was NOT..on the contrary, she was the perpetrator
It was actually Saenkaew who was in a soul-crushing pain, he already had the huge baggage of his POS father blaming him for his mother's death, holding him ransom to a loveless, imposed life-long partnership to rescue their assets and family reputation, protect grandma, and then also the burden of trying to work out a solution that helped his undeserving father, while at the same time not break the heart of the girl who loved him....but Pin could see none of that because she was too engrossed in her self-pity and victimhood, albeit not without reasons, but none of that was due to Saenkaew or Sasin.
If Pin didn't insist on marrying Saenkaew out of her desire for revenge, a lot of what transpired, would never have happened in the first place. Saekaew would have got the marriage certificate with Rachawadee, transferred the assets as per his POS father's demands, and saved Pin from a loveless marriage....
But what did she chose to do instead - force the man to marry her, turned a blind eye to the pleadings of the man she claimed to love, disregard that her father-in-law would do harm to her 'dear' cousin and blurted all of their whereabouts to him....and then when Sasin was down with a bullet-wound and destroyed from having watched his love get married to his own cousin, a woman he didn't love.....Pin shows up in the pretext of feeding him herbs, to rub it in that she was in Bangkok with 'her husband'....and also try everything in her power to guilt-trip the only person in her entire family who protected, loved and cared for her... such malice and viciousness...and yet neither of these two men blamed her....and she is supposed to be victim out of these three!! RIGHT...the blindness of it all!
I tell you , Pin was downright a disgusting and evil MONSTER during this phase....and not by default, but by choice....she deserved absolutely NO kindness from either Sasin or Saenkaew after what she did, forget apologies...and yet both of these men continued to apologise to her, and did not even once bring up how she, single-handedly ruined their chance at happiness and forced Sasin to almost die in the process....because they genuinely cared for her feelings and well being.
She DID NOT give up Saenkaew to Sasin...he never belonged to her in the first place...... what was she doing dissolving in self-pity, making it seem like she is making this HUGE sacrifice....it was either that, or her stuck with a loveless, bitter marriage for a lifetime...
Thankfully better reason prevailed and she saw the folly in her behaviour...and yes towards the later part she could get rid of her monster-like tendencies, and start being more rational and humane, and I believe, could retrace her way back to loving the duo....as she should have been able to do a long time ago, for the only two people who really cared for her...and she is NO VICTIM in that context...she should thank her lucky stars that both Sasin and Saenkaew let it go, like they did for the POS father....
Pin's hurt and pain was a reality, but so was her evil, monster avatar, even if short-lived
Yes, she has her set of problems, the ass**le parents, the all encompassing patriarchy that took away control of her own life away from her, and the only happiness she imagined was to escape all of that with the man she loved from an early age...so yes, what you said about 'soul crushing pain' is not incorrect....her pain was valid and it is but human to crack under it...but that does not and will not ever change the fact that she was all set to deliberately inflict pain and revenge on the men who actually acted and planned to protect her, her interest and life, even though they fell for each other in the process...
Her victimhood with regards to the larger society, her parents and her life situation was valid and real, but not her victimhood with regards to these two men who she chose to take it out on...that, I repeat, was "a fantasy tale of betrayal she herself imagined, made herself the martyr hero of, pickled in self-pity and victimhood"...and no amount of arguments to the contrary will convince me otherwise.
Me seeing and acknowledging Pin's legitimate hurt/pain and being a victim , does not need me to disregard the problematic/villainous side of her.... or anyone for that matter....the good, bad, and the ugly all co-exist in us IMO...and at least it is good that her character was able to choose the better thing to do in the end.
All of these would definitely, and without any shred of doubt, qualify as fantasy living and thinking in my opinion. A fantasy where she was the principal character in focus and the biggest victim...a fantasy that not only hurt her, but everyone else as well.
My consideration of her emotions, which I definitely acknowledged, as I hope is apparent from my earlier post, does not change the way I look at it. It is alright if you do not agree to this perspective though, we can always agree to disagree.
Saenkaew did not betray her at all....it was plain to Pin from the very beginning that he did not love her and it was only an arrangement, it was her own attraction to him that made her turn a blind eye and ear every time Saenkaew tried to broach the topic, albeit cautiously....I am not blaming her behaviour here because she wanted to dream some and that is only human...but she has no reason to blame him for her heartbreak...the only thing that was strategically wrong on Saenkaew's part was how nice he was to her...but he is like that and is nice to almost everyone....
Sasin and Saenkaew were NOT conspiring to betray her, on the contrary, they were actually trying to save everyone involved...and yes, it would have been the best case scenario if they were to also confide in her about why they were doing what they were doing...but that does not make them such huge betrayers
We also saw how convinced she was that she can make Saenkaew love her instead, even when she learnt that the two men were in love, and Saenkaew is gay ...truth be told there were pretty obvious signs all along, she did not want to see them...again not outright blaming her only for that, because it is only human to want to run from uncomfortable truths....
She was majorly delulu and wanted to continue to live in that world...others like Rachawadee also tried to convince her to give up the idea, but she was adamant in wanting to hurt back and/or 'own' Saenkaew against his will, using the power leverage that she had....which again is human...but is definitely not the ideal human behaviour...so there were issues at both ends, I would say way more on Pin's end, than on Sasin and Saenkaew's end
Anyway, it was good that she finally realised her mistake and let Saenkaew go, who was not her to control in the first place
"Maybe that’s the real emotional labor of watching historical melodrama: holding frustration and empathy in the same hand"
Yes, and yes..:)
"A lakorn is basically free group therapy. One character’s misfortune invites our sympathy, another’s cruelty fuels our anger, and yet another’s foolishness gives us someone to yell at. We pour out every bit of bottled-up frustration onto these poor fictional souls."
This kind of out and out narcissistic abuse in the name of 'I'm only doing it for your own good'-propaganda needs to END....people do follow pop-culture, and perpetrators are emboldened by such portrayals.....it seriously harms countless individuals who are living on a precipice, like forever....it has been going on for centuries!!
Yet to watch the finale, but I heard that they forgive the POS father in the end!!!! He plain deserves a miserable death, or at the least a life where his son disowns him and never ever sees him again.