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She's also great in the 2015 Cheer Up! I'm mean, she plays a terrible person in the first half but she does a great job and has a nice character arc. She's also lovely in Rebel: Thief Who Stole The People. :)

Agreed!!

Yes, this detail bothers me, too. My biggest issue with him so far. Why not learn sign language? And even secretly would be better than not at all!

It's just that the way it was used in your original comment doesn't seem to be describing men in any of these ways, since I think being a bringer of peace, being wonderful, caring, gentle, kind, and nurturing would also be attributes of good men, or even just good people; instead, I was picturing you meant things like "weepy," "whiny," "petty," "shallow," "sentimental," "emotional/volatile," or "pushover/doormat," etc. which is usually what people mean when they describe men as "feminine." Though I wouldn't consider any of these to be positive aspects of women at all either, which is why I find the word "feminine" when describing a man's behavior to be a negative descriptor of females, too. So, then, in my mind a negative use of feminine would really just be negative HUMAN traits, not femininity specifically. Anyway, I know I'm being nitpicky and splitting hairs, but I just thought the use of "feminine" above was not very accurate or edifying, and said in a way that reinforces negative stereotypes of women. But thanks for dialoguing as I realize I'm kind of pulling your comment apart! 😬 I appreciate your respectful responses.

Also, did you watch the entire drama? The characters all have arcs, and all of them (men and women) improve vastly by the end.

Yeah, that makes sense! I don't think it makes sense for him to know until recently that she can talk, let alone know she was 406. :)

I wonder if they're referring to the dashcam footage from the car she was kidnapped in?

In theory I get what you mean, but when you say the men are feminine in this drama, what is the specific quality of "femininity" you're saying they're showing? That looks good in a female but bad in a male?

Interesting, I don't disagree with you about Hollywood portraying people this way, but as far as Kdramas go, I feel like I've seen these tropes galore in older Kdramas, too? It doesn't seem like a trend they're moving more towards, at any rate (in my opinion and from what I've seen). I see these caricatures and cliches as purposely written lamely so the main characters of a story have to rise above their toxicity or stupidity, etc. or who become a foil to their thriving that they have to overcome. So, more for storytelling purposes than social commentary (though I'm sure that can't be removed entirely).

I also find the use of "feminine" here, sandwiched between "weak" and "irritating," to be a bit demeaning. Are you saying women are, by their very nature, pathetic? You use it as a derogatory word, which is why I ask. I mean, if the quality you describe as "feminine" in the male characters was removed from the man and assigned to a woman, would it suddenly not make it a negative connotation? I can't help but wonder that it wouldn't... 🤔

Yes, someone on this thread shared that this is from the novel.

But Squid Game also has a lot to live up to.... and won't it be released all at once like the last season?

I wonder if they'll show that he noticed the "kidnapper" stopped stuttering (or as that something the kidnapper pretended to do? 🤔). Maybe the ML has suspected but has also been intrigued and confused? And Kdramas like to circle back and reveal things characters knew or noticed that led up to a reveal. 🤷‍♀️

Knight Flower, for instance, got in the high teens, I think? But yes, that makes sense!

But I already did! 😅 So now I hope it ends well, haha!

That's good to hear! :)

The only reason I've backed off from currently airing dramas is that so many of them that start well end lamely. And then you feel like you wasted your time. 😭 But I did start this one... 🫣

Yeah, he's quite beautiful in Dr. Romantic, but his character for 2/3s of the drama is a first class jerk. He often plays jerks. Was he nice in Hospital Playlist? 😅 I feel like I've also heard that he's hard to work with (in real life). Korea does a good job curating people's experiences of their actors. Often hard to know what they're really like. 😏

For Nielson ratings, I think that's on the lower end. The really, really successful dramas (released by networks) get into the high teens or low twenties (unless I'm getting my rating metrics mixed up). 😅

👍 Haha, got it.

Oh, thank you! They usually try to keep the real culprit's actor under wraps, but I was curious if you knew or had a hunch. Thanks for the details! A wild ride ahead, it looks like!

P.S. And by 675 you mean the ML, right? 😅

Oh, I didn't know PDJ was a double agent; interesting! I feel peremptorily sad for the ML when he finds out. 😧

We haven't met BHJ in the drama, yet, right? We've just heard about him? Do you know which actor in the cast list is the real BSE?