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I agree. I also already started to look at it in that angle. And have implied in my comment in one of the threads, that it might be the actress' acting. Poorly written characters portrayed by good actors/actresses, still have hope in terms of viewer relatability. Tsukasa from Hanayori Dango for example is a character that's unpalatable but because Matsumoto Jun did well in playing the character on screen, there's even room for viewers to laugh. Since WCR is new to main roles I guess I can respect that. But this might be the first ZWY drama I've watched that I'm reluctant to repeat (I tend to rewatch ZWY dramas) in the future. 😅

My idea when she got her memory back was that the next episodes are going to be intense, not in the way that the ML is intensely pursuing her, but that her revenge on Prince Sui will be. I mean, for someone so eager to do it, she looked like she has a lot of free time to not do so. Granted her first attempt (and that it was almost right after she came to the capital, prolly one of the best things she ever did when her memory returned) failed but that scene didn't even give me the thrill in the first place. From there, I expected she would still move in a fast pace. Not recklessly, but maybe an elaborate scheming scene would have made up for that. Also, in that sense, I'd have accepted her indifference towards ML without question as she's more determined to accomplish her goal than pursue romance. Anyway, it is my fault for expecting it to go that way. So I guess that's that.

P.S. Still blaming writers for ruining Mian Tang for me.

Lol! Don't worry, I don't intend it that way. 😅

I also wouldn't easily forgive which is why I'm saying in different threads ML groveling can be in a montage (meaning he can chase because he has to earn her affection back, just not dragging it for episodes and episodes) so there's more time to build on the new connection. More than me being okay with lies (white or otherwise), as a viewer, I also just don't want to use my time watching them in this chase when we all know they would reconcile anyway. As for the argument of ML arresting FL despite pardon, I can agree that it is mute, given the sound explanation you gave. But, the argument that FL's mockery of ML is deserved or warranted, even after FL herself said in finality that they don't owe each other (whether they stood there as LW x CXZ or LMT x CJ) anymore, is also mute. Acting differently than what was deliberately established is distasteful. At least personally, as a viewer, I'm not asking her to be kind or nice to him. I also just don't want to see her making a mockery of the person she used to respect even as an enemy. It's not only a disservice to ML, but a disservice to the earlier founded magnanimity of the FL.

Actually, I intend to just wait on Arshi too. Just like the other commenter a few scrolls back on the whole thread. Seems like the most peaceful activity here. 😂

If by serious angst you mean having the ability to elicit passionate discussions in this platform, then I guess yes. It has enough angst to pit people against each other. 😅 The comedy will continue to drop here and there so I don't think you will be entirely rid of it.

Tbh, I've put my hopes on them more than the main cp now. At the very least, I've seen scenes of mutual respect between these two, enough for their love story to build up on. 😅

This comment. Lol! I am dead. 😂

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Idk, I didn't write screenplay for LMT. 😂

As much as we want to not arrest their family, that's not what people during old times in China do when said crime is treason. I do see your point and you actually make sense than most. But, just to be clear, I still don't think anyone here wants to be kidnapped or lied to. And if I'm wrong, at least I'm sure, I don't want it.

In that context, I will concede I am brainwashed. 😅

I'm just not sure where they will pull those justified romance from. As it is, I'm already slapped by a truce that suddenly gave FL license to tease ML. What sparked that playfulness after blatant indifference? And this is a genuine question.

It's my first drama of her. It might take time for me to pick up another one of hers after this, as I'm beginning to think LMT is not only poorly written but also that the character wasn't portrayed well. 😅

Good for you to see those emotions, but I still don't. And I guess having differences in regard to that is okay. I did agree that it may be subtle, but that it's too subtle for me (not anyone else) to see. Doesn't mean you are wrong for seeing it, neither do I invalidate it as a person who don't. As these takes on what translates well on screen or not varies per individual based on their preferences on how particular scenes should be portrayed and how particular emotions should be conveyed. In my case, subtle doesn't equate to 'stony' but instead may be likened to micro expressions.

Between WCR and ZWY, the latter translates subtlety on the screen better than the former. As in the case of the waterfall scene, when the shot switched from WCR's hand piercing ZWY's chest with hairpin to close up on his face, you'll see a second of surprise quickly changing to understanding then acceptance. When he returned the pin back in her hair, he was looking at the pin like it was LMT herself and not a thing that he was holding. And when he said 'Alright, I'll listen to you" the pain was apparent behind his expression of resignation. In contrast, I saw a WCR whose face is crumpled the whole time (I guess, I could read that as suppressed pain). At this point, when people are pointing out there's nothing wrong with how the FL was written, I have only the actress to blame for poor deliverance. Even with that said, I am not beyond praising her for the way she looked at ZWY's character when they were doing shadow puppetry. She nailed subtle acting there.

When nuances in emotion is not shown by the actors/actresses, viewers tend to grapple understanding what goes in the characters' mind making them unrelatable. Some would say she kept the hairpin, what more are we asking for to accept she still likes him? Keeping a hairpin does not show nuance in emotion. It's a singular situation that told you, maybe she still has feelings, but chose to not dwell on it. That is only our interpretation and not the actual reasoning behind the character's incessant mockery of the ML.

On a different note, I'm not sure if your response was even for me but I replied as your comment appeared in my notifications. 😅 Although, I think, I also somehow addressed why other viewers have a problem with LMT in the episodes succeeding ep23. 🙂

I get that it's normal to hide emotions after the trauma. However, she didn't have to hide it from the audience too. Idk about subtle. I guess maybe the emotions were there but they're so subtle, or the actress just doesn't know how to translate that onto the screen.

Do concubines not count as ally to who they are married to? And even if they aren't allies, they are family by marriage so if one is suspected of treason, so is the concubine. And they were pardoned how? They were pardoned through connections: General Shi and Prince Sui (both are someone CXZ didn't trust and put a guard up on, also the established bad guys). Hence, LMT and CXZ are targeting the same person in the later episodes. But at this point in time (LMT amnesia) no matter the noble cause LMT has, is not privy to CXZ. So yeah, he still acted in accordance to national interest. Never said he was a saint. It also still doesn't equate to me wanting to be kidnapped or lied to.

I'm optimistic too. And I do think I can still finish this. 😂

As for total brainwash, I'm afraid it's not just LMT who is affected. When she regained memory, people here started losing theirs and forgot the premise of the drama. 😶

Internally, I am rooting for them. I just don't think I'll be as invested in the romance as I was before. 😂

Lol! Agreed. 😂