Astonishing. Consent can't be a thing when someone is this drunk. And supposed signals given (and I insist, supposed)…
So...how do you react to dramas in which a person who you believe to have been raped falls in love with their rapist and vice versa and everything is hunky-dory at the end? Are you saying it is OK to feature a less than black and white sexual encounter as long as the supposedly guilty party gets the kind of punishment you believe to be appropriate, and not otherwise?
Astonishing. Consent can't be a thing when someone is this drunk. And supposed signals given (and I insist, supposed)…
At this point, as there have been many many comments back and forth on this matter shared below in this thread if you care to scroll down and read them, I'm not going to continue arguing the rape/not rape controversy.
Rather, I'm more interested in the idea that from an artistic freedom and story-telling perspective, it doesn't matter whether or not rape was depicted here. It is the show-makers' right to tell whatever story they wish in whatever manner they choose to tell it. It is a legitimate function of art to push buttons and challenge assumptions. The artists are not obligated to tell stories that make viewers comfortable at all times and in all ways, because the audience member has the right and ability, at any time whatsoever, to stop watching the program and walk away. That is how art and the commerce surrounding it works.
To summarize my position: This particular scenario was not rape. If I'm wrong and it was, it doesn't matter. Anyone traumatized or outraged by this content is free to stop watching. Any attempt by those same people to seek to censor or shut down this program so that it will not be accessible to others, is dangerous and bullshit. Those persons should seek employment with the government of the People's Republic of China as censorship is one of the things they do best.
omg. 18+ is for explicit, graphic pornography, complete with clear views of body part, actual sex and body fluids.…
Who's "worked up?" I state my views passionately and sometimes aggressively, much like the people who attack me with charges of being a rape apologist, pervert, mentally ill, etc. Have you left this message for them also? I don't believe there's some obligation to keep one's comments dispassionate when the purpose is to counter the statements of folks aggressively seeking to push an agenda with which I whole-heartedly disagree. Hmmm...yeah pretty sure I can tell you anything I want. Whether or not you oblige is entirely up to you. If someone is expressing outrage, mental and emotional upset, moral shock, etc. I don't see telling them to stop watching as a bad recommendation to make.
One episode left and the MC has not exchanged one single kiss or extended embrace. Would this ever happen in a straight version of the same story? Would one half of the straight couple have leaned in for a kiss and then passed out on the shoulder of the other half? Unlikely. This drama is over-rated in many respects. I used to say it had a great big heart despite all the shortcomings but all the tropes, cliches, internalized homophobia in directing choices, bad acting, etc. have worn me down. I'm down to a 5/10,\. Your mileage may vary.
I'm wondering if maybe the 'content rating' should to be changed to 18+ instead
omg. 18+ is for explicit, graphic pornography, complete with clear views of body part, actual sex and body fluids. Is that what this was to you? Stop watching before you stroke out. Kids don't' need to be afraid of dramatic, fictional, sexual scenarios presented as part of a drama. It is ALWAYS the "adults" who freak out.
Astonishing. Consent can't be a thing when someone is this drunk. And supposed signals given (and I insist, supposed)…
How do you know HOW drunk he was? Were you there with a breathalizer? He spoke clearly and concisely in response to specific questions. Read through the comment thread. The signals given were numerous and clear.
To most viewers, international and Chinese combined, it was not rape, so relax. If you're watching a BL drama for cute/romantic, this one is about half that so you've been warned.
Do you even pay attention: They are STEP brothers and ten years apart in age.
By what measure is sex between unrelated brothers "incest?" That is the question I should have asked. Why do you watch BLs at all, in which step-brother sexual tropes and other racy material is common?
Rather, I'm more interested in the idea that from an artistic freedom and story-telling perspective, it doesn't matter whether or not rape was depicted here. It is the show-makers' right to tell whatever story they wish in whatever manner they choose to tell it. It is a legitimate function of art to push buttons and challenge assumptions. The artists are not obligated to tell stories that make viewers comfortable at all times and in all ways, because the audience member has the right and ability, at any time whatsoever, to stop watching the program and walk away. That is how art and the commerce surrounding it works.
To summarize my position:
This particular scenario was not rape.
If I'm wrong and it was, it doesn't matter.
Anyone traumatized or outraged by this content is free to stop watching.
Any attempt by those same people to seek to censor or shut down this program so that it will not be accessible to others, is dangerous and bullshit. Those persons should seek employment with the government of the People's Republic of China as censorship is one of the things they do best.