Some people are simply dead set against Eunwoo. He could give an Oscar worthy performance and they would still…
For many people, "acting" = "scene chewing".
The characterizations for all of the roles in the series were probably worked out over the course of several workshops, and were the result of collaboration between the entire ensemble and the director. It's not like Eunwoo just showed up on the first day of filming and made up the character on his own.
I get that it's annoying to wait 2 days for an episode that is only 10 minutes long but please be respectful to…
I'm respectful on the site and would never leave a comment there criticizing them. However, I myself have volunteered to work on translations of written material and I've always made people aware when I would be unexpectedly late in delivering the goods.
The lack of subs for two 10-minute episodes after three days is very unusual, and it doesn't help that there wasn't any word as to why. It would have been nice if the Channel Manager had acknowledged the delay and perhaps explained what was behind it. Instead there was only silence, and silence forces people like me to get frustrated and speculate.
Sometimes volunteers don't think the work is as important because they're not getting paid for it. That's the wrong attitude to take when you step up. I've also heard that Viki gives certain perks to volunteers although I've never looked into that.
Thanks to the slow subbers on Viki, after watching the latest episodes today I have only four days to wait for the final two. I'd be grateful, except they'll probably take three days to sub those as well.
Such short episodes too. Really annoying.
That said, I liked these latest two episodes a lot more. Things happened! In Soo has warmed up and showed some personality while Sang Yi is less skittish and shy. I'm starting to see their chemistry as a couple.
Hard to believe it will all be wrapped up next week!
It's always interesting to me to see someone respond negatively to a drama that I love. This one I felt was an…
Thank you, I think I understand where you're coming from.
I agree that Shun was very passive, underlined by his admission that he had never 'liked' anyone before, so he didn't even know what liking someone felt like. Nagisa, on the other hand, had already experienced that stuff and moved well beyond it. There was no way that Shun could have confessed to Nagisa first. If he had made any move toward Nagisa at all, I think I would have found it less believable.
In some ways it's possible that Shun's character was meant to be a study in passiveness. Of all the characters, he most embodies the title 'I didn't think I'd fall in love.' So any evolution of his nature would be subtle.
To begin with Nagisa's love was definitely one-sided. Shun's reply to Nagisa's confession confirms it. And even when Nagisa took him to his 'secret place' and asked him all those questions, Shun still didn't catch on.
(Ah, I can see what you mean now. That did bug me the first time I watched the series. I wondered how any teenager wouldn't understand what Nagisa was trying to say. I guess in subsequent viewings I've allowed that moment to pass without being as peeved.)
However, given the apparent decision by the director and screenwriter to make Shun a blank slate to start with, within the story it would require a push from others to get him to realize what he was feeling. (And, even after Hirahara explained to him what he was feeling about Nagisa, he wouldn't act on it and in fact deleted Nagisa's photos. I can see where that could frustrate a viewer. I myself was also taken aback by the photo deletions the first time I watched.)
What I liked about the attention paid to the girls was that it showed how they 'came of age' as well. The scene involving the drama class that Shun attended with Hirahara blew me away. As the two were required to speak the lines to each other, both of them came to their own turning points. Hirahara knew that she would never have Shun as a boyfriend, and Shun felt enough to ask the drama teacher the question about people who keep their true selves hidden. Deep inside he is beginning to change.
I could go on and on as well but I'll stop here. Thanks again for clarifying your thoughts!
I finally got to watch the official version on GagaOOLala, and with the higher resolution video I was able to see a tear that runs down Shun's cheek as he responds to Nagisa's confession.
In some ways it makes me consider the scene in a new light. I'd thought that Shun's response to Nagisa was sweet and emotional but I'd always felt that he was holding back somehow, compared to the courage that Nagisa showed by finally confessing.
The tear is not incredibly visible even on GagaOOLala cut, so it's not surprising that I missed it when watching (ahem) "other" cuts of the series.
This one was short and sweet. The storyline had a huge potential, with the actors having a seemingly great chemistry,…
It's always interesting to me to see someone respond negatively to a drama that I love. This one I felt was an instant classic, with not a moment wasted. Every scene revealed something new and pertinent about one of the three main characters.
Can you please tell which scenes you felt were unnecessary? One of the things I liked is that the drama has such a keen observational eye -- it captures so many 'in love' behaviors that I kept thinking: yes, that's how it goes.
Also, I wonder why you think the ending was forced and unnatural. As you can probably predict, I thought it was wonderful.
I think the only thing I didn't like about the series was that the m/f characters get to kiss but not the m/m. However, I guess when one has just confessed it would be too soon for that, especially in an Asian culture.
Jang Yoo Sang proves once more that he is a superb actor. This is a bleak film, and that's probably why the rating is low. Purely as a cinematic work it can hardly be faulted in any way.
Which part? I've read the whole book but I don't think I read something like that. The part where Itt is the uke,…
Chapter 104. This part:
"Itt leans towards him and Pai is ready. Using one hand behind his boyfriend’s neck he crushes their lips together. Pai touches, penetrates, and knows the person with him very intimately, and Itt responds to the touch with great joy."
people defend this show by saying "yes, homophobic people exist so what is wrong showing excerpts from real life?"…
You are the first person I've seen bring up politics as a reason to protest this series. I must have missed those comments.
What I see, and what I'm responding to, are people who think the series is promoting homophobia because it's treating it humorously and unrealistically. And I'm saying that the humor that they're so angry about is satire.
Maybe not every single minute of the series is satirical, but the main characters and supporting characters are each bigger than life in their own way. Not every Thai series is like that. 'In Family We Trust' comes to mind as a truly dramatic Thai series with no satirical content.
So, Ton is a satirical character. His behavior is overblown because one of things that satire does is exaggerate aspects of human nature in order to draw attention to them and, by doing that, comment on them.
Mel Brooks satirized Hitler. Monty Python satirized the Spanish Inquisition. Were either of those acts of humor politically dangerous, promoting fascism or religious zealotry in modern times? I don't think so.
For a similar reason I also don't think this series promotes homophobia. If there are indeed elements of Thai society or the global audience who think Ton is a role model then I'd say those people were probably hopeless to start with.
I agree with every word you say. GMMTV is on my bad side since a while now, and it's only getting worse. I put…
I don't need David Foster Wallace to tell me what satire is. Some satire is sophisticated and some is pretty dumb, like a Saturday Night Live skit. There's an audience to enjoy both, and if someone doesn't like one genre or another then they're free to stop subjecting themselves to it.
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The characterizations for all of the roles in the series were probably worked out over the course of several workshops, and were the result of collaboration between the entire ensemble and the director. It's not like Eunwoo just showed up on the first day of filming and made up the character on his own.
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If they did it, though, it would probably be a gigantic hit.
The lack of subs for two 10-minute episodes after three days is very unusual, and it doesn't help that there wasn't any word as to why. It would have been nice if the Channel Manager had acknowledged the delay and perhaps explained what was behind it. Instead there was only silence, and silence forces people like me to get frustrated and speculate.
Sometimes volunteers don't think the work is as important because they're not getting paid for it. That's the wrong attitude to take when you step up. I've also heard that Viki gives certain perks to volunteers although I've never looked into that.
I'm mainly looking forward to an official release of the series so that I can enjoy it in higher resolution.
I heard that an official subbed version of the series will eventually be released but I haven’t seen anything about that from a reliable source.
I love these unsung supporting players! It's like showing up at a party thinking you won't know anyone but then finding a friend there.
Such short episodes too. Really annoying.
That said, I liked these latest two episodes a lot more. Things happened! In Soo has warmed up and showed some personality while Sang Yi is less skittish and shy. I'm starting to see their chemistry as a couple.
Hard to believe it will all be wrapped up next week!
I agree that Shun was very passive, underlined by his admission that he had never 'liked' anyone before, so he didn't even know what liking someone felt like. Nagisa, on the other hand, had already experienced that stuff and moved well beyond it. There was no way that Shun could have confessed to Nagisa first. If he had made any move toward Nagisa at all, I think I would have found it less believable.
In some ways it's possible that Shun's character was meant to be a study in passiveness. Of all the characters, he most embodies the title 'I didn't think I'd fall in love.' So any evolution of his nature would be subtle.
To begin with Nagisa's love was definitely one-sided. Shun's reply to Nagisa's confession confirms it. And even when Nagisa took him to his 'secret place' and asked him all those questions, Shun still didn't catch on.
(Ah, I can see what you mean now. That did bug me the first time I watched the series. I wondered how any teenager wouldn't understand what Nagisa was trying to say. I guess in subsequent viewings I've allowed that moment to pass without being as peeved.)
However, given the apparent decision by the director and screenwriter to make Shun a blank slate to start with, within the story it would require a push from others to get him to realize what he was feeling. (And, even after Hirahara explained to him what he was feeling about Nagisa, he wouldn't act on it and in fact deleted Nagisa's photos. I can see where that could frustrate a viewer. I myself was also taken aback by the photo deletions the first time I watched.)
What I liked about the attention paid to the girls was that it showed how they 'came of age' as well. The scene involving the drama class that Shun attended with Hirahara blew me away. As the two were required to speak the lines to each other, both of them came to their own turning points. Hirahara knew that she would never have Shun as a boyfriend, and Shun felt enough to ask the drama teacher the question about people who keep their true selves hidden. Deep inside he is beginning to change.
I could go on and on as well but I'll stop here. Thanks again for clarifying your thoughts!
In some ways it makes me consider the scene in a new light. I'd thought that Shun's response to Nagisa was sweet and emotional but I'd always felt that he was holding back somehow, compared to the courage that Nagisa showed by finally confessing.
The tear is not incredibly visible even on GagaOOLala cut, so it's not surprising that I missed it when watching (ahem) "other" cuts of the series.
Can you please tell which scenes you felt were unnecessary? One of the things I liked is that the drama has such a keen observational eye -- it captures so many 'in love' behaviors that I kept thinking: yes, that's how it goes.
Also, I wonder why you think the ending was forced and unnatural. As you can probably predict, I thought it was wonderful.
I think the only thing I didn't like about the series was that the m/f characters get to kiss but not the m/m. However, I guess when one has just confessed it would be too soon for that, especially in an Asian culture.
"Itt leans towards him and Pai is ready. Using one hand behind his boyfriend’s neck he crushes their lips together. Pai touches, penetrates, and knows the person with him very intimately, and Itt responds to the touch with great joy."
That's Pai doing the penetrating. :)
Really nice OSTs too!
What I see, and what I'm responding to, are people who think the series is promoting homophobia because it's treating it humorously and unrealistically. And I'm saying that the humor that they're so angry about is satire.
Maybe not every single minute of the series is satirical, but the main characters and supporting characters are each bigger than life in their own way. Not every Thai series is like that. 'In Family We Trust' comes to mind as a truly dramatic Thai series with no satirical content.
So, Ton is a satirical character. His behavior is overblown because one of things that satire does is exaggerate aspects of human nature in order to draw attention to them and, by doing that, comment on them.
Mel Brooks satirized Hitler. Monty Python satirized the Spanish Inquisition. Were either of those acts of humor politically dangerous, promoting fascism or religious zealotry in modern times? I don't think so.
For a similar reason I also don't think this series promotes homophobia. If there are indeed elements of Thai society or the global audience who think Ton is a role model then I'd say those people were probably hopeless to start with.