Who thinks Boom was kinda overboard with her expectations especially with Earth. I get Tor can be a jerk sometimes…
She was way too hard on Tor and Earth.
In Tor's case, it's like Boom has never gotten over what she went through in Season 1. Tor has changed a lot and is trying to be a good boyfriend. It's bad enough that his own family never shuts up about how disappointed they are in him. Boom should be there to support him, but she is spending so much time with his family that she's starting to take on their attitude about him.
I fear that Boom will soon find out that Tor's brother is not the nice guy he appears to be.
Hi FreshKicks! :-)I agree with everything you say. But I have seen the same things differently. I have never been…
I think Bright's acting was fine before Sarawat and Tine became a couple. The stolen kiss during the Pocky game was done really well.
Once the two became a couple it was like things got more awkward between them. From there, a gifted director might have been able to coax Bright into being more comfortable despite his misgivings about BL. We'll just never really know what went on behind the scenes.
I would love to know if the decision to minimize their skinship was something Bright asked for, or if it was in the script because they wanted to run the series in other markets, possibly even in China. I suspect it's more of the latter. Bright wasn't a big star (yet), so I don't think they would have tolerated him making demands.
Also, that high-five at the end -- if it was not originated by the director, it was at least approved by him, as was every other missed opportunity for Sarawat and Tine to behave like real (and horny) boyfriends. This is why I think there was some sort of general decision to position '2gether' differently.
I think in some ways it might have also won more fans for Bright and Win. It's been said that a lot of the hetero fans of BL get uncomfortable when confronted with what it truly means for two men to be in love, i.e. that there's physical intimacy involved. Witness how many reviews and comments praise '2gether' for minimizing the sexual relationship, as though sex between two men is dirty.
In Episode 3, YSY got on my nerves bigtime. I hope he gets out of his puppy-dog phase soon. The constant gawking is annoying, and in the moments when he's not gawking he's looking either surprised or overwhelmed. (It's also very dumb of him to get on the bad side of his coworkers.)
Episode 4 was better. It actually moved the plot forward .. yay. And shirtless KIS was a nice treat. But the series overall still seems kinda flat to me.
This show feels like they are trying to put some difficult topics in a show with no research, I'm also sick of…
TharnType and Theory of Love are each attempting to create a plausible reality, which is why I think it's fair game to call them out for celebrating the awful behaviors that they depict.
This series doesn't offend me because I realize it's a satire. Hardly anything the characters do would be plausible in real life. For some reason, though, people really hate it for depicting homophobia without condemning it at every turn. The series is exaggerating it and making Tonhon look like a fool -- a fool who will eventually realize that he himself is in love with another man.
I hope GMMTV does *not* do what you hope for, which is to do away with satire. Not every series needs to be mature and realistic. As long as it's clear to me when they're satirizing something instead of celebrating it, I'm in.
If you're considering watching this show, and you haven't seen I Told Sunset About You, just watch ITSAY. The…
Tonhon's homophobia is *meant* to be unbelievable. The series is a satire. Satirical shows purposely exaggerate the people and behaviors they're targeting in order to make them look ridiculous.
Does anyone really think a gay couple could live with a homophobe for three years and he would never realize their relationship -- especially after walking in on them when they're both naked together in the shower? Of course not. But this is a satire, not a standard drama, so the gay couple keeps up the pretense and the homophobe is so dense that he never picks up on it.
For people to think the writers of this series believe that they're depicting a plausible living situation says more about them than the writers.
This series is also not in the same genre as ITSAY, which doesn't have any farcical elements to it. ITSAY is trying to tell a plausible story. They're both BLs but that's where the comparison ends.
I wouldn’t really agree, Chon has liked Ton since childhood, and it’s very likely that back then Ton was not…
This series is definitely a satire. That kind of humor doesn't appeal to everyone, as this comment section shows. Some people seem to think it's a documentary.
Irozuku Subs has a movie called 'L-DK: Two Lives Under One Roof', where Machida Keita (Kurosawa) has a supporting role. His character there is VERY different from Kurosawa. But the movie is not a BL.
It looks like maybe Cha Eun Woo's character Lee Su Ho will fall for the no-makeup Lim Joo Gyung while Han Seo Jun falls for the version wearing make-up. If so, there's lots of comedic potential there, with a possible moment of truth when both guys find out she's one and the same girl.
"This particularly bugs me because it casts a shadow over that beautiful scene where Saifah and Zon each pledge…
Because after that amazing moment, which was essentially an exchange of vows, for Zon to later decide that it was disgusting and that he never wanted to see Saifah again ... it would make all of it a sham.
Remember the tear that Zon shed as he said 'I will give myself to you only', and the emotional catch in his voice? That was unique to any BL I've seen. I would resent it if the writers stomped all over it like it was just another plot device.
Thank you for your well written review.According to what I understand from what you said, your questions would…
You are correct, I haven't cared enough to do any kind of survey, and even if I did I wouldn't know how to carry it out. I should probably update the review and take that part out, but it was how I felt at the time, so ...
As with other series that I disliked and then reviewed, once the review was done it got everything out of my system and I just moved on. Until your comment notification came along I hadn't given 'The Shipper' a thought in months.
As I look over the comments on its MDL page today I'm pleased that there have been very few in the four months since the series ended, and that many of those also cite the 'gays must die' twist as being particularly unsavory. I sincerely believe that this character death will always be the main thing 'The Shipper' is remembered for, when it gets remembered at all. Some people will bemoan it while others will defend it as part of the ironic comedy, or whatever.
As for the debate over what constitutes a BL, I've had people say all sorts of things about it. One person gave me a lecture about its origins in Japan or something like that. What I don't agree with is your statement that if 'The Shipper' isn't a BL then the points in my review are irrelevant.
If 'The Shipper' wasn't a BL then it was at least a satire on BL and its fans, and in a way that makes the killing off of half of its pseudo-BL couple even dumber. Making people sad or angry isn't the best way to win them over to one's ideas on a subject. It wouldn't have cost the writer or director anything to have the boys become a real couple at the end with everyone alive, and it would have given the series true rewatch value and a long and happy life. Now it will just be a footnote.
I thought the concept of Zol deleting the novel and Zon having to actually win over Saifah in real life was really clever. I'm disappointed that it was just a fake-out.
And after Zon is unbearably cruel to Saifah, he just shows up a couple of minutes later and says 'sorry', and everything is fine again? We get no explanation. I'm sorry, it's just bizarre. I'm all for emotional fluff but that strikes me as lazy screenwriting.
Also, Saifah tells Zon that he wants to do what they did at the beach again, so there goes the theory that these episodes take place before the trip to the beach with Fighter and Tutor. This particularly bugs me because it casts a shadow over that beautiful scene where Saifah and Zon each pledge their love to the other before having sex for the first time.
Finally, aside from the characters for the series the school seems completely deserted. I understand why, but it gives the mini-series a vibe like the whole thing could be a dream.
ep 5ugh... what a brutal rejection... just brutal... ugh... (not even gonna look up who those two were and how…
I like your analysis. I'm also intrigued by Padbok. There's a Korean actor named Hwang In Yeop who played the bully in '18 Again', and he has the same kind of interesting appearance that gives off a dangerous and sexy charisma. (He's also the SML in Cha Eun Woo's new drama 'True Beauty'.)
Watching those scene s with Padbok today it occurred to me again that the universe created by BL dramas just has boy after boy who will go after another boy without so much as a second thought -- even tough guys like Padbok (who has never been able to commit to a girl ... hmm.)
Hold up! I though that Tong (glasses boy) liked Pok (swimming boy)- I had to go and look up thier names. The way…
The relationship charts in the photo section show Tok and Pong with a "heart" connection so over the next few episodes I guess their situation will improve. I hope so.
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In Tor's case, it's like Boom has never gotten over what she went through in Season 1. Tor has changed a lot and is trying to be a good boyfriend. It's bad enough that his own family never shuts up about how disappointed they are in him. Boom should be there to support him, but she is spending so much time with his family that she's starting to take on their attitude about him.
I fear that Boom will soon find out that Tor's brother is not the nice guy he appears to be.
Once the two became a couple it was like things got more awkward between them. From there, a gifted director might have been able to coax Bright into being more comfortable despite his misgivings about BL. We'll just never really know what went on behind the scenes.
I would love to know if the decision to minimize their skinship was something Bright asked for, or if it was in the script because they wanted to run the series in other markets, possibly even in China. I suspect it's more of the latter. Bright wasn't a big star (yet), so I don't think they would have tolerated him making demands.
Also, that high-five at the end -- if it was not originated by the director, it was at least approved by him, as was every other missed opportunity for Sarawat and Tine to behave like real (and horny) boyfriends. This is why I think there was some sort of general decision to position '2gether' differently.
I think in some ways it might have also won more fans for Bright and Win. It's been said that a lot of the hetero fans of BL get uncomfortable when confronted with what it truly means for two men to be in love, i.e. that there's physical intimacy involved. Witness how many reviews and comments praise '2gether' for minimizing the sexual relationship, as though sex between two men is dirty.
Episode 4 was better. It actually moved the plot forward .. yay. And shirtless KIS was a nice treat. But the series overall still seems kinda flat to me.
They should make this like the Cdramas and give it 48 episodes lol.
This series doesn't offend me because I realize it's a satire. Hardly anything the characters do would be plausible in real life. For some reason, though, people really hate it for depicting homophobia without condemning it at every turn. The series is exaggerating it and making Tonhon look like a fool -- a fool who will eventually realize that he himself is in love with another man.
I hope GMMTV does *not* do what you hope for, which is to do away with satire. Not every series needs to be mature and realistic. As long as it's clear to me when they're satirizing something instead of celebrating it, I'm in.
Does anyone really think a gay couple could live with a homophobe for three years and he would never realize their relationship -- especially after walking in on them when they're both naked together in the shower? Of course not. But this is a satire, not a standard drama, so the gay couple keeps up the pretense and the homophobe is so dense that he never picks up on it.
For people to think the writers of this series believe that they're depicting a plausible living situation says more about them than the writers.
This series is also not in the same genre as ITSAY, which doesn't have any farcical elements to it. ITSAY is trying to tell a plausible story. They're both BLs but that's where the comparison ends.
As of Episode 2, count me in!
Remember the tear that Zon shed as he said 'I will give myself to you only', and the emotional catch in his voice? That was unique to any BL I've seen. I would resent it if the writers stomped all over it like it was just another plot device.
As with other series that I disliked and then reviewed, once the review was done it got everything out of my system and I just moved on. Until your comment notification came along I hadn't given 'The Shipper' a thought in months.
As I look over the comments on its MDL page today I'm pleased that there have been very few in the four months since the series ended, and that many of those also cite the 'gays must die' twist as being particularly unsavory. I sincerely believe that this character death will always be the main thing 'The Shipper' is remembered for, when it gets remembered at all. Some people will bemoan it while others will defend it as part of the ironic comedy, or whatever.
As for the debate over what constitutes a BL, I've had people say all sorts of things about it. One person gave me a lecture about its origins in Japan or something like that. What I don't agree with is your statement that if 'The Shipper' isn't a BL then the points in my review are irrelevant.
If 'The Shipper' wasn't a BL then it was at least a satire on BL and its fans, and in a way that makes the killing off of half of its pseudo-BL couple even dumber. Making people sad or angry isn't the best way to win them over to one's ideas on a subject. It wouldn't have cost the writer or director anything to have the boys become a real couple at the end with everyone alive, and it would have given the series true rewatch value and a long and happy life. Now it will just be a footnote.
And after Zon is unbearably cruel to Saifah, he just shows up a couple of minutes later and says 'sorry', and everything is fine again? We get no explanation. I'm sorry, it's just bizarre. I'm all for emotional fluff but that strikes me as lazy screenwriting.
Also, Saifah tells Zon that he wants to do what they did at the beach again, so there goes the theory that these episodes take place before the trip to the beach with Fighter and Tutor. This particularly bugs me because it casts a shadow over that beautiful scene where Saifah and Zon each pledge their love to the other before having sex for the first time.
Finally, aside from the characters for the series the school seems completely deserted. I understand why, but it gives the mini-series a vibe like the whole thing could be a dream.
Watching those scene s with Padbok today it occurred to me again that the universe created by BL dramas just has boy after boy who will go after another boy without so much as a second thought -- even tough guys like Padbok (who has never been able to commit to a girl ... hmm.)
But that was a brutal rejection. Damn.