Yea, I hate him for lying. He's staying in Tan's house and Tan has to work for both of them and what he does.…
I thought Oil's motivation was to get Tan to have dinner with his father and half-brother without Oil being there, and that Khun showed up unexpectedly.
I didn't get the impression that Oil was plotting to get Tan out of the house so he could hook up with Khun. Which means I should go back and rewatch that part.
If there is some kind Thai soul who would spoil the ending for me... I will be eternally grateful XD
I'm not a Thai soul (although I like to think of myself as kind) ... but I've seen a few videos on YouTube that claim to have spoilers for the series. I haven't watched any so I can't vouch for them, but they might have what you're looking for.
For the rating to drop so much shows that they still need to work on that algorithm.
Just looking at the comments here it's obvious that this series is touching people in a way that is extremely rare. Not many pages on MDL have such an outpouring of appreciation and positivity. There ought to be a way for the score to reflect that.
I should correct myself: they're not removing the dummy accounts, they're just eliminating them from the rating calculation.
I guess it would be pretty rude to delete an account for any reason except abuse. A lot of people signed up for this site because they wanted to express their feelings about ITSAY. That's the power of this series.
what happened to this masterpiece's rating while i was rewatching it? it drops from 9.5 to 9.1 so fast i-
The site has changed the algorithm for calculating the ratings and they've stopped including the ratings by accounts that were apparently created with the sole purpose of influencing the score. They have warned that we will see some of the scores change by as much as 0.5 in either direction.
I'm guessing that Sorn (the kid who got roughed up by the gang of toughs) is going to end up in a side couple with one of them ... and my guess would be the one who seems to be the leader, who slapped his friend in the back of the head. I think that's 'Tat'.
What an excellent start! It was cute how they worked that first kiss in there.
I watched Episode 1 on the WeTV site, but it seems the only way to purchase a VIP pass is through the mobile app, which Apple won't let me access due to my region. If anyone knows a way to buy VIP without the app please let me know.
The change in the algorithm has really thrown me off - I’m trying to compute how much my favourite dramas scores…
CORRECTION: They're not 'deleting' the accounts that appear to be created to influence the ratings -- they're changing the algorithm so it doesn't include them in the calculation.
(MY PREVIOUS WRONG COMMENT: The admin said they’re removing accounts that were created to sway the ratings in either direction.)
Damn, this page is a hotbed for haters, like you’ve got people constantly arguing in the comments about how…
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I've sensed a campaign to bring down the rating of this series. The fans (and perhaps the producers) of a certain other series are hellbent on making that one "the" Pinoy BL series of all time, so instead of forgetting about GSP as you suggest, they've become obsessed with it.
This episode was so sad... To see Solo suffering like that broke my heart... and when Kao showed up with the bunny…
That bunny facepaint and Phu's bunny-love confession put me over the moon. Phu's eyes said everything. I hope they will get at least one nice kiss between them before the end of the series.
But we didn't find out what happened in the meeting about the presentation topics. I want to see Linda fall flat on her face. I guess they're saving that for next week.
I was very excited at first when this was announced because finally, our boy JJ will finally have a main role…
Every one of your points is valid. It's a frustrating series because it added and changed so much from the original story. I'd hate for anyone to go away thinking that the series really tells the story of MGYG.
For example, Itt was supposed to have created the 'Mr. 950' persona because by the time he and Pai get to university, Pai is over his one-sided love and won't give Itt the time of day. Plus, that bizarre notion that Itt would bully Pai to make him stronger is completely invented by the series. Itt is supposed to be so in love with Pai that he goes to his knees in front of him when he confesses. (Would have loved to see *that* in the series!)
In case it's of interest I posted a synopsis of the book version of the story in the discussion section.
'Your Honor, the witness for the defense takes the stand.'
One of the key elements of comedy is exaggeration, and when it comes to satirical humor exaggeration is an absolute requirement. With satire, the features and behaviors of the subject are blown out of proportion and then stretched to an extent where they become both a distortion of reality and a commentary on it. Some examples: almost all political humor as well as most of the sketches on 'Saturday Night Live', plus the entirety of series such as 'Curb Your Enthusiasm', 'The Office', and 'Big Bang Theory'. These shows and hundreds of others depend on comedic exaggeration for their very existence.
This kind of broad humor tends not to be witty or clever, since wit and cleverness rely on subtlety to hit their mark. For some people this lack of subtlety makes satirical humor a non-starter from the get-go. And, even then, not every use of broad humor appeals to the people who like it. In my own case I'm aware that a lot of people worship The Three Stooges, but based on what I've seen of The Stooges I think they're pretty lame. Now, this doesn't mean that when they do stuff like bop each other on the head or pull each other's noses that I think they're promoting domestic violence. I can accept that it's another type of exaggerated humor. For me, though, it just isn't funny.
'Tonhon Chonlatee' is a satire. The main storyline is that Ton starts out as a homophobe and eventually realizes that he is not only bisexual (I assume he's bi, anyway) but also has feelings for Chon. Because this is a broad comedy and not a serious drama, along the way we can expect to see any number of homophobic behaviors trotted out in a way that emphasizes how ridiculous they are. In addition, Ton will be characterized as unnaturally blind to what's going on around him and to how 'gay' some of his own behavior is.
It seems some people think that this comedic emphasis on homophobia is the equivalent of condoning the homophobia. But I don't know how else a satirical comedy can point out the wrongness of anything, including homophobia, if it's not allowed to exaggerate it. Has homophobia caused so much pain in the past that it should never be satirized? Maybe that's where this series goes wrong for some people. But I have, in fact, seen a number of other extremely offensive or even dangerous attitudes that have also been subjected to satire. I imagine that the same people who object to 'Tonhon Chonlatee' would be as opposed to those humorous treatments as well.
This brings me to the scene in Episode Two where Ton brings Chon, Nhai, and Ai to the massage parlor.
Like me, I bet you've watched at least one program where this kind of situation is treated seriously. For example, a father who's concerned about his effeminate son decides to 'make him into a man' by arranging for him to hook up with a woman. In one such film that I remember, once the woman is alone with the boy she realizes the true nature of the situation and responds compassionately. The two of them end up talking through the night about his sexual identity, and the next morning she pretends for the father that they actually closed the deal, so to speak. What could have become a trauma for the boy instead becomes a transformative experience.
Such a film requires realism to achieve its impact. This means that you won't find any goofy moments between the boy and the woman where she's chasing him around the room in an attempt to get his clothes off, or grabbing his hands to make him touch her breasts.
However, such a scene could easily end up in a satirical version of that setup. And in a similar vein the massage parlor scene in 'Tonhon Chonlatee' is equally exaggerated. Yes, Ton is a brainless jerk to even consider this idea, and Nhai and Ai are fools to go along with Ton and do nothing to stop him from subjecting Chon to a 'dreaded' encounter with a female, but at no point is there any sense that Chon will be traumatized by the experience. More likely, the character will have put it all behind him by the next day. And this is because it's all a satire.
In real life it would be a different matter, of course.
I can also contrast this with a scene early in 'TharnType' where Tharn forces himself on Type in the shower. This is not a satirical moment, nor is the series itself intended as a broad comedy despite its funny scenes. Because of this, with 'TharnType' I can appreciate the amount of viewer outrage. The shower scene really does seem to condone sexual assault, and can even be said to celebrate it, since it's framed as a necessary step for Type in coming to terms with his attraction to Tharn.
In 'Tonhon Chonlatee' I know we're going to see several more of the familiar homophobic tropes, just as we can be sure that Chon will react with an absurd level of foolishness when he realizes that other guys are hitting on Chon.
We'll also see lots of exaggerated situations with Nhai and Ai. The first one has occurred already, in the first episode, after Ton opens the bathroom door to catch the two guys naked together. They scream in surprise and hug one another in a cartoonish manner while Ton merely acts puzzled over discovering them this way. It's one more satirical gesture intended to emphasize how Ton is blissfully unaware of the true nature of the people closest to him. Just because this lack of awareness is not being treated with the utmost seriousness doesn't mean it's being celebrated. Ton is meant to look ignorant, and the series does stretch this to a degree that stops being realistic, but that's because the series is a satire.
Like me and The Three Stooges, the humor in 'Tonhon Cholatee' will be unappealing to some. The level of anger being expressed surprises me, though. It might be that some of us just don't think homophobia is an appropriate subject for satire. To that I would say that it's possible that a satirical treatment might be the best way for some real life homophobes to recognize how stupid they look. Not everyone responds positively to a serious, finger-wagging lecture, as much as we might think they deserve one.
I believe the intention of the producers of 'Tonhon Cholatee' is not to exploit homophobia, but to expose it. This is one reason I support the show and will continue to enjoy watching it.
I did not understand it either until i read how Nadao productions hire their employees and how much they spend…
I wouldn't be surprised if more than half of the people commenting on this page watched a 'free' version of the series. *wink*wink*
They're probably also the ones who complain the most about the price of the official version, to rationalize their thievery. (I saw someone comment angrily that the studio was 'forcing' them to watch illegal versions by not making everything free.)
No one asks but here's the number of times I heard/saw the word "baby" in Gameboys (excluding the word babe)Not…
The series was apparently still in production while the earlier episodes were airing, allowing the studio to react to the audience's response and indulge in a little bit of fan service.
My guess is that they saw that most viewers thought it was cute that the guys always called each other "baby" and so they brought more of the same.
I would never have guessed at such a high number of times, though! When the count gets up to 59 times for a 40-minute episode, that's an average of once every 40 seconds.
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6 
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I didn't get the impression that Oil was plotting to get Tan out of the house so he could hook up with Khun. Which means I should go back and rewatch that part.
Just looking at the comments here it's obvious that this series is touching people in a way that is extremely rare. Not many pages on MDL have such an outpouring of appreciation and positivity. There ought to be a way for the score to reflect that.
I guess it would be pretty rude to delete an account for any reason except abuse. A lot of people signed up for this site because they wanted to express their feelings about ITSAY. That's the power of this series.
And both WeTV and Tencent recognize the VIP upgrade. Very cool!
I watched Episode 1 on the WeTV site, but it seems the only way to purchase a VIP pass is through the mobile app, which Apple won't let me access due to my region. If anyone knows a way to buy VIP without the app please let me know.
(MY PREVIOUS WRONG COMMENT: The admin said they’re removing accounts that were created to sway the ratings in either direction.)
I've sensed a campaign to bring down the rating of this series. The fans (and perhaps the producers) of a certain other series are hellbent on making that one "the" Pinoy BL series of all time, so instead of forgetting about GSP as you suggest, they've become obsessed with it.
Sandee .. what can I say .. the girl deserves to be roasted on a spit
What is the concept for Season Two? Reincarnation?
But we didn't find out what happened in the meeting about the presentation topics. I want to see Linda fall flat on her face. I guess they're saving that for next week.
For example, Itt was supposed to have created the 'Mr. 950' persona because by the time he and Pai get to university, Pai is over his one-sided love and won't give Itt the time of day. Plus, that bizarre notion that Itt would bully Pai to make him stronger is completely invented by the series. Itt is supposed to be so in love with Pai that he goes to his knees in front of him when he confesses. (Would have loved to see *that* in the series!)
In case it's of interest I posted a synopsis of the book version of the story in the discussion section.
'Your Honor, the witness for the defense takes the stand.'
One of the key elements of comedy is exaggeration, and when it comes to satirical humor exaggeration is an absolute requirement. With satire, the features and behaviors of the subject are blown out of proportion and then stretched to an extent where they become both a distortion of reality and a commentary on it. Some examples: almost all political humor as well as most of the sketches on 'Saturday Night Live', plus the entirety of series such as 'Curb Your Enthusiasm', 'The Office', and 'Big Bang Theory'. These shows and hundreds of others depend on comedic exaggeration for their very existence.
This kind of broad humor tends not to be witty or clever, since wit and cleverness rely on subtlety to hit their mark. For some people this lack of subtlety makes satirical humor a non-starter from the get-go. And, even then, not every use of broad humor appeals to the people who like it. In my own case I'm aware that a lot of people worship The Three Stooges, but based on what I've seen of The Stooges I think they're pretty lame. Now, this doesn't mean that when they do stuff like bop each other on the head or pull each other's noses that I think they're promoting domestic violence. I can accept that it's another type of exaggerated humor. For me, though, it just isn't funny.
'Tonhon Chonlatee' is a satire. The main storyline is that Ton starts out as a homophobe and eventually realizes that he is not only bisexual (I assume he's bi, anyway) but also has feelings for Chon. Because this is a broad comedy and not a serious drama, along the way we can expect to see any number of homophobic behaviors trotted out in a way that emphasizes how ridiculous they are. In addition, Ton will be characterized as unnaturally blind to what's going on around him and to how 'gay' some of his own behavior is.
It seems some people think that this comedic emphasis on homophobia is the equivalent of condoning the homophobia. But I don't know how else a satirical comedy can point out the wrongness of anything, including homophobia, if it's not allowed to exaggerate it. Has homophobia caused so much pain in the past that it should never be satirized? Maybe that's where this series goes wrong for some people. But I have, in fact, seen a number of other extremely offensive or even dangerous attitudes that have also been subjected to satire. I imagine that the same people who object to 'Tonhon Chonlatee' would be as opposed to those humorous treatments as well.
This brings me to the scene in Episode Two where Ton brings Chon, Nhai, and Ai to the massage parlor.
Like me, I bet you've watched at least one program where this kind of situation is treated seriously. For example, a father who's concerned about his effeminate son decides to 'make him into a man' by arranging for him to hook up with a woman. In one such film that I remember, once the woman is alone with the boy she realizes the true nature of the situation and responds compassionately. The two of them end up talking through the night about his sexual identity, and the next morning she pretends for the father that they actually closed the deal, so to speak. What could have become a trauma for the boy instead becomes a transformative experience.
Such a film requires realism to achieve its impact. This means that you won't find any goofy moments between the boy and the woman where she's chasing him around the room in an attempt to get his clothes off, or grabbing his hands to make him touch her breasts.
However, such a scene could easily end up in a satirical version of that setup. And in a similar vein the massage parlor scene in 'Tonhon Chonlatee' is equally exaggerated. Yes, Ton is a brainless jerk to even consider this idea, and Nhai and Ai are fools to go along with Ton and do nothing to stop him from subjecting Chon to a 'dreaded' encounter with a female, but at no point is there any sense that Chon will be traumatized by the experience. More likely, the character will have put it all behind him by the next day. And this is because it's all a satire.
In real life it would be a different matter, of course.
I can also contrast this with a scene early in 'TharnType' where Tharn forces himself on Type in the shower. This is not a satirical moment, nor is the series itself intended as a broad comedy despite its funny scenes. Because of this, with 'TharnType' I can appreciate the amount of viewer outrage. The shower scene really does seem to condone sexual assault, and can even be said to celebrate it, since it's framed as a necessary step for Type in coming to terms with his attraction to Tharn.
In 'Tonhon Chonlatee' I know we're going to see several more of the familiar homophobic tropes, just as we can be sure that Chon will react with an absurd level of foolishness when he realizes that other guys are hitting on Chon.
We'll also see lots of exaggerated situations with Nhai and Ai. The first one has occurred already, in the first episode, after Ton opens the bathroom door to catch the two guys naked together. They scream in surprise and hug one another in a cartoonish manner while Ton merely acts puzzled over discovering them this way. It's one more satirical gesture intended to emphasize how Ton is blissfully unaware of the true nature of the people closest to him. Just because this lack of awareness is not being treated with the utmost seriousness doesn't mean it's being celebrated. Ton is meant to look ignorant, and the series does stretch this to a degree that stops being realistic, but that's because the series is a satire.
Like me and The Three Stooges, the humor in 'Tonhon Cholatee' will be unappealing to some. The level of anger being expressed surprises me, though. It might be that some of us just don't think homophobia is an appropriate subject for satire. To that I would say that it's possible that a satirical treatment might be the best way for some real life homophobes to recognize how stupid they look. Not everyone responds positively to a serious, finger-wagging lecture, as much as we might think they deserve one.
I believe the intention of the producers of 'Tonhon Cholatee' is not to exploit homophobia, but to expose it. This is one reason I support the show and will continue to enjoy watching it.
They're probably also the ones who complain the most about the price of the official version, to rationalize their thievery. (I saw someone comment angrily that the studio was 'forcing' them to watch illegal versions by not making everything free.)
Cheap and shady people are the worst.
My guess is that they saw that most viewers thought it was cute that the guys always called each other "baby" and so they brought more of the same.
I would never have guessed at such a high number of times, though! When the count gets up to 59 times for a 40-minute episode, that's an average of once every 40 seconds.