For the people who are struggling with how XH and HR referred to HR as "my child," or "child," I wanted to offer…
It does exist in French, but as a very cheesy endearing address "mon bébé en sucre (mon adorable petit)..." All depends on context. In the drama, I found it appropriate and not in the least condescending & raising my hackles as the cheesy French might do in too sweet romances. Besides, a young lady is termed routinely as nvhai in Chinese. Even when she appears to be reaching 30! So yes, nothing untoward with the "you can remain my child as long as you want to", implying also that Xiao Han accepted by saying 'as long as", that He Ran might have to go, but might be able to come back if she so decided. Xiao Han was leaving freedom and the power to her in the relationship. She was so lucky to have found one who would do so, stay loyal to her whatever she did, and be charmed by her endearing bouts of selfishness and scorching jealousy when she would claim ownership.
If anyone is interested, I made an OST FMV of the main leads from this drama. Hope some of you will enjoy this…
You did it again! Your edit was spot-on, although centering on He Ran and Xiao Han only . Two songs from the drama: the most ear-worm ones ; you distilled it in tune. One small regret: you zapped the flower-boy painting with the triangular church? (I liked that one) But you've got an eye for just those frames and meaningful dialogues that are purest gems, with the exchange of glances, the scratch on Xiao Han's arm when He Ran falls, the cat, the fish, the colors of Xiao Han's skin paint... How to cut those frames with precision must have taken lots of time and thought. Noticing also the recent edits you did of dramas that I also watched with a smile since L&P : Hi Venus, Time and him, Meet Yourself... You are so busy pleasing us with those condensed souvenirs! Thank you again!
The end did not feel sad for me, but hmm I would also prefer a death while young and beautiful than protracted suffering, losing hair and no guarantee than new relapse will bring more suffering. He Ran has a short, but almost complete and happy life in this drama; managing to make lasting art, starting Xiao Han's daughter on a path for a future, teaching, winning a gorgeous man, having loyal friends, even a doting mom... Taking in lots of beauty and sensuality on the way. The only thing that is certain in life, is that it will end in death. Even if a swift death may be preferable, old age is not the less painful and swift end, so, I understand her choice of living a good life as long as it can last. The part at the end of the drama is, to me, very soothing and conveys a feeling of completeness. Be it in dreams or real afterlife. Xiao Han is left a widower, but he accepted that fate from the moment when he told Mr Han that he would never leave He Ran, so he had time to prepare his mind while giving to her all that she still needed, including impossible and unreasonable promises, because fulfilling them was less important than the love he gave in accepting to give them. I find this very touching and reassuring, that some people may think and act this way even inf it is fiction, instead of forcing unwinnable battles and imposing unbearable pity on the sufferer; like Han Yu unwittingly did several times. Of course He Ran is selfish. She has the right to be so, having no time for pleasant and polite nonsense. She wants what she wants. Xiao Han is puzzled for a long while because he can sense that she is unusual, not just ordinarily brazen and with no sensibility. He should have guessed earlier that he was dealing with a "sick betta", and perhaps he had, since he undertook to try and heal the fish that he purchased. Whatever: he had accepted to take charge of his new "child" as long as she wanted to stay as his child. But he also had stated and had everyone he told so accept that he would also give her a wedding. That was so sweet. The "bonus" collection is like more icing on the cake. A very nice drama. And in a way, we did get the 3 endings promised. So I am very satisfied, and not stingy about it, rating it 10. The nitpickers will probably keep it down below 9, but maybe they want a drama to conform to their norms. I am particularly glad when it is unusual and as beautiful, as well-made as this one. The music that some complained was too much replacing dialogues was doing exactly what it should, so this drama was to me a feast for the eyes, the ears and all the senses through imagination, together with an almost daoist message. Perfect.
That 24'44 minutes collection almost qualifies as bonus episode for speed watchers ! Is anything missing? Not much, perhaps. There are a lot of endearing collected BTS with bloopers there. Also plain BTS like the punching the watermelon to split it open (Jerry Yan does have strength in his hands and wrists! Shaolin kungfu practitioner used to splitting bricks perhaps? lol, I'd end up with a broken bone if I tried such a stunt!) ; lifting lady practice and playing games to kill time, learning the proper way to shampoo and do scalp massage ... Much more. But the title is a bit weird and there are no English subtitles. Anyway it was nice watching. Thanks for having spotted it and posted the link.
It’s his gentle and pure smile that makes him look so much younger than his age. Charming dimple too💖
Having previously done research into the MG/BOF/HYD phenomenon (watched them all +spinoffs etc ) and having more recently watched less than a handful dramas starring or including Jerry Yan does not in my opinion automatically qualify me to fan status.
But I will not be tepid in my view of the Forbidden Flower drama, which I like almost as much as I did the movies "In the mood for love" and "Lust, caution" which explored other difficult love stories with colors and music that resonate with the theme.
I suppose the cut in ep17 when she danced in firelight on his boot-tips was a mistake. There's no prohibition…
Actually to me the "ambiguous" xihuan ni translates as much as I Love You or I like you, depending on context in real life or stories. Wo ai ni feels more like I adore you, I love you madly, desperately, till the end of times. 520 or 521 in text messages have somewhat debased the weight and seriousness of those three words.
It’s his gentle and pure smile that makes him look so much younger than his age. Charming dimple too💖
Well, for many Jerry Yan was the ultimate and unchanging Daoming Si ? There are hints to MG in this drama and the director cum scriptwriter did make apparent her worship of Yan Chengxu in that role. So the throwback to the 1980-90s rock style haircut, the Woodstock style bandana, some of the dialogue (if apology was enough there'd be no need for police) all tie in with the beginning of Jerry Yan's career as actor. Age is important but love and talent transcend it. A young actor could in my opinion not have nailed that Xiao Han character. Even Wallace Chung (who also had a large age difference with co star in The Sword and The Brocade) might not have made it as skillfully as Jerry Yan. To me, as l re-watch episodes and chuckle when I discover double meanings and subtle references, in words, tunes, paint style, even nail art (so lovely to paint the Little Prince and his Only Rose on each lover's fingertips!!) and the symbolism of flowers, I am thoroughly enraptured by this one. Total 10 from me!!
thanks.Why did they delete the most romantic scenes? It does not contain excessive sexuality. just emotional..
Totally agree. Even in daily life, self-censorhip is also one way of avoiding trouble, like testing the waters more cautiously before voicing a whole line of thought or writing too candid views. Sometimes it is for self preservation (being too blunt or candid can be perceived as disrespectful to say the least, or outright stupid), sometimes it is in consideration of friends', lovers' or acquaintance's feelings for something one might not be in total agreement with. Hints may be left, and if there is common ground, and no risk for misunderstanding or strife, these will be brought to light a little like these delicious cut scenes, which contribute in the viral way. Uncovering secret thoughts this way can be like watching a flower go to full bloom and share the delight of colors, shapes and scents. Actually, isn't this drama very much about precisely such things?
She’s a force. That girl doesn’t play when it comes to other women going after her man. Remember how she handled…
stiletto heels and black card (even if borrowed then) yes: she can flaunt her power and wealth when she wants, even if she most of the time appears less flamboyant, in consideration of Xiao Han's apparent less affluent background.
Ok confused; they cut him saying “I love you” the first time around but in 23 it was ok; because he said it…
I suppose the cut in ep17 when she danced in firelight on his boot-tips was a mistake. There's no prohibition on voicing 520 in dramas, even though there are more of the "xihuan ni" versions.
It caused some problems for Xu Weizhou and Huang Jinyu (aka Timmy and Johnny) at the time, despite making them famous; I did not watch it because the subject looked too toxic for my taste at the time and anyway it was cut short before end. I'm still procrastinating to watch it. Despite my liking Xu Weizhou's music. He's done awesome concerts, including I think the If by the Sea theme song he wrote for that webdrama. Sample here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-JtQw18yGI I was also impressed at his daring to set a new catchy 2020s tune to the Snow poem by Mao Zedong. Of course, that was also to showcase his being one ambassador for China's 2022 Winter Olympics; the "traditional" tune and Xu Weizhou's "renewed" version are both on this recording, if you are curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-HM9JzUWNk&t=67s
The Twinbed tune is originally from the excellent 2014 US movie In Your Eyes, if I am not mistaken. It's in the beginning of this trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaG8B9GVwys Twinbed are:Nate Campany / Ben Romans
and now we wait an eon for last episodes! 😂wait. Did you already watch 22 ????? It's to be released on Monday?Have…
It doesn't matter much, but it might have been better if you'd put it like 'it's going to feel like I'll have waited" etc because as it stands, the sentence implies you were done waiting at time of posting, hence my half-puzzled reaction (in case you indeed were privy to what we ordinary audience were not). 😉 (Ok, I'm a nitpicker. Feel free to pick on me when I next assemble a fault(y) line to fall into the abyss.) Me, it will indeed feel like eons went by before I catch those final episodes, because I likely will not be able to watch simultaneously with airing, this week. And have even less time then to read this lively comment section, and enjoy the juicy cut scenes 😣
How come nobody told me Jerry Yan 🔥 had a new drama?! 😄 Now I have to speed-watch this to catch up LoL 😘💞
Take your time: final 3 episodes to be released on Monday-Tuesday. So clocking in 2x7 hrs should do it to catch up. If you can bear to skip intro and outro songs -and sometimes fast forward the annoying mom's story, you might even make it in less. But if you want the full experience, add time to watch the collected unedited-cut-scenes here: https://kisskh.at/discussions/xia-hua/88355-unedited-cut-scenes
found an updated playlist with the songs:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5xc8xyzIxg&ab_channel=Sarann%5BM%5D
This playlist is missing two songs that are also not any more audible in the longer collection linked below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsPdXeF3Lcg ( but in that one, there are links in description to missing Trouble I'm In by Twinbed, and Half-Time of Heart (although it's mistakenly the mandarin version, not the original Cantonese one by Grasshopper)
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Besides, a young lady is termed routinely as nvhai in Chinese. Even when she appears to be reaching 30! So yes, nothing untoward with the "you can remain my child as long as you want to", implying also that Xiao Han accepted by saying 'as long as", that He Ran might have to go, but might be able to come back if she so decided. Xiao Han was leaving freedom and the power to her in the relationship. She was so lucky to have found one who would do so, stay loyal to her whatever she did, and be charmed by her endearing bouts of selfishness and scorching jealousy when she would claim ownership.
Two songs from the drama: the most ear-worm ones ; you distilled it in tune.
One small regret: you zapped the flower-boy painting with the triangular church? (I liked that one)
But you've got an eye for just those frames and meaningful dialogues that are purest gems, with the exchange of glances, the scratch on Xiao Han's arm when He Ran falls, the cat, the fish, the colors of Xiao Han's skin paint...
How to cut those frames with precision must have taken lots of time and thought.
Noticing also the recent edits you did of dramas that I also watched with a smile since L&P : Hi Venus, Time and him, Meet Yourself... You are so busy pleasing us with those condensed souvenirs!
Thank you again!
He Ran has a short, but almost complete and happy life in this drama; managing to make lasting art, starting Xiao Han's daughter on a path for a future, teaching, winning a gorgeous man, having loyal friends, even a doting mom... Taking in lots of beauty and sensuality on the way.
The only thing that is certain in life, is that it will end in death. Even if a swift death may be preferable, old age is not the less painful and swift end, so, I understand her choice of living a good life as long as it can last.
The part at the end of the drama is, to me, very soothing and conveys a feeling of completeness. Be it in dreams or real afterlife.
Xiao Han is left a widower, but he accepted that fate from the moment when he told Mr Han that he would never leave He Ran, so he had time to prepare his mind while giving to her all that she still needed, including impossible and unreasonable promises, because fulfilling them was less important than the love he gave in accepting to give them. I find this very touching and reassuring, that some people may think and act this way even inf it is fiction, instead of forcing unwinnable battles and imposing unbearable pity on the sufferer; like Han Yu unwittingly did several times.
Of course He Ran is selfish. She has the right to be so, having no time for pleasant and polite nonsense. She wants what she wants. Xiao Han is puzzled for a long while because he can sense that she is unusual, not just ordinarily brazen and with no sensibility. He should have guessed earlier that he was dealing with a "sick betta", and perhaps he had, since he undertook to try and heal the fish that he purchased. Whatever: he had accepted to take charge of his new "child" as long as she wanted to stay as his child.
But he also had stated and had everyone he told so accept that he would also give her a wedding. That was so sweet.
The "bonus" collection is like more icing on the cake. A very nice drama. And in a way, we did get the 3 endings promised. So I am very satisfied, and not stingy about it, rating it 10. The nitpickers will probably keep it down below 9, but maybe they want a drama to conform to their norms. I am particularly glad when it is unusual and as beautiful, as well-made as this one. The music that some complained was too much replacing dialogues was doing exactly what it should, so this drama was to me a feast for the eyes, the ears and all the senses through imagination, together with an almost daoist message. Perfect.
But the title is a bit weird and there are no English subtitles.
Anyway it was nice watching. Thanks for having spotted it and posted the link.
But I will not be tepid in my view of the Forbidden Flower drama, which I like almost as much as I did the movies "In the mood for love" and "Lust, caution" which explored other difficult love stories with colors and music that resonate with the theme.
Wo ai ni feels more like I adore you, I love you madly, desperately, till the end of times. 520 or 521 in text messages have somewhat debased the weight and seriousness of those three words.
There are hints to MG in this drama and the director cum scriptwriter did make apparent her worship of Yan Chengxu in that role. So the throwback to the 1980-90s rock style haircut, the Woodstock style bandana, some of the dialogue (if apology was enough there'd be no need for police) all tie in with the beginning of Jerry Yan's career as actor.
Age is important but love and talent transcend it. A young actor could in my opinion not have nailed that Xiao Han character. Even Wallace Chung (who also had a large age difference with co star in The Sword and The Brocade) might not have made it as skillfully as Jerry Yan.
To me, as l re-watch episodes and chuckle when I discover double meanings and subtle references, in words, tunes, paint style, even nail art (so lovely to paint the Little Prince and his Only Rose on each lover's fingertips!!) and the symbolism of flowers, I am thoroughly enraptured by this one.
Total 10 from me!!
Even in daily life, self-censorhip is also one way of avoiding trouble, like testing the waters more cautiously before voicing a whole line of thought or writing too candid views.
Sometimes it is for self preservation (being too blunt or candid can be perceived as disrespectful to say the least, or outright stupid), sometimes it is in consideration of friends', lovers' or acquaintance's feelings for something one might not be in total agreement with.
Hints may be left, and if there is common ground, and no risk for misunderstanding or strife, these will be brought to light a little like these delicious cut scenes, which contribute in the viral way.
Uncovering secret thoughts this way can be like watching a flower go to full bloom and share the delight of colors, shapes and scents.
Actually, isn't this drama very much about precisely such things?
There's no prohibition on voicing 520 in dramas, even though there are more of the "xihuan ni" versions.
Enjoy alan dawa dolma singing a tribute to her home 美人谷 here (with footage of the place):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5cAjJ28wcA
For more QingZang vibes, also try that one (one of my favorite alan songs) with beautiful landscapes : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYgJWeg__08 in addition to the classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJfCI3FL9WI (Tibetan plateau) and the almost classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY2QK_r6o2A (Heaven's Road)
It caused some problems for Xu Weizhou and Huang Jinyu (aka Timmy and Johnny) at the time, despite making them famous; I did not watch it because the subject looked too toxic for my taste at the time and anyway it was cut short before end. I'm still procrastinating to watch it. Despite my liking Xu Weizhou's music.
He's done awesome concerts, including I think the If by the Sea theme song he wrote for that webdrama. Sample here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-JtQw18yGI
I was also impressed at his daring to set a new catchy 2020s tune to the Snow poem by Mao Zedong. Of course, that was also to showcase his being one ambassador for China's 2022 Winter Olympics; the "traditional" tune and Xu Weizhou's "renewed" version are both on this recording, if you are curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-HM9JzUWNk&t=67s
The Twinbed tune is originally from the excellent 2014 US movie In Your Eyes, if I am not mistaken. It's in the beginning of this trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaG8B9GVwys
Twinbed are:Nate Campany / Ben Romans
(Ok, I'm a nitpicker. Feel free to pick on me when I next assemble a fault(y) line to fall into the abyss.)
Me, it will indeed feel like eons went by before I catch those final episodes, because I likely will not be able to watch simultaneously with airing, this week. And have even less time then to read this lively comment section, and enjoy the juicy cut scenes 😣
https://kisskh.at/discussions/xia-hua/88355-unedited-cut-scenes
wait. Did you already watch 22 ????? It's to be released on Monday?
Have you got a time machine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsPdXeF3Lcg
( but in that one, there are links in description to missing Trouble I'm In by Twinbed, and Half-Time of Heart (although it's mistakenly the mandarin version, not the original Cantonese one by Grasshopper)