I think you are missing the point. *** These 3 women are equally guilty as their "bad men" for having ruined marriages and relationships ****
One married woman focuses on being 100% mom and 0% hot lover and wife, and seems like her husband is not very keen on being a dad, and they NEVER communicate - so yeah, her husband will surely turn to some kind of cheating or divorce her asap - he is healthy and naturally wants sex - so it is the fault of both of them never to put effort into their marriage and let it die by rotting away - in front of their kids, throwing their kids under the bus. The kids are suffering in a disfunctional toxic family where they are overdependent on their mother, neglected by their father, and quite spoiled and unruly
one married woman focuses on commanding her husband to do as she wants - SHE wants a child, NOW!!!!! - scolding and beating her husband as if he were a small clumzy nasty retarded child. That dude is forced to seek places where he can feel like an adult man in charge of his life, powerful and determined. Yeah she is driving him into cheating and perv. If he was gay to begin with, ... that's another issue. Obviously they had satisfactory love life before otherwise they wouldnt be married, so what happened... ? Clearly, lack of communication and effort to keep the marriage alive.
and the single woman chases a gigolo for good sex and puts up with a man who just uses her for money and looks at her with a disgusting look like he is eating a frog alive. But she does not care bc he fuc** her. So she is using him like a sex toy, in total disregard for HIM and also for her own feelings. She is paying a male prostitute and lives like that for 3 years. She pays the money and that is like pressing the ON button on a robot, he is supposed to perform. They both know it is what it is and the deal is that they never talk about it. They agreed to live in a lie.
THE WOMEN MADE MISTAKES AND MISHANDLED THEIR MEN FOR YEARS. If they also picked the wrong guy to begin with, it is beyond repair.... The single one clearly picked the wrong man to begin with and must let go asap - and she was lucky to already find Mr. Right.... and the married ones might have picked wrong men to begin with too.
We will see if they picked the wrong husbands and if it is salvegeable or not. Does not seem like salvegeable to me :) The perv is too far out and his wife is too rigid, and the cheating husband is just too nasty, actively nasty and his wife wants to fly and CAN fly. My prediction is that both marriages must disolve before all parties just rot away, it is like cutting a very very very infected wound so that healing can take place. It is like throwing away your fancy expnsive shoes because no matter what you do, you get blisters from them. Give them away to someone else who can wear them well... and get yourself a new pair. Pick more wisely this time...
Honestly there’s one thing that I really don’t like so far, I really hoped that they’re going to have that…
I think you are missing the point. *** These 3 women are equally guilty as their men for having ruined marriages and relationships **** One focuses on being 100% mom and 0% hot lover wife, one focuses on scolding and beating her husband as if he were a small clumzy nasty retarded child; and third one chases a gigolo for good sex. THE WOMEN MADE MISTAKES AND MISHANDLED THEIR MEN
Ill ra new interest is in her age group but he is hella ugly compared to the young one 😭 as a fellow shallow…
well... if you really want to focus on the physical - you dont make love with the face but with body... and the older one is super buff... He has bigger shoulders and back than the young one :) and thus will have a stronger performance :)
Also, you fall in love with what is ON that face, like smile and warm eyes, and the older guy got it... That young guy's face was just a blah nauseating look bc he totally hated his woman and had the face of someone forced to eat a frog..... so looking at him was majorly unpleasant.
I think looking at the older guys's face totally adoring you and being there to help you and care for you, and then looking at his broad shoulders, would be a lot more fun, dont you think?
But you know, the brain is the biggest sex organ, so no matter how "ugly" a person is, when they smile at you and are nice to you and love you genuinely and make you feel like a million, you gonna love that face and that look. Esp if it comes on a nice body ;) Anyone with kind eyes and a big happy smile is handsome, remember that...
he is gay, perv or cheating. Also, she treats him like a stern teacher and/or small child and even beats him up,…
is that a Korean custom too.... ? based on your culture expert comments.... In most cultures of the developed world, the woman would not get a sub but would divorce the guy asap - well, maybe not if he was very rich LOL and/or if they are Catholic.... Italians, French commonly have side gigs, it is normal... Protestant world frowns upon side gigs and divorce is more acceptable, especially in a consumer society like in the USA.... ppl do not have the patience to be married to th wrong person LOL
the crown prince... in the preview, when he discovered his new body, he was very upset that it was body of some low person... He is definitelly a snotty arrogant royal, thinking he is somehow "better"... Also, he showed his disdain for women... when he saw that he lost his thingie... that too was somehow "lower" than his old male self .....
I’ll play devils advocate. She’s overwhelmed, and as the sole parent of her kids, she has to pick and choose…
I do not think that korean moms sleep with the kids and never sleep with the husband. I think they must put th kids to sleep but they eventually go to bed to their husband. Even if they had a crib in the parent's room, the wife would sleep in the bed with the husband.
THE ISSUE IN THIS DRAMA IS THAT THE WIFE NEVER EVER SLEEPS IN THE SAME BED WITH HER HUSBAND. SHE INTENTIONALLY AVOIDS SHARING THE BED WITH HER HUSBAND. THAT IS WHAT MY POST IS ALL ABOUT.
She could put kids to sleep and then go back to sharing bed to sleep with her husband. But she does NOT do that.
Also, you are implicitly going into this whole nagging and ridiculous shaming of different cultures, with a total disregard of my post. First of all, I think this drama shows that the kids have a separate room.
So why dont you watch the drama. The mom sleeps on the floor with the 2 kids and the husband went away to sleep somewhere else. He was NOT in that small room with the kids and the mom.
In other words: Those 2 kids do sleep in a separate room and the mom sleeps there with them. The husband sleeps in another room.
That is what I saw. If you saw them all sleeping in the same room, show me which minute of which episode proves that.
Do NOT make it up that mom dad and kids all sleep in the same room and then go on a rage about being harassed for your culture.
----FYI ---- And the discussion about kids having a separate room is another topic to be discussed in another post. I am well aware of the issues and I agree that it is better that the whole family sleep in one room while the kids are small. In fact, small babies should sleep in the same bed as the parents. BUT THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE DISCUSSED IN MY POST.
This drama shows a Korean family with a separate room for the kids, just like in the USA. It is terrifying for the kids, indeed. So why are Koreans switching to that too? Total westernization of your culture, or just kissing up to the american audience to watch this drama? You may discuss that in another post. Open a new post to discuss what YOU want to discuss. My post is something else.
My post is about this particular husband and wife being ESTRANGED and one strategy they use is to never ever share the bed to even sleep in. I am not even talking about lovemaking, I am talking about just sleeping. They do not even share the same bed to spend the night in sleep. THE HUSBAND AND WIFE HAVE NOT HAD ANY PHYSICAL CONTACT FOR YEARS. And yeah bc of it, the kids are both neglected and spoiled. And yeah this is common. That's my point and that is what I wanted to discuss in my post, to agree with the person who said that the kids are spoiled and to point out why.
Ok all this plot of "while the cat is away, th mice get to play" is necessary to show us the true colors of everyone as MDS is hidden away... I am also suspecting MDS actor must be really expensive or filming something else/busy with something, bc he is on the back burner.... and TJ appeared :) and SJ is carrying the plot. SJ actor is really good at it. But .. MDS needs to reappear somehow STELLA IS A MURDERER AND THE SAME KIND AS MDS WAS - plotting to kill him bc it is in her interest. ***Stella's stonishing egotism.... she set on the revenge for the same things SHE does*** She set on revenge against MDS bc he kills, yet SHE PLANS TO KILL... She is the same egotistical murderer kind...
GC is nothing without a hounddog and/or a master... She is a pion to Stella and cannot even check a marriage certificate... Interesting how her power is just thin air... Oldest son and his wife are mentally underdeveloped, so how can Pan Sul family even think he will be a director... Manager Gong is not GC's mother, seems like .... Concubine daughter is the steady worker and seems like a great asset to Mingang. Yeah she is a calculated politician but everyone in her job would be, and she is not all that nasty, she only tries to oust GC and that is to be expected, since GC keeps trying to oust her
using a kdrama way ... seri and lucia will be together !! end of story
Se Ri was saying a lot how she feels bad that Mi So died bc of her. She said that MANY times - to Manager Gong, I think, and I think even to lucia too? I do not remember who she was speaking to but I do remember she kept repeating it, saying the misfortune fell to Mins bc of what she did. I think sh can say that to Lucia easily bc that is how she honestly feels. Se Ri changed thanks to Lucia's "love". The WORST thing that could happen and destroy SeRi is to discover that all Lucia's love was just a lie
So Lucia needs to step up to the plate and accept Se Ri for real Esp bc when all this mess ends, Se Ri will be going with Lucia ....
as KC will be going to prison or mental ward or into "exile". МDS will probably have another attack and die for real, or end up in jail for murder. It is likely that Lucia will be leading Mingang - will she sell it and retire or keep running it?
on anoher note I am wondering how good of a job Lucia is doing leading Mingang. Is she a good Chairperson?
using a kdrama way ... seri and lucia will be together !! end of story
Hm, I think that is THE way :) bc it is right. SeRi has been a good daughter to Lucia and has mostly redeemed herself with some good care. She will be punished for her past misdeed, sure. My post was addressing the fact that Lucia is not ready yet.
At this point, Lucia is not ready to accept Se Ri as her SECOND daughter. Lucia still lies to Se Ri and cusses her under her breath.... hugging her and cussing her...
So what has to happen to Lucia to make her get her where she needs to be? As an epitome of a MOTHER
yes, end of ep4. A real doozy of a bodyswap, over the top, actually.
Funny, how I thought it was super well done so artsy and dramatically romantic and .... comical LOL we now know th true thoughts of that snotty arrogant prince :)
Sure I trust you :) I do not watch cdramas so I have no idea who that is. But yeah, if an actor has no clue and is next to a good one, it is even worse...
This drama is an amazing rom com. It is totally comical in so many ways It is also a thriller.
And very artsy. The scene of those lights falling into water was amazing.
I still dont understand why the old man said they should never meet again, and what the purpose is of swapping them. But now we know the true thoughts of the snotty arrogant royal LOL Serves him well :)
Imagine you find out the hard way that your lovely pretty lover is a CRAZY BLOOD THIRSTING PSYCHO KILLER and the daughter of the greatest of them all crazy blood thursty psycho MASS SERIAL killer - and the anaconda would not let go of you... clinging... stuck... killing left and right... ouch
That man is probably wodnering how the heck he never saw it before...
Excuse me who said there was an excuse for his cheating? Dont make stuff up. We did not even address that issue here.
So to address that issue: her husband too killed the marriage. They are accomplices in killing the marriage. Her husband is equally responsible for lack of communication btween them and killing of the marriage, and then his cheating and putting her down, mistreating her and now tripping her And it is her fault never to address that with him and take action to protect herself, the kids and ultimately the marriage - she gave up on the marriage too!!!! in a more passive agressive way - like, sleeping with the kids... So yeah, i I were him, I would go out and cheat too.
She and her husband are equally guilty of killing their marriage. Her method of killing it just looks more socially acceptable
Oh seems my review nailed it :) Thanks for the positive confirmation, Satan :)
you are not the sharpest tool in the box, are you... I put you down using sarcasm and playing with words. and you did not even notice. So bye bye. Do not read stuff that is over your head.
Yeah!!!! The marriage is dead and therefore the kids are the casualty of that war.
the kids do not have TWO parents as the husband and wife are just two enemies who live in the same apartment. Just think what this is doing to the kids.
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One married woman focuses on being 100% mom and 0% hot lover and wife, and seems like her husband is not very keen on being a dad, and they NEVER communicate - so yeah, her husband will surely turn to some kind of cheating or divorce her asap - he is healthy and naturally wants sex
- so it is the fault of both of them never to put effort into their marriage and let it die by rotting away - in front of their kids, throwing their kids under the bus. The kids are suffering in a disfunctional toxic family where they are overdependent on their mother, neglected by their father, and quite spoiled and unruly
one married woman focuses on commanding her husband to do as she wants - SHE wants a child, NOW!!!!! - scolding and beating her husband as if he were a small clumzy nasty retarded child. That dude is forced to seek places where he can feel like an adult man in charge of his life, powerful and determined. Yeah she is driving him into cheating and perv. If he was gay to begin with, ... that's another issue. Obviously they had satisfactory love life before otherwise they wouldnt be married, so what happened... ? Clearly, lack of communication and effort to keep the marriage alive.
and the single woman chases a gigolo for good sex and puts up with a man who just uses her for money and looks at her with a disgusting look like he is eating a frog alive. But she does not care bc he fuc** her. So she is using him like a sex toy, in total disregard for HIM and also for her own feelings. She is paying a male prostitute and lives like that for 3 years. She pays the money and that is like pressing the ON button on a robot, he is supposed to perform. They both know it is what it is and the deal is that they never talk about it. They agreed to live in a lie.
THE WOMEN MADE MISTAKES AND MISHANDLED THEIR MEN FOR YEARS. If they also picked the wrong guy to begin with, it is beyond repair.... The single one clearly picked the wrong man to begin with and must let go asap - and she was lucky to already find Mr. Right.... and the married ones might have picked wrong men to begin with too.
We will see if they picked the wrong husbands and if it is salvegeable or not. Does not seem like salvegeable to me :) The perv is too far out and his wife is too rigid, and the cheating husband is just too nasty, actively nasty and his wife wants to fly and CAN fly. My prediction is that both marriages must disolve before all parties just rot away, it is like cutting a very very very infected wound so that healing can take place. It is like throwing away your fancy expnsive shoes because no matter what you do, you get blisters from them. Give them away to someone else who can wear them well... and get yourself a new pair. Pick more wisely this time...
THE WOMEN MADE MISTAKES AND MISHANDLED THEIR MEN
Also, you fall in love with what is ON that face, like smile and warm eyes, and the older guy got it...
That young guy's face was just a blah nauseating look bc he totally hated his woman and had the face of someone forced to eat a frog..... so looking at him was majorly unpleasant.
I think looking at the older guys's face totally adoring you and being there to help you and care for you, and then looking at his broad shoulders, would be a lot more fun, dont you think?
But you know, the brain is the biggest sex organ, so no matter how "ugly" a person is, when they smile at you and are nice to you and love you genuinely and make you feel like a million, you gonna love that face and that look. Esp if it comes on a nice body ;)
Anyone with kind eyes and a big happy smile is handsome, remember that...
In most cultures of the developed world, the woman would not get a sub but would divorce the guy asap - well, maybe not if he was very rich LOL and/or if they are Catholic.... Italians, French commonly have side gigs, it is normal... Protestant world frowns upon side gigs and divorce is more acceptable, especially in a consumer society like in the USA.... ppl do not have the patience to be married to th wrong person LOL
THE ISSUE IN THIS DRAMA IS THAT THE WIFE NEVER EVER SLEEPS IN THE SAME BED WITH HER HUSBAND.
SHE INTENTIONALLY AVOIDS SHARING THE BED WITH HER HUSBAND. THAT IS WHAT MY POST IS ALL ABOUT.
She could put kids to sleep and then go back to sharing bed to sleep with her husband. But she does NOT do that.
Also, you are implicitly going into this whole nagging and ridiculous shaming of different cultures, with a total disregard of my post. First of all, I think this drama shows that the kids have a separate room.
So why dont you watch the drama. The mom sleeps on the floor with the 2 kids and the husband went away to sleep somewhere else. He was NOT in that small room with the kids and the mom.
In other words: Those 2 kids do sleep in a separate room and the mom sleeps there with them.
The husband sleeps in another room.
That is what I saw. If you saw them all sleeping in the same room, show me which minute of which episode proves that.
Do NOT make it up that mom dad and kids all sleep in the same room and then go on a rage about being harassed for your culture.
----FYI ----
And the discussion about kids having a separate room is another topic to be discussed in another post. I am well aware of the issues and I agree that it is better that the whole family sleep in one room while the kids are small. In fact, small babies should sleep in the same bed as the parents. BUT THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE DISCUSSED IN MY POST.
This drama shows a Korean family with a separate room for the kids, just like in the USA. It is terrifying for the kids, indeed. So why are Koreans switching to that too? Total westernization of your culture, or just kissing up to the american audience to watch this drama? You may discuss that in another post. Open a new post to discuss what YOU want to discuss. My post is something else.
My post is about this particular husband and wife being ESTRANGED and one strategy they use is to never ever share the bed to even sleep in. I am not even talking about lovemaking, I am talking about just sleeping. They do not even share the same bed to spend the night in sleep.
THE HUSBAND AND WIFE HAVE NOT HAD ANY PHYSICAL CONTACT FOR YEARS. And yeah bc of it, the kids are both neglected and spoiled. And yeah this is common. That's my point and that is what I wanted to discuss in my post, to agree with the person who said that the kids are spoiled and to point out why.
I am also suspecting MDS actor must be really expensive or filming something else/busy with something, bc he is on the back burner.... and TJ appeared :) and SJ is carrying the plot. SJ actor is really good at it. But .. MDS needs to reappear somehow
STELLA IS A MURDERER AND THE SAME KIND AS MDS WAS - plotting to kill him bc it is in her interest. ***Stella's stonishing egotism.... she set on the revenge for the same things SHE does*** She set on revenge against MDS bc he kills, yet SHE PLANS TO KILL... She is the same egotistical murderer kind...
GC is nothing without a hounddog and/or a master... She is a pion to Stella and cannot even check a marriage certificate... Interesting how her power is just thin air...
Oldest son and his wife are mentally underdeveloped, so how can Pan Sul family even think he will be a director...
Manager Gong is not GC's mother, seems like ....
Concubine daughter is the steady worker and seems like a great asset to Mingang. Yeah she is a calculated politician but everyone in her job would be, and she is not all that nasty, she only tries to oust GC and that is to be expected, since GC keeps trying to oust her
I think sh can say that to Lucia easily bc that is how she honestly feels. Se Ri changed thanks to Lucia's "love".
The WORST thing that could happen and destroy SeRi is to discover that all Lucia's love was just a lie
So Lucia needs to step up to the plate and accept Se Ri for real
Esp bc when all this mess ends, Se Ri will be going with Lucia ....
as KC will be going to prison or mental ward or into "exile". МDS will probably have another attack and die for real, or end up in jail for murder. It is likely that Lucia will be leading Mingang - will she sell it and retire or keep running it?
on anoher note I am wondering how good of a job Lucia is doing leading Mingang. Is she a good Chairperson?
My post was addressing the fact that Lucia is not ready yet.
At this point, Lucia is not ready to accept Se Ri as her SECOND daughter. Lucia still lies to Se Ri and cusses her under her breath.... hugging her and cussing her...
So what has to happen to Lucia to make her get her where she needs to be? As an epitome of a MOTHER
And very artsy. The scene of those lights falling into water was amazing.
I still dont understand why the old man said they should never meet again, and what the purpose is of swapping them. But now we know the true thoughts of the snotty arrogant royal LOL Serves him well :)
ouch
That man is probably wodnering how the heck he never saw it before...
So to address that issue: her husband too killed the marriage. They are accomplices in killing the marriage.
Her husband is equally responsible for lack of communication btween them and killing of the marriage, and then his cheating and putting her down, mistreating her and now tripping her
And it is her fault never to address that with him and take action to protect herself, the kids and ultimately the marriage - she gave up on the marriage too!!!! in a more passive agressive way - like, sleeping with the kids... So yeah, i I were him, I would go out and cheat too.
She and her husband are equally guilty of killing their marriage. Her method of killing it just looks more socially acceptable
the kids do not have TWO parents as the husband and wife are just two enemies who live in the same apartment.
Just think what this is doing to the kids.