So:It's been a while since I watched a Korean drama.I started watching them quite early (2010) and then somehow…
That fact is that Se Na told La Ik that she likes BOTH the real La Ik AND LaIk on stage. And she kept liking both. It is great that she is his fan. It is quite a support for him. I am not sure why you are bishing about it. They are a couple in real life too, as the very last scene shows. SO WHY are you guys bisching about it here... ??? ....
Someone posted this here and I think this is the hell pit that should be avoided if possible bc we all know what it is.... and we dislike it, esp when it happens in too many dramas.... QUOTE: "dramas insist on men being rich while the woman poor or Dumb witted FL while the ML is smart and gifted. It's an fking stereotype it happens in some not all dramas. Roll ur eyes at it and get on with ur day."
After a quick drop in, I was shocked how MORBID this drama is... seeing what a nightmare this drama is, like a cesspool of negative characters, all grabbing for money and/or each other. Like a mud fight inside a sewer tank..... WITH MATING ... they all have secret kids and affairs.... It is a lewd MESS..... There is not one character here who is a positive character.
So this is like watching Hollywood series about a family of gangsters or something like that, some major murky mud like Cardashians - I have not seen one episode of that, but what I hear about it reminds me of this kdrama. ALl nasty / murky characters and nothing positive. Like a tv series from a hell pit hole.
A revenge drama could be better.... bc this is not a revenge anymore, this is a whole bunch of criminals going against each other, fighting for the pile of cash in the middle, and fuc.ing witih each other like crazy, it is hard to keep track of who is whose kid.... .
The comments section for this drama is such a hot mess right now that I hate to think about what it will be like…
The ugly has to happen in the drama itself, regardless of the comments section, because each drama has to resolve some difficult issues, otherwise there would be no drama, even a simple one.
As for comments section - watching a drama does NOT require reading comments, and esp does NOT require posting any comments.... . YOU CAN MAKE YOUR COMMENT READING ENJOYABLE, JUST BLOCK ALL THOSE USERS WHOSE POSTS YOU DO NOT LIKE :) Click on their name and block them. I just blocked that mooc
In this day and age, a dog can write comments on Internet, and ppl who are writing are a motley crew of really ANYONE - paid trolls, unpaid trolls, rabid fans, crazies writing bc nobody knows who they are - like that mooc, etc etc etc and also ... "ordinary" people who finally have a voice and can write anything they want.... bc .. in something like Hollywood - the audience HAS NO SAY - you just get your movie or tv series already done and over with. NO comments.
Asian dramas are special bc you get to see global comments and you get to see who watches this drama and it is super educational to see what kinds of ppl are out there and how they think :) I have seen a lot of really observant and smart ppl out there, and also, I got to see first hand some toxic stereotyping.
So you decide - do you skip reading comments, or you block users whose posts you dislike and read ppl who make sense to you? Your choice.
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You seriously have a really sad life :(( I mean I see you comment every time in a drama talking about ml being…
Ok name them
FL as innocent and ML foxy/player/experienced: Idol I, No Tail to Tell, Haunted Palace, Bon Appetit, Dynamite Kiss, Moon River, etc etc etc.
After I hear your dramas, then I will block you :) because you are not stopping and you are trying to be clever, trying to sell your slander. I am very interested to eliminate you.
Kdramas are mostly made for a female audience so I don’t know why you’re complaining if anything males should…
EXACTLY!!!! you nailed it!!! that is the kdrama sexist brainwashing - this awful - and rich - guy who is so great deep down, and this kind stupid loser poor woman rehabs him. WOMEN GET SNAGGED INTO THINKING THEY SHOULD KEEP TRYING. Heck no. Run. If he is not great already, run.
But the naive ppl believe that he soooo falls in love with her - although there is absolutely nothing special about her except her constant need to be saved from her stupidities - and he keeps helping her and sugardaddies her so that she can function in life. THAT is the EXACT kdrama premise for most kdramas, and it su.ks Really badly
I think this delulu story satisfies 2 conditions: it spreads the patriarchy mysogenic teachings so that the whole society is brainwashed into thinking that women are some kind of free psychiatric nurses. Nobody takes seriously that promise that the man will ah so take care of her and cherish her. that part is kinda forgotten.
The second use of this is that it keeps women ah so happy in the delulu land, believing that they can be utterly stupid and still catch this Prince Charming. So women do not try to get their life together. They wait for Prince Charming to do it for them. The society teaches that a woman is NOTHING without a man as her front, so a woman tries to be sweet and catch some guy to take care of her. And she believes she is sooo special she will change him and have him cherish her. THAT SPELLS D * I * V * O * R * C * E and also means women will never ever be in any power positions. Their job is to be sweet stupid nurses for free - well, in exhange for being helped to navigate life.
Overall, it keeps the mysogony going. it is pretty strong in Asia VISIBLY. In the USA it is even stronger, but in a more slimey more camouflaged backstabbing way. The woman has to get a push up bra and tons of makeup and be a sex symbol Barbie doll from 9am to 5pm and from 9pm to 6am, and the rest of the hours be the cleaning lady, cook, and babysitter.
Now for the real thing. People CAN change. I have seen serious junkies go clean bc of their children, i have seen ppl fall in love and change, etc etc etc etc. I have seen ppl change bc someone stood up to them LOL I have seen myself change. I have seen crazy impossible love stories too.
Many of those stories are about change TO A CERTAIN POINT, then the person cannot go forward... and so the love or whatever breaks .
But also, I have seen where then... on the next turn, you start from there and ... you go forward....
I have also seen small invisible steps that one day lead to profound changes. Sometimes the change is over time and sooooo ... clever... and you dont notice until later that you are FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT.
This can go good way or bad way LOL
The bottom line:
Stories of people changing bc of love are possible but rare. That is why we make dramas out of such stories LOL but ... to make most dramas on that same cliche is ... hm... obvious manipulation of women to force them to be sweet and stupid and kiss big fat egoistical as@ of the men around them
I just saw episode 1, it is Jan 2026. I am watching bc ML actor is also ML in To my Beloved Thief 2026 historical drama. He is such an excellent actor and a fabulous comedian that I decided to check this drama out too. Omg. I love it. The script is tight, the dialogues are great, and the acting is stellar. WELL DONE DRAMA. I love FL character such a strong honest woman, and I love the acting of that actress
and yeah it is a smart drama and so the rating is so low ... MDL ratings are useless :) This is an excellent drama
===it is great UNTIL EP ... 6 or 7? BC THE DRAMA DRAGS THE SELFISHNESS OF THE GAY MAN WHO JUST WANTS TO GET MARRIED TO GET RID OF CLOSET GAY PROBLEMS. WHAT A JERK!!! AND FL TURNS INTO A LAZY GREEDY JERK TOO AND JUST GOES ALONG AND KEEPS LYING trashy script... very boring... THEN.... the other brother goes off deep end and breaks with the love of his life... THEN... she too dumps him.... !!!!!! IDIOTIC!!!! and it is totally unclear WHY except that it is two little kids..
What started well, has gone totally off the deep end. The script became trash. The drama is about 3 spoiled teenagers, well JiHan is least spoiled, but his bro is a snowflake slimey jerk, and FL is ... immature .... and then we have Grandpa CEO who is a super bad businessman, showing his conglomerate into hands of De Hon who does NOT want it. Grandpa has not learned ONE thing in all those years, and is a CONTROL FREAK to the point of being mentally ill.
The gay brother is a total complete monster jerk, soooo slimey selfish, it is ... well... pathetic. Then we have the dumb FL who helps that PARASITE. The parasite has an art studio in Korea, an art studio in NYC, lives his life with lots of money - as long as he keeps it secret that he is gay. Then he uses FL to marry her and camouflage himself and blackmails her she has to do that for him. WOW MORON.
SO overall, ... the drama is ... a story of 2 kids, their kid brother and a nasty grandpa trying to control them. But really most time in the drama is 2 or 3 kids on the screen.
And ML FL kids keep promising to each other there is no secrets, and NOBODY ever is saying hey the groom is gay. Common.... no secrets, ha? And if you are a girl, you gotta be a midget and be up to the navel of the guys. What the heck is that, to make all females look like children???
then... the non-gay brother admits publicly he was chasing FL and then he DISAPPEARS, breaking up with her "to protect her".... ??? wtf??? what was that about??? I didnt not even understand this idiocy.... HOW is he "helping her"???? excuse me... ??? WHAT IS GOING ON in this drama?????
Then... this chick DUMPS HIM.... !!!!! wtf? ... what kind of plot is that.. ???
THIS IS A ***VERY STUPID**** TEENAGE DRAMA after ep 6or 7....
ep 9,10, 11 are IDIOTIC SCRIPT .... FL "doesnt want pain" and keeps bailing out and dumping her true love..... IT IS COMPLETELY STUPID.... and that guy - why did he dump her first... ???? WTF IS EVEN REASONING IN THIS DRAMA???
The actor I wanted to watch, Moon Sang Min is doing a great job of acting in this mess. He is the brother of the closeted gay and he wants his bride... who is too ... dumb....and lying... and sooo weak... and he too.. he dumps her... then she dumps him... then he comes to get her back... REally really DUMB toxic script... He is acting well in a script that is stupid...
So this year 2024 drama THAT IS THE SAME as old dramas where you have a super weak woman making dumb choices all the time to save her as# or to "help people" and TAKE EASY WAY OUT and in tthis drama, her true love ALSO makes such choices, so you have TWO DUMB PPL
In other words, this drama is totally evil. FL IS DUMB AND WEAK, AS USUAL, AND KEEPS CREATING STUPID PLOT PLUS HER MALE PAIR IS STUPID TOO,.... !!!!!
COMMON!!!! YEAR 2024 WITH YOUNG ACTORS!!!! WHAT BULLSHIT IS THIS???? Well millenial bullshit... Snowflakes..
And FL gives it voice over - how in life we CANNOT BE HONEST bc we lie to cover our cowardince and clumziness. WTF.... WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE IS THAT!!!!! for year 2024!!!!!!
--- The only adult in this drama is the 2FL, the "top 10 Forbes" female CEO. She is really worth her high position.
FL is a trashy cheap INSECURE weak looser who keeps making promises bailing out. ML is a spoiled insecure brat. Gay brothere was a slimey parasite and luckily quit that at the end.
==== So overall, this is worth watching for the first 6 episodes or so. It is fun and seems to be moving along. Moon Sang Min is a great actor and a great great comedian. He is super cocky and keeps advertising himself as good looking with a great voice, and sure you have to notice he is cute, bc he is such a good actor. He really acts well and cathes all comedy moments, he is hillarious.
I want to thank the person who wrote a post about how great the actor is who does the ML here ... I cannot find that post ... That person recommended ML's 2024 drama Marriage Impossible. It is wed/th, there is no dramas to watch, and I started that. OMG it is hilarious!
ML actor is really really skilled actor and an amazing comedian. RESPECT!
Kdramas are mostly made for a female audience so I don’t know why you’re complaining if anything males should…
LOL why not? LOL I think it is possible :) and can and should be done. Why not? some of the "hugeness" of their redemption arc is that they started as sexist jerks and somehow overcame it. It happens rarely anywhere and esp in Far East... Middle East... Russia... England ... S Europe ..... S America... Africa .... Scandinavia and USA are a tiny bit better...
Maybe is the Prime and Netflix effect. I saw a documentary named How Netflix destroyed Kdramas for ever by Asian…
I wrote ""hollywood effect" is not only supernatural/superhero or special efects etc. It is more about ... lack of content, more frills like s.x violence special efects etc. and the overall isolation, despair, bad guys as main characters, overall message that there is no way out."
I lost interest in FL. At least Flower Knight is much better!
Hm.... now I am tempted to ask you - who are you? That is a lot of time spent watching, like hours and hours each day... Who has the time for that? ....
What are your "red flags" that a drama is good or bad?
hello - he NEVER overworked her!!!! HE ASKED HER TO STAY HOME AND REST!!!! and she kept insisting to go to work!!!!…
Ok I fast forwarded tru ep 3 and I do NOT see what you are saying here. PLEASE GIVE ME EXACT MINUTES OF ep 3 where he overworks her to point of collapse.
For sure you are incorrect in saying "entire ep 3" bc it is not.
I see that she got blamed for the leak - she got blamed BY THE ENTIRE COMPANY, not just by him - and then she came to his office and said SHE will fix it - and he said - no we fix it together, make a new report and bring it to me
It was not HIM to blame her, the entire company blamed her!!!!! And it had to be fixed... he had NOTHING against her. He was just trying to fix a company problem.
Then ... he investigated ... and found out it was not her. So he came to tell her that
SHE WAS SO STRESSED OUT and she had baby cramps and he took her to hospital and nursed her.
I think you are mixing it up with ML overworking 2ML intentionally, out of jealousy and spite and malice LOL That surely is true...
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They are a couple in real life too, as the very last scene shows.
SO WHY are you guys bisching about it here... ??? ....
QUOTE: "dramas insist on men being rich while the woman poor or Dumb witted FL while the ML is smart and gifted. It's an fking stereotype it happens in some not all dramas. Roll ur eyes at it and get on with ur day."
So this is like watching Hollywood series about a family of gangsters or something like that, some major murky mud like Cardashians - I have not seen one episode of that, but what I hear about it reminds me of this kdrama. ALl nasty / murky characters and nothing positive.
Like a tv series from a hell pit hole.
A revenge drama could be better.... bc this is not a revenge anymore, this is a whole bunch of criminals going against each other, fighting for the pile of cash in the middle, and fuc.ing witih each other like crazy, it is hard to keep track of who is whose kid.... .
As for comments section - watching a drama does NOT require reading comments, and esp does NOT require posting any comments.... .
YOU CAN MAKE YOUR COMMENT READING ENJOYABLE, JUST BLOCK ALL THOSE USERS WHOSE POSTS YOU DO NOT LIKE :) Click on their name and block them. I just blocked that mooc
In this day and age, a dog can write comments on Internet, and ppl who are writing are a motley crew of really ANYONE - paid trolls, unpaid trolls, rabid fans, crazies writing bc nobody knows who they are - like that mooc, etc etc etc and also ... "ordinary" people who finally have a voice and can write anything they want.... bc .. in something like Hollywood - the audience HAS NO SAY - you just get your movie or tv series already done and over with. NO comments.
Asian dramas are special bc you get to see global comments and you get to see who watches this drama and it is super educational to see what kinds of ppl are out there and how they think :) I have seen a lot of really observant and smart ppl out there, and also, I got to see first hand some toxic stereotyping.
So you decide - do you skip reading comments, or you block users whose posts you dislike and read ppl who make sense to you? Your choice.
To block someone, click on their icon and then in the tab "Add friend" click on "block"
Have fun!
FL as innocent and ML foxy/player/experienced: Idol I, No Tail to Tell, Haunted Palace, Bon Appetit, Dynamite Kiss, Moon River, etc etc etc.
After I hear your dramas, then I will block you :) because you are not stopping and you are trying to be clever, trying to sell your slander. I am very interested to eliminate you.
But the naive ppl believe that he soooo falls in love with her - although there is absolutely nothing special about her except her constant need to be saved from her stupidities - and he keeps helping her and sugardaddies her so that she can function in life. THAT is the EXACT kdrama premise for most kdramas, and it su.ks Really badly
I think this delulu story satisfies 2 conditions: it spreads the patriarchy mysogenic teachings so that the whole society is brainwashed into thinking that women are some kind of free psychiatric nurses. Nobody takes seriously that promise that the man will ah so take care of her and cherish her. that part is kinda forgotten.
The second use of this is that it keeps women ah so happy in the delulu land, believing that they can be utterly stupid and still catch this Prince Charming. So women do not try to get their life together. They wait for Prince Charming to do it for them. The society teaches that a woman is NOTHING without a man as her front, so a woman tries to be sweet and catch some guy to take care of her. And she believes she is sooo special she will change him and have him cherish her. THAT SPELLS D * I * V * O * R * C * E and also means women will never ever be in any power positions. Their job is to be sweet stupid nurses for free - well, in exhange for being helped to navigate life.
Overall, it keeps the mysogony going. it is pretty strong in Asia VISIBLY. In the USA it is even stronger, but in a more slimey more camouflaged backstabbing way. The woman has to get a push up bra and tons of makeup and be a sex symbol Barbie doll from 9am to 5pm and from 9pm to 6am, and the rest of the hours be the cleaning lady, cook, and babysitter.
Now for the real thing. People CAN change. I have seen serious junkies go clean bc of their children, i have seen ppl fall in love and change, etc etc etc etc. I have seen ppl change bc someone stood up to them LOL I have seen myself change. I have seen crazy impossible love stories too.
Many of those stories are about change TO A CERTAIN POINT, then the person cannot go forward... and so the love or whatever breaks .
But also, I have seen where then... on the next turn, you start from there and ... you go forward....
I have also seen small invisible steps that one day lead to profound changes. Sometimes the change is over time and sooooo ... clever... and you dont notice until later that you are FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT.
This can go good way or bad way LOL
The bottom line:
Stories of people changing bc of love are possible but rare. That is why we make dramas out of such stories LOL but ... to make most dramas on that same cliche is ... hm... obvious manipulation of women to force them to be sweet and stupid and kiss big fat egoistical as@ of the men around them
I am watching bc ML actor is also ML in To my Beloved Thief 2026 historical drama. He is such an excellent actor and a fabulous comedian that I decided to check this drama out too. Omg. I love it. The script is tight, the dialogues are great, and the acting is stellar. WELL DONE DRAMA. I love FL character such a strong honest woman, and I love the acting of that actress
and yeah it is a smart drama and so the rating is so low ... MDL ratings are useless :) This is an excellent drama
===it is great UNTIL EP ... 6 or 7? BC THE DRAMA DRAGS THE SELFISHNESS OF THE GAY MAN WHO JUST WANTS TO GET MARRIED TO GET RID OF CLOSET GAY PROBLEMS. WHAT A JERK!!!
AND FL TURNS INTO A LAZY GREEDY JERK TOO AND JUST GOES ALONG AND KEEPS LYING
trashy script... very boring...
THEN.... the other brother goes off deep end and breaks with the love of his life...
THEN... she too dumps him.... !!!!!! IDIOTIC!!!! and it is totally unclear WHY except that it is two little kids..
What started well, has gone totally off the deep end. The script became trash. The drama is about 3 spoiled teenagers, well JiHan is least spoiled, but his bro is a snowflake slimey jerk, and FL is ... immature .... and then we have Grandpa CEO who is a super bad businessman, showing his conglomerate into hands of De Hon who does NOT want it. Grandpa has not learned ONE thing in all those years, and is a CONTROL FREAK to the point of being mentally ill.
The gay brother is a total complete monster jerk, soooo slimey selfish, it is ... well... pathetic. Then we have the dumb FL who helps that PARASITE. The parasite has an art studio in Korea, an art studio in NYC, lives his life with lots of money - as long as he keeps it secret that he is gay. Then he uses FL to marry her and camouflage himself and blackmails her she has to do that for him. WOW MORON.
SO overall, ... the drama is ... a story of 2 kids, their kid brother and a nasty grandpa trying to control them. But really most time in the drama is 2 or 3 kids on the screen.
And ML FL kids keep promising to each other there is no secrets, and NOBODY ever is saying hey the groom is gay. Common.... no secrets, ha?
And if you are a girl, you gotta be a midget and be up to the navel of the guys. What the heck is that, to make all females look like children???
then... the non-gay brother admits publicly he was chasing FL and then he DISAPPEARS, breaking up with her "to protect her".... ??? wtf??? what was that about??? I didnt not even understand this idiocy.... HOW is he "helping her"???? excuse me... ??? WHAT IS GOING ON in this drama?????
Then... this chick DUMPS HIM.... !!!!! wtf? ... what kind of plot is that.. ???
THIS IS A ***VERY STUPID**** TEENAGE DRAMA after ep 6or 7....
ep 9,10, 11 are IDIOTIC SCRIPT .... FL "doesnt want pain" and keeps bailing out and dumping her true love..... IT IS COMPLETELY STUPID.... and that guy - why did he dump her first... ???? WTF IS EVEN REASONING IN THIS DRAMA???
The actor I wanted to watch, Moon Sang Min is doing a great job of acting in this mess. He is the brother of the closeted gay and he wants his bride... who is too ... dumb....and lying... and sooo weak... and he too.. he dumps her... then she dumps him... then he comes to get her back... REally really DUMB toxic script... He is acting well in a script that is stupid...
So this year 2024 drama THAT IS THE SAME as old dramas where you have a super weak woman making dumb choices all the time to save her as# or to "help people" and TAKE EASY WAY OUT and in tthis drama, her true love ALSO makes such choices, so you have TWO DUMB PPL
In other words, this drama is totally evil. FL IS DUMB AND WEAK, AS USUAL, AND KEEPS CREATING STUPID PLOT PLUS HER MALE PAIR IS STUPID TOO,.... !!!!!
COMMON!!!! YEAR 2024 WITH YOUNG ACTORS!!!! WHAT BULLSHIT IS THIS???? Well millenial bullshit... Snowflakes..
And FL gives it voice over - how in life we CANNOT BE HONEST bc we lie to cover our cowardince and clumziness. WTF.... WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE IS THAT!!!!! for year 2024!!!!!!
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The only adult in this drama is the 2FL, the "top 10 Forbes" female CEO. She is really worth her high position.
FL is a trashy cheap INSECURE weak looser who keeps making promises bailing out.
ML is a spoiled insecure brat.
Gay brothere was a slimey parasite and luckily quit that at the end.
====
So overall, this is worth watching for the first 6 episodes or so. It is fun and seems to be moving along.
Moon Sang Min is a great actor and a great great comedian.
He is super cocky and keeps advertising himself as good looking with a great voice, and sure you have to notice he is cute, bc he is such a good actor. He really acts well and cathes all comedy moments, he is hillarious.
ML actor is really really skilled actor and an amazing comedian. RESPECT!
some of the "hugeness" of their redemption arc is that they started as sexist jerks and somehow overcame it. It happens rarely anywhere and esp in Far East... Middle East... Russia... England ... S Europe ..... S America... Africa .... Scandinavia and USA are a tiny bit better...
What are your "red flags" that a drama is good or bad?
What do you think of currently airing kdramas?
For sure you are incorrect in saying "entire ep 3" bc it is not.
I see that she got blamed for the leak - she got blamed BY THE ENTIRE COMPANY, not just by him - and then she came to his office and said SHE will fix it - and he said - no we fix it together, make a new report and bring it to me
It was not HIM to blame her, the entire company blamed her!!!!! And it had to be fixed... he had NOTHING against her. He was just trying to fix a company problem.
Then ... he investigated ... and found out it was not her. So he came to tell her that
SHE WAS SO STRESSED OUT and she had baby cramps and he took her to hospital and nursed her.
I think you are mixing it up with ML overworking 2ML intentionally, out of jealousy and spite and malice LOL That surely is true...