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Someone called @yourprincess is an avid advocate of "no mating before marriage" and that is why that person posted so many comments about Se Na being awkward with La Ik to the point of awkwardly calling his name. That person claimed he/she "did nothing formal with men" and stated that mating before marriage in Idol I was not called for.

just so that you know, this is the private message that person sent me when I replied that SeNa and La Ik are mature adults in love and free to engage if they want to:

"your princess an hour ago
STOP ACTING LIKE U ARE SO SMART LOL .YEA ,SO HEALTHY TO DO MATING BEFORE MARRIAGE ALTHOUGH MOST PPL END UP GETTING DUMPED ,STD ,TRAUMA ETC LMAO .I HAVE NO EXPERIENCE WITH MEN MEANWHILE U ARE BEING A JUDGEMENTAL BEACH TRYING TO LECTURE ME AND JUDGE ME AS IF U KNOW EVERYTHING?? U ARE JUST ANNOYING AND NASTY .THAT 'S IT .NOTHING ELSE .YOU AINT IMPORTANT NOR INFLUENTIAL .JUST A LOUD NOISE THAT EVERYONE HATES?"

that @yourprincess is either 12 or 92, or a very ill adult, or maybe even closeted LGBT+, or maybe a brainwashed airhead from some ultra conservative background (religious, political, etc) - but certainly entitled enough to insult me when his/her argument was refuted

IN ANY CASE: IF ANYONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH ANY OF MY POSTS, EITHER REPLY WITH FACTS IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS, OR JUST BLOCK ME.
DO NOT WASTE MY TIME WITH NASTY PRIVATE MESSAGES OR POSTS THAT DO NOT ADDRESS WHAT I WROTE.
This was a first such message I ever received and the last one LOL

I need my time for what is useful.

This drama is over so I am not gonna write here anymore. I just am posting an alert.

Have a nice day everyone!

Ok time for shutdown then

Hm. I have to rewatch to give you a specific feedback. I vaguely recall that he had no idea she was in charge

and I clearly remember that she ended up in hospital with cramps and he nursed her

So give me some time to reply

I have to make the addition to my post a new post so that ppl do not get the wrong idea.
I am sorry if there was any misunderstanding, I am not saying the ENTIRE drama is mysogenic. Just these little details of FL acting in dumbness and situation where ML has to save the damsel in distress. Those situations are red flags and I really start worrying the whole drama would go in that direction...

I want to clarify: Even when I wrote that earlier post, I thought that overall the drama is very positive and forward, ML and FL have a good honest communication and it is quite a healthy relationship and improving as they communicate more and more openly. FL was snotty to begin with but she gave it up fast, luckily.

It is OK that FL makes mistakes SOMETIMES and ML saves her, and vice versa.

Luckily this drama stays on track and realistically portrays gender equality.

After Tue episode, I saw that ML scolded FL for acting as a reckless moron and forcing him to save her out of her stupid wandering in typhoon... I am glad to see that. That is realistic and FAIR. he is not letting her act as a damsel in distress and use him as a sugar daddy savior... THAT IS PROGRESS in kdramas overall!!!! He forgave her only when she presented a super important excuse.... which was still stupid but forgivable to a city slicker...

So yeah I do hope this drama keeps progressing as a realistic portrayal of less-than-perfect-but-trying adults who keep learning and growing in a constructive way.

Overall the drama has a very good and positive vibe and is enjoyable. Thank you everyone!

PS - teenagers are pardoned in having a toxic relationship since it is their first experiences so they gotta learn, but we can only hope they learn fast LOL before they ruin their lives more.

It is time to report and/or block mooc

time to report moonc and/or block him/her.

Gees, Bon Apettit DOES have a FL!!!!! Very prominently!!!!

your talk about kdrama content is super disrespectful. I didnt see no gain no love, but I have seen ZILLIONS of other kdramas and you are just spewing incorrect bs. Please stop or you will be reported for obscenity

This FL is just cautious with a stranger and now pregnant..

If you want good communication, Idol I is it then, from almost the start to end. TO my beloved thief got to that point already, No Tail to Tell is getting there pretty fast, and Spring Fever got to that point pretty fast.

you are using too many double negatives so it is not grammatically clear what you are trying to say. So your complaint is that the FL is shabbily dressed and you dislike it?

If that is your argument, then - what were you expecting??? FL is a single person with a relatively decent but not overflowing job, with long hours, and with mother who wants money from her. FL is not socially active, dating etc. She just sometimes goes drinking with ppl from work. She is an overworked workaholic and alcoholic.

AND you want her to have high fashion outfits?????

I think FL is all good and I would not change ONE thing about her. Except drinking. I want her to drink little and be selective about it.

How to handle that: perhaps do not read the comments... or block the users who spoil it for you.
Some dramas with famous actors that ppl feel free to attack, or topics that ppl feel free to attack, like FL No Tail To TEll, special effect dramas, and dramas with age difference; any violence drama like Weak Hero; any hot guy rom com; any drama with an idol actor with toxic fans; etc etc etc - attract crude comments from the audience.

SO SKIP IT OR BLOCK SOME USERS.

on this page, mooc could be reported or blocked.. I havent gone beyond that post bc I didnt want to bother. I might have missed some smart posts, but I do not have the time now. If that mooc posts again, I will block them.

why do WE need to motivate you? If you want to watch, just WATCH... it is your taste, your time, your heart. If your heart says watch it, then watch it until your inner self says enough.

More than watching it, it is more important to look inside and find out WHY you want to watch it and WHY you are hesitant to watch it.

See, you are already using this drama to learn something about yourself.

Sometimes trashy dramas have a message we need to hear :) and sometoimes that message is to drop a trashy drama :) but at least you know WHY it is trash and you will recognize trash in the future and avoid it

I am tempted to not read the comments bc there are some .. well... like mooc pornographic posts... but ... then I might miss someone smart and observant saying something useful or profound... So.. I am gonna read the comments and block all those creating a mess :) I already blocked user mooc...

I am interested in this drama bc overall it has a positive message and I see that ML and FL are starting to communicate honestly and work as a team, so I want to follow that. I assume that some bad stuff will be happening to them and it will take some ugly episodes to work it out, so I will patiently watch bc I want to see how ML-FL collaborate to make it better.

(Disclaimer: unless I get convinced that the drama is trash :) I learned the hard way to cut my losses fast. Now I know what the red flags are :)

EXACTLY! THIS USER @MOOC SEEMS TO BE OBSESSED WITH THIS FANTASY THAT KDRAMAS HAVE PROMISCUOUS WOMEN WHO SNAG A VIRGIN FILTHY RICH CEO

we need to shut that user up as this is a totally factually incorrect premise

For all that we know, mooc could be a drunk drugged person writing drunk drugged stuff. Or some acne filled teenager with serious inferiority issues, or some middle aged perv. .... It does not matter. It is time for those posts to STOP.

@mooc I think you missed it, your ideas are just incorrect. Also, the way you are discussing is majorly disrespectful.
@mooc this is your last chance before I report you and block you for obscene content.

Kdramas do NOT have to explicitly address TMI areas of human life. It is vouyering and cheap. Kdramas are MASTERFUL in delicately and respectively acknowledging ALL areas of human life, and focusing on topics that are meaningful for the drama.

you are protesting the idea that kdramas have shady promiscuous women who then snag a virgin CEO. So what??? What is wrong with that??? IT IS JUST ONE OF MANY POSSIBLE COMBINATIONS..... LOVERS COME IN ALL FORMS!!!!! And not all kdramas use that particular combination!!!!!! and no, a virgin woman is NOT required... and no, a virgin male above 20 is OK too!!!!! People have the right to live their lives!!!!

in other words, you are stating something very incorrect and making a really nasty rude disrespectful, rather pornographic post about it.

SO LET'S CLEAR THIS UP ONCE AND FOR ALL. Enough of your spreading misinformation. If you ever post anythng like you posted, I will report your post for lewd content.

FIRST, many kdramas have a virgin female who is weak and exploted by an overbearing experienced or not CEO. You forgot about those... And you forgot about many kdramas where ML is a player. Like... My Roommate is a Gumiho, Gentleman's Dignity, I love Romance 3, etc etc etc etc in The Innocent Man, ML is an escort for money. In Descendants of the Sun, the soldiers are players.
Most kdramas have ppl going on dates, blind dates, actively looking for a partner. You forgot about that. Kdramas portray ppl who just have a s.x buddy - and accidentally fall pregnant - like in I Love Romance #3, or a long term partner, or a spouse, or nobody... ALL possible cases. ...

SECOND, some kdramas talk about "special case" characters like ... a virgin soldier or CEO, or a virgin woman who hides from life. Either young people who are just coming of age, or adults with trauma. In . "First Night with the Duke". you have a top level soldier who recently became an adult and he then runs into his first woman. In Idol I, FL was a daughter of a murderer and just stayed home or worked, hiding in isolation for like 20-30some years. She was traumatized.
One of my favorites is Love Divine, where a very pious future priest decides to disrobe to get married LOL and his fellow student keeps jumping over the fence to sneak out from the church and go out partying, womanizing, smoking, drinking, etc and that guy gets confirmed as a priest LMAO

THIRD: many of the cases you describe are very YOUNG men and it is normal that their first encounter is quite late. Like First Night with the Duke That dude is about 20 some yrs old. It is totally normal and healthy and mature that he was holding up until he found someone he really liked. When he DID find her, he did not hesitate. Koreans are healthy and know their stuff :)

There are TONS of kdrama with FLs who have never dated before. That is more common than not. But there are pleeeenty dramas about adult women with previous experiences, usually a nasty ex... Also, dramas about promiscuous women who jump into bed and then ask questions later. Those are rare though. Growing Season is about collge students and one of the females is like that. Another one breaks up with his long term boyfriend, and third one decides to invest into her first time properly, dumps her nasty crush, and start dating a very nice guy from her higshcool. All options are presented and made available for the audience to pick what they like.

FOURTH most kdrama characters are portrayed as healthy and curious, with various levels of sexual experience. The society itself provides for decent s.x education, between erotic books, giseang, hostesses, dance, songs, etc. AND KDRAMA KISSES LOL

Historical dramas are very clear about polygamy, concubines, giseangs, erotic books that EVERYONE read, noble males were sleeping around like crazy, and seems like commoners were quite free to sleep around too, and I would think slaves were encouraged to, since they produced more baby slaves, etc.

and modern dramas are very clear about hostesses and S-lines and sex-allowed-without-marriage for both genders, about drinking and drunken mistakes, etc. S Korea drinks a LOT, they are 14th in the world. Then there is required-for-business drinking and going to a hostess bar...

Being intoxicated goes together with sleeping around, there is no way out of that. So ... assume lots of s.x between (drunk) adults... it is implied.

S Korea is also a rather conservative family oriented culture so it seems that young people hold on to some decent age and THEN plunge in, and use discretion and good taste and do not make pigs out of themselves. Seems like they have sophistication and discernment.

S Korea is also a rather cruel competitive capitalist economy and many ppl work work work and have NO TIME or energy to have a social life. So you jump out of school into college, then into your first job, and you are just too busy to even think about romance, esp if you are poor or an executive and working too much.
For example, Young male professionals in It is All Beautiful Now were celibate for many years without any plans to date, bc they just were too busy with work. I think one had a gfriend and got badly burned and gave up, the oldest was too nerdy and never dated, the youngest never dated bc he was so young. But once they were promised an apartment if they get married, suddenly they found someone who easily fit into their lifestyle and they took the chance. LOL
Also, many ppl have important jobs and high positions and do not think of having any romance. Like ML top lawyer partner in Beyond the Bar. He just works works works.. and even a nice woman next to him is not tempting him to act bc she is his subordinate and it would disrupt his work. He is also grieving his divorce...

FIFTH, kdrama portray men who are celibate bc they are grieving some loss or trauma... That is NORMAL response to the situation... Sometimes kdramas show damaged children who grow into loner adults, or ppl in very heroic situations, like Love Me shows a middle aged man who took care of his sick wife for 7 yrs... and did not sleep around. he was totally dead by the end of it... and jumped into a new relationship as soon as his wife died. Tha is NORMAL.

Many kdramas show very skilled male "hunters", they pick a woman they want, and they go after her, and are very very patient and will wait for a while. Even a guy who is a virgin becomes very crafty. DO they find some dump grounds to prevent overboiling while they are waiting? We dont know. The drama will politely skip those details. It is proper as we the audience do not need TMI.

S KOREA IS CERTAINLY NOT PRUDE and to be honest, from my point of view, has a rather healthy attitude towards s.x, EXCEPT for the drinking. I think kdramas treat those questions with good tact and sensitivity. Nothing is brushed off and nothing is hyped up. It is just a NORMAL healthy way to discuss one part of human life. I applaud kdramas for that.

It is a welcome oasis from the Christian guilt ideas and enticement with things forbidden and dirty bc ppl feel so guilty, and then all perversions on that topic... one of which is requiring a virgin woman. Heck that was from the times when women were traded around like cattle. Get out of that mode... already!

SO PLEASE STOP SPREADING FALSE INFORMATION AND BITCHING ABOUT NON-EXISTENT ISSUES
Especially since you seem to keep posting about it, and maybe even on pages of other dramas.

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The dramas are discreet about sexuality issues if those issues will disrupt the drama. For example, Idol I ML is a famous musician and he goes on looooong tours. The drama does not adadress it and makes it look like he was not sleeping around during that time. Perhaps he did not. But maybe ... he has a bae he quietly uses as a dump ground during tours, or sleeps with fans in secret... who knows. But that is not important for the drama, so the drama does not address it.
ML in "Surely TOmorrow" breaks up with his girlfriend twice and did not have any gfriends ater the breakups. DID he grab someone to bang with sometimes? We do not know It is not important for the drama so the drama skips that. Same with martial arts champion in Once Again - once he left the house, did he find anyone else... ? he must have... but the drama gently avoids to answer that question... and lets him be nice to his old flame before he leaves.

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THE correct stuff that you are addressing is dramas showing adult males being celibate waiting for "his" girl to come back or show up. Like in recent "Surely Tomorrow" etc... That is a little ... unrealistic ... but possible. I know quite a few men and women who lived like that. Very often ppl get burned on a relationship and just give up dating.

There is also the plot where male lead has to stay celibate or else he is gonna die... Like in "Queen's Tears" where he wants a divorce but the nasty chaebol wife would kill him for that


SO THERE ARE MANY ROMANTIC SITUATIONS IN KDRAMAS AND IT IS ALL GOOD AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, IT IS RATHER HEALTHY AND NORMAIL

SO LIVE WITH IT AND STOP POSTING DISRESPECTFUL POSTS WITH MISINFORMATION .

Nah this is very different than Dynamite Kiss... the vibe and the plot. This one has communication and togetherness, team work, very early, and ML is very honest and kind, and FL becomes honest and cooperative quickly. She already told him she appreciates him etc so there is NO WAY you can compare that to 2ML and FL in DK... !!!!

DK was very toxic from start to end, in the very first episode she ran away without saying a goodbye gotta run my mother is in the hospital! and she kept running away and lying and ML kept revenging and using violence against her, then she kept falling like 5 times per episode and needing a rescue, so he rescued her every time and then romantically chased her in a violent way... She was a total liar and loser and runaway, the slightest inconvenience made her just dump him, and he kept chasing her... BECAUSE she kissed well and was eager to get into bed.... it was PATHETIC.... There are zillion other women who can kiss and get into bed...
2ML - FL was also pathetic case of lying and lack of communication and honesty
Forget that drama, it was a major evil delulu drama

hello - he NEVER overworked her!!!! HE ASKED HER TO STAY HOME AND REST!!!! and she kept insisting to go to work!!!!

ML overworked the 2ML out of jealousy LOL

Exactly. Another page is No Tail to Tell, the audience is ... off. But Spring Fever, Idol I, to my beloved thief, have more sophisticated audience.

This drama has pregnancy out of wedlock and so that will atract comments from weirdos

This drama says mating is a must. La Ik kept asking for it and attempting and Se Na liked the idea, and that is where it was going for sure. They are 30 yrd old adults and they consented to it.

So do not apply YOUR personal standards here esp since your personal standards do NOT apply here, to two healthy young straight ADULTS. who are NOT monastics and have no reason to not mate.

And do not comment on it as you are not qualified, if you "never do formal stuff with men", you are mis-speaking as an alien to the situation in this drama. You have no experience to speak from.

La Ik was SMART :) That friend/tenant had to move out of SeNa's house AND prety much out of Se Na's life even if LaIk did not move in... :) Having him there would mean that LaIk and Se Na would have to live their life as if they had a kid in the house, a kid who can barge in any time and/or take all the attention to himself.... a kid who could use any chance to take over ...

Even if La Ik did not live there and just came to visit, it would be a mine field... The "friend/tenant" would come over a lot at any time and would be around a lot as he works from home AND collaborates with Se Na on cases ... It would be super awkward to have the friend keep disrupting private moments...

it would be unpleasant, from awkward to a full blown nightmare... LaIk and Se Na would have to see the friend around and bump into him... to have the friend talk to the landlord and collaborator Se Na .... to have Se Na prioritize the friend!!!! like she did already for the opening day...

What if the "tenant" could not stop pursuing Se Na or having a crush on her??? .... What if that thought would be in the back of everyone's mind... ? Esp when LaIk disappears for months on a tour...

NO thanks to any of that. Move out asap :)

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Meanwhile, we do NOT know what La Ik is doing when he is on a tour for months...

Thank you! I am gonna check it out, today :) there are no Wed Th kdramas airing :)