I love seeing tsundere ML with confident FLs but is there a reverse trope done in kdramas perfectly one I know…
Judge from Hell was ... a very ... simple FL. She was either a nasty devil murderer OR she tried to seduce ML. It was nothing complex nor sophisticated. I did not find it even funny.
A very confident woman bossing a guy... and done in a quality drama... .... I can almost put my finger on it but I need to think some more. I am sure I saw that before :) and yes it is rare. And that is different than tsundere :) In this drama, FL is not cold or mean, she is trying to be friendly, but she is just not taking any bs...
I will start rattling off some... - My Wife is a Ganster 3 - omg hilarious to the point of rolling off the chair... esp scenes of translating the gangster female lmao those are CLASSIC you will see all over the internet... - What is Wrong with Secretary Kim.... omg so funny...... - lawyer sister in My Father is Strange.... omg so funny...... - On Her Wedding Day - omg a classic... but FL is mean :) with Walking on Thin Ice ML . Even Walking on Thin Ice FL can be counted in... - I Need Romance 3 - noona and the younger guy couple - The Witch's Romance (there is another Witch's love drama, I am talking about the noona reporter romance with Park Seon Jun) ..... ok FL recently had My Troublesome Star where she starts tsundere - undercover agent in high school drama - cannot remember the name (the SIren's Kiss FL is FL there and she dates her clueless dumb school classmate - andyah she is mean ) .... ok ..... she also has Love in Contract where she is cold... i dont like that drama - My Sassy Girl - a classic - Graceful Family - she is super cool cold lmao this is a hilarious drama - Heroes Next Door - female hero lmao I love this drama - Ms. Incognito - My Dearest Nemesis lmao
Now some really cold ones - - MY MISTER!!! that's it that is what I was trying to rememer. THIS IS IT - No Tail to Tell - ough ... this had potential but she stayed cold closed hearted to the end and I rate this 5/10 - Reverse - the Art of Sarah - The Divorce Insurance CEO - Yumi's Cells season 2 - ah so slimey abusive sucking blood FL - Filing for Love, currently airing - FL is a Cruella boss at the start and remains very cold and reserved - Haunted Palace - I love that one. FL turns nice to ML in about the middle
Then there is kinda sorta partial FL cold ones, like: - When Life Gives you Tangerines - probably would qualify... - Iteawon Class... Nine Puzzles - Motel California sorta -Nice to Not Meet you and - GLory lead female villain
AND THERE ARE suuper tsundere **mentally ill unsocial ** FLs in It is Ok Not to Be OK.... Queen of Tears.... - I dont really like those dramas ...
That;s what comes to my mind right now but there are others... I have it at the tip of my tongue, another one like this one where the woman bosses the guy - ah I remembered it - ON HER WEDDING DAY
There must be more but i am out of time, so bye now :)
This drama is so predictable as hell ðŸ˜,but it's so much funnnnnn!!!It's like going back to watch dramas from…
it has to disappear bc his bro / King is a very very very psycho sociopath it is absolutely ****TERRIFYING scary***** it is real real real MONSTER, and he controls the Chairman.... Things will get super dangerous here very soon .... and in Joseon, it apparently ended very badly. She does not even remember the masked man.
That scene with Lapdog and HY telling him off was extremely powerful. I am glad Lapdog actor is stepping forward. The drama needs him!!!! As well as Lawyer's wife. Those two seasoned actors with some good script should help to save this Titanic drama...
for a change, JM acted smart to copy before returning :) and NOT say anything...
And we know which button to push to make JH change his mind - he needs to start thinking he was fated to meet SR way back then :) and for that to happen, SR has to UNDERSTAND FINALLY why JH liked JM ---- SR kept asking JM what JH saw in her, and JM knows what JH saw in her bc he told her!!! and JM still did not tell her sister. DumbMi is not only dumb, but majorly cruelly selfish and inconsirerate to others.
>>> JH TOLD JM WHY HE LIKED HER, AND JM SHOULD HAVE TOLD SR, BUT DID NOT ..... bc .... JM ALWAYS KEEPS SECRETS AND HIDES INFO .... BC SHE IS TOO D U M B TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IMPORTANT, AND TOO SELFISH TO CARE THAT HER HIDING INFO HARMS OTHERS - JM IS AS SELF SERVING AS SR AND GRANDPA, IT IS JUST THAT JM IS MORE POLITE ABOUT IT <<<<<
once SR understand that JH likes kindness and warmth, it will be a great incentive for her to change finally. SR IS A TOTAL AND COMPLETE 10000% SELF SERVING REACTIVE IDIOT NOW :) and she is gonna be as dumb as fu.k as long as she is in that 10000% self serving mode.
SR is actually quite an evil ignorant person, she keeps calling HY "mom" bc they have a business deal to snag JH and DreamGroup. SR does not care that HY is a serial killer - as long as SR benefits. Very same thinking as Grandpa.. Strategic thinking lmao Chairman, SR, JM are all the same.
And now the list of stupidies, i.e. lazy writing making plot on stupidities: BH stupidly keeps telling JH "if you touch my woman, I will kill you" and the conversation never goes ahead... SR is super stupidly selfish Sister-in-law adjuma is super stupidly BLABBING like this is not a cheabol family but a poor family at the market... Chairman's helper is stupid lmao another blabbing idiot .... why is he the right hand??? Chairman is totally stupidly arrogant... blind ... and his office door cheaply insulated so the entire house listen to chaebol private conversations... extremely strategic ... JM's family is stupid always leaving SH alone and with the door open... NO camera.... NO bell when the door opens...
There was no subs when i wanted to watch this drama earlier, so I watched the first few minutes of today (Fr) episode without subs. The scene of ML escorting FL home and talking in front of her house was amazigly well acted flirting, and the way it was filmed was super excellent and drove the point even more. E.g. camera standing behind G, so that you can see how he put his head to the side and tnen put *only* his head forward and REALLY close to EA, and how she was pretending to be nervous but LET HIM enter her personal space. It was such a masterful scene in every way. THE DEAL IS SEALED. Two two are on a fast sailing ship. He knows it, and she is starting to admit it to herself, and both are not ready to admit in public. But the ship is already on the high sea... :)
Yeah that scene of JJ meltdown and MJ calming her - was MASTERFUL acting and script To see the dilemma and the natural split - the traumatized animal screaming let's kill them both - and the calm voice of sanity saying stay out of that, that is NOT a proper revenge and will only hurt you bc you will have to live as a murderer.
So it is interesting that Chloe never resolved her trauma. So ... weird. You would think someone with such trauma will... take up yoga and pottery and art therapy, go climb Himalayas, go to some kind of professional counseling, run every day, etc etc etc etc etc etc - something to detox and restart all new - but no. For 7 years, she did not sleep and she lived in torment every day.
I say - she is a machohist :) Well at least she did not take to drugs, alcohol, or other addictions. At least she was a functional adult.
Ah consider yourself lucky then - you didnt watch Dynamite Kiss, or Our Universe, or Practical Guide to Love? cdrama Pursuit of Jade? kdrama Perfect Crown... ? Lucky you
I have just started watching this drama after watching many youtube reels and in the 1st episode itself, the FL…
Just passing through, I saw this. FYI in dying relationships. ppl think of other things instead of their date... and women are NOT obliged to fake attention to any guy :) ...
I saw the end of ep 8. It is called THE JOHN WAYNE MINE EXPLODES - ie. poker faced, no-communication, no-emoting, totally immature zipped up MChuR - goes full on in his HeTheToughMan mode, stabs, and runs
So did the audience expect anything else from John Wayne/Clint Eastwood Good Bad Ugly???? MChuR is written as a super immature character who 100% lacks skillZ to solve tough problems and to communicate. HE CANNOT TALK. Can he learn and mature enough in 4 eps... ? tough luck. The script threw him under the bus.
How MChuR behaves is very ... 1950s John Wayne HeTheMachoMan. Why would script writers still write John Wayne characters and the audience still like such behaviors???? It is year 2026...
Even the most handsome guy is ugly when he is grumpy and/or mean ...and has personality of cardboard... no warmth and charm ...
BL genre is originally and predominantly written by and for straight women. But nowadays a lot of different people…
Ok if that is how you look at it. I would find that super boring and useless :) It is a fantasy that does not help me learn how to better live my life. If I am watching some drama or a movie, I want to somehow enrich my life.
I dont want to watch it like a drug or alcohol that will take me to some delulu land where I can fantasize some delulu that will actually make my regular real life WORSE when I get off that
eg I watch a show where all neighbors are male and I love it .. then the show is over and I look at my non-male neibhbors and I feel disappointed and want to "kill them"
Nope, I dont want to feel like that after watching :)
But everyone is free to do whatever they want so if you want to watch stuff like that, it is your choice
Whover is intrested in the drama should watch it - isn't that obvious? lmao I am straight and I watched some lgbt+…
and fyi this strategy of divide and conquer has been always used and always worked .... about 1 mil black slaves coming into poor rural white South USA could have easily got together with the poor whits and overthrown the few rich ppl :) but ... the poor white ppl were bribed by allowing to diss the slaves and to feel superior ... and the black came from different tribes and hated each other and never managed to work together..
Pathetically dumb, you would say? YES INDEED
Everything works like that!!! GIVE SOME BENEFITS THAT DONT COST YOU A DIME - trade glass beads for gold ..... . and swindle the stupid and use and abuse them. Works like a charm :)
A very confident woman bossing a guy... and done in a quality drama... .... I can almost put my finger on it but I need to think some more. I am sure I saw that before :) and yes it is rare.
And that is different than tsundere :) In this drama, FL is not cold or mean, she is trying to be friendly, but she is just not taking any bs...
I will start rattling off some...
- My Wife is a Ganster 3 - omg hilarious to the point of rolling off the chair... esp scenes of translating the gangster female lmao those are CLASSIC you will see all over the internet...
- What is Wrong with Secretary Kim.... omg so funny......
- lawyer sister in My Father is Strange.... omg so funny......
- On Her Wedding Day - omg a classic... but FL is mean :) with Walking on Thin Ice ML .
Even Walking on Thin Ice FL can be counted in...
- I Need Romance 3 - noona and the younger guy couple
- The Witch's Romance (there is another Witch's love drama, I am talking about the noona reporter romance with Park Seon Jun) ..... ok FL recently had My Troublesome Star where she starts tsundere
- undercover agent in high school drama - cannot remember the name (the SIren's Kiss FL is FL there and she dates her clueless dumb school classmate - andyah she is mean ) .... ok ..... she also has Love in Contract where she is cold... i dont like that drama
- My Sassy Girl - a classic
- Graceful Family - she is super cool cold lmao this is a hilarious drama
- Heroes Next Door - female hero lmao I love this drama
- Ms. Incognito
- My Dearest Nemesis lmao
Now some really cold ones -
- MY MISTER!!! that's it that is what I was trying to rememer. THIS IS IT
- No Tail to Tell - ough ... this had potential but she stayed cold closed hearted to the end and I rate this 5/10
- Reverse
- the Art of Sarah
- The Divorce Insurance CEO
- Yumi's Cells season 2 - ah so slimey abusive sucking blood FL
- Filing for Love, currently airing - FL is a Cruella boss at the start and remains very cold and reserved
- Haunted Palace - I love that one. FL turns nice to ML in about the middle
Then there is kinda sorta partial FL cold ones, like:
- When Life Gives you Tangerines - probably would qualify...
- Iteawon Class... Nine Puzzles
- Motel California sorta
-Nice to Not Meet you and - GLory lead female villain
AND THERE ARE suuper tsundere **mentally ill unsocial ** FLs in It is Ok Not to Be OK.... Queen of Tears.... - I dont really like those dramas ...
That;s what comes to my mind right now but there are others... I have it at the tip of my tongue, another one like this one where the woman bosses the guy - ah I remembered it - ON HER WEDDING DAY
There must be more but i am out of time, so bye now :)
for a change, JM acted smart to copy before returning :) and NOT say anything...
And we know which button to push to make JH change his mind - he needs to start thinking he was fated to meet SR way back then :) and for that to happen, SR has to UNDERSTAND FINALLY why JH liked JM ----
SR kept asking JM what JH saw in her, and JM knows what JH saw in her bc he told her!!! and JM still did not tell her sister.
DumbMi is not only dumb, but majorly cruelly selfish and inconsirerate to others.
>>> JH TOLD JM WHY HE LIKED HER, AND JM SHOULD HAVE TOLD SR, BUT DID NOT .....
bc .... JM ALWAYS KEEPS SECRETS AND HIDES INFO .... BC SHE IS TOO D U M B TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IMPORTANT, AND TOO SELFISH TO CARE THAT HER HIDING INFO HARMS OTHERS - JM IS AS SELF SERVING AS SR AND GRANDPA, IT IS JUST THAT JM IS MORE POLITE ABOUT IT <<<<<
once SR understand that JH likes kindness and warmth, it will be a great incentive for her to change finally.
SR IS A TOTAL AND COMPLETE 10000% SELF SERVING REACTIVE IDIOT NOW :) and she is gonna be as dumb as fu.k as long as she is in that 10000% self serving mode.
SR is actually quite an evil ignorant person, she keeps calling HY "mom" bc they have a business deal to snag JH and DreamGroup.
SR does not care that HY is a serial killer - as long as SR benefits. Very same thinking as Grandpa.. Strategic thinking lmao Chairman, SR, JM are all the same.
And now the list of stupidies, i.e. lazy writing making plot on stupidities:
BH stupidly keeps telling JH "if you touch my woman, I will kill you" and the conversation never goes ahead...
SR is super stupidly selfish
Sister-in-law adjuma is super stupidly BLABBING like this is not a cheabol family but a poor family at the market...
Chairman's helper is stupid lmao another blabbing idiot .... why is he the right hand???
Chairman is totally stupidly arrogant... blind ... and his office door cheaply insulated so the entire house listen to chaebol private conversations... extremely strategic ...
JM's family is stupid always leaving SH alone and with the door open... NO camera.... NO bell when the door opens...
The scene of ML escorting FL home and talking in front of her house was amazigly well acted flirting, and the way it was filmed was super excellent and drove the point even more. E.g. camera standing behind G, so that you can see how he put his head to the side and tnen put *only* his head forward and REALLY close to EA, and how she was pretending to be nervous but LET HIM enter her personal space. It was such a masterful scene in every way.
THE DEAL IS SEALED. Two two are on a fast sailing ship. He knows it, and she is starting to admit it to herself, and both are not ready to admit in public. But the ship is already on the high sea... :)
To see the dilemma and the natural split - the traumatized animal screaming let's kill them both - and the calm voice of sanity saying stay out of that, that is NOT a proper revenge and will only hurt you bc you will have to live as a murderer.
So it is interesting that Chloe never resolved her trauma. So ... weird. You would think someone with such trauma will... take up yoga and pottery and art therapy, go climb Himalayas, go to some kind of professional counseling, run every day, etc etc etc etc etc etc - something to detox and restart all new - but no. For 7 years, she did not sleep and she lived in torment every day.
I say - she is a machohist :) Well at least she did not take to drugs, alcohol, or other addictions. At least she was a functional adult.
e.g. 17 ppl rated super low episides that did NOT air yet...
So did the audience expect anything else from John Wayne/Clint Eastwood Good Bad Ugly???? MChuR is written as a super immature character who 100% lacks skillZ to solve tough problems and to communicate. HE CANNOT TALK. Can he learn and mature enough in 4 eps... ? tough luck. The script threw him under the bus.
How MChuR behaves is very ... 1950s John Wayne HeTheMachoMan.
Why would script writers still write John Wayne characters and the audience still like such behaviors???? It is year 2026...
Even the most handsome guy is ugly when he is grumpy and/or mean ...and has personality of cardboard... no warmth and charm ...
I would find that super boring and useless :)
It is a fantasy that does not help me learn how to better live my life.
If I am watching some drama or a movie, I want to somehow enrich my life.
I dont want to watch it like a drug or alcohol that will take me to some delulu land where I can fantasize some delulu that will actually make my regular real life WORSE when I get off that
eg I watch a show where all neighbors are male and I love it .. then the show is over and I look at my non-male neibhbors and I feel disappointed and want to "kill them"
Nope, I dont want to feel like that after watching :)
But everyone is free to do whatever they want so if you want to watch stuff like that, it is your choice
about 1 mil black slaves coming into poor rural white South USA could have easily got together with the poor whits and overthrown the few rich ppl :) but ...
the poor white ppl were bribed by allowing to diss the slaves and to feel superior ... and the black came from different tribes and hated each other and never managed to work together..
Pathetically dumb, you would say? YES INDEED
Everything works like that!!! GIVE SOME BENEFITS THAT DONT COST YOU A DIME - trade glass beads for gold ..... .
and swindle the stupid and use and abuse them.
Works like a charm :)