I Understand what both of you are saying but you guys are missing the point. It literally has NOTHING to do with…
But again you miss the entire point & that's the issue that most Soo Jung defender doesn't understand. I KNOW SE HO IS CRAZY, that been stated a million & one times. I can go on & on on how evil he is but everyone knows that already. The point is as you stated "Soo Jung, all of the decisions she has made so far is deeply rooted in the fact that she believed Bok Soo betrayed her" & that the issue that a lot of us have. We get it she may have played into Se Ho scheme ( which I'm pretty sure is a fact), or maybe there are a plethora of other reasons that lead to the choices she made back then but what about now? Do the choices she makes now (even with her students) still not leave room for her to be criticized? The fact that people feel as though because we aren't holding up Team Soo Jung signs that it automatically means that we hate her, or we don't like strong female leads, or that we are doing it because she female, or that we don't understand that there is going to be character development is honestly f$#@ing stupid & at this point it getting old. Once again I love her character I just don't like some of the choices she made then (even though I understand why she did) or the choices she makes now (which you can't really make excuses for now). Understand that there is a difference between criticizing her from disappointment (meaning that we love her just don't like some things she does) & criticizing out of hate ( meaning that we are basically Se ho mother lol).
female leads get more criticism than male leads, especially if they aren't your stereotypical nice girl next door…
I Understand what both of you are saying but you guys are missing the point. It literally has NOTHING to do with the fact that she is a female. We know Se Ho evil, we know he was the cause of the rift, we know all this. The point is he the villain! Why are we going to harp on how crazy he is when we see how crazy he is. The issue with Soo Jung is not the fact that she's a female, it the choices she makes, even now 9 YEARS later. Don't get it twisted I love her character it good to finally see a strong female character BUT that doesn't mean that just like the MALE lead she doesn't have faults. The people who are in love with Soo Jung no matter what she does are the ones that are bringing the fact that she female into the picture. If you notice NO ONE. I repeat NO ONE has said anything about her being a female, weak, & or any of your "typical" female lead characterizations into the picture. The reason why we criticizing her has everything to do with the choices that she made & still proceeds to make. Example: When asked what do about him, she agrees with the majority (even when she thought he was right in doing it), even Se Ho was taken back & why did she agree? *insert flashback here* because of something he said + of what she thinks she knows about him from the past! You have to understand a lot of us are disappointed in her as of now, doesn't mean we hate her, some like me love her just dislikes her choice right now ( especially considering she a teacher & the history they have together).
1st when Se Ho told her about Bok Soo exposing her secret sheseemed hesitant & kinda in shockSe Ho noticed it…
I understand her behavior & that why I don't fault her on certain things like doubting Bok Soo or testify my issue lies in how everything plays out & her part in it. You are right that if all this took plays over a course of a couple days then that may make a difference but honestly not by much. 1) Testifying isn't the issue, I understand 100% why she did & honestly I'm not mad about that part. I'm mad that she never (from what we see) talked to him about any of the situations. I'm mad that she had no SOLID knowledge of if he pushes him or not, all she heard was save me & honestly that could be anything, it could even be a situation like what happened to her. She just bases it on hearing save me & seeing Bok Soo at the ledge. 2) That is a lot to process for a 17-18-year-old, for all three of them, one of them for wanting to jump, another for witnessing the jump & everything that cause it, and the last one for witnessing the end result. 3) I took it as at that time in the flashback, Soo Jung didn't play a part in what happened, he just knew that So He told her about the door (at least that what I think they were talking about) but after that he didn't know that the rumor was just the tip of the iceberg & the rooftop was basically the straw that broke the camels back. So in the present, he hates Se ho but he was hurt by Soo Jung because like he said, he gave her chances after chances to do the right thing &/or tell him what happened but her being stubborn & blaming only HIS part in the past, he got fed up. 4) I think her discomfort comes from him being the superintendent more so than anything, I think him wanted to bring Bok Soo back also played a part but other than that there were no signs that she even had a clue, including when he said the whole thing about her helping him.
He told the female friend before that he didn't like her & would never be interested in her so that really her knowingly liking him but not changing. She even knows about his love for Soo Jung, so am I going to blame him for telling her he doesn't like her & her completely ignoring it ...No.
1st when Se Ho told her about Bok Soo exposing her secret sheseemed hesitant & kinda in shockSe Ho noticed it…
I understand all of that but that still leads to the question of why not confront Bok Soo. Am I mad at her for believing him? No, she's human, I understand the doubt. Everything after is the problem, not asking him about it, assuming the worst when it came to the whole Se Ho situation base on what she heard & lets be real, what she thought he did to her, AGAIN when presented with the opportunity to address the situation, not saying anything (even if she just cursed him out), using the event that happen back then to justify how she acting now.. the list goes on. The thing that a lot of people arent understand is we understand everything that happened & we know she was a pawn for Se Ho (we know he f@#%ing crazy) the fact that YEARS later she still using that same excuse (while still acknowledging that he is a good person) is what the issue is. &&&& let's say she does know that something is up with the whole situation with Se Ho. Bok Soo still GAVE her a chance to say something, to make him understand and she didn't. I mean it even seems like crazy Se Ho also gave her a chance to make things right by asking her what they should do about him & she STILL didn't do any good. Hopefully ep 9 she starts to get her s#$t together or I going to scream!
Okay, I feel like I need to explain for all of us that are not the biggest fan of Soo Jung the main reasons why we aren't her biggest fans right now... Reason 1: SHE NEVER CONFRONTS BOOK SOO. Do I dislike her for reporting what she heard? No. Do I understand that it was a misunderstanding on her part? Yes. Am I aware that she may have fallen into a trap? Absolutely. The problem that I had ( like so many others) was that not once did she ask him why? Why did you tell my secret? Why did you push him? What were you arguing about? Even years later (9 years to be exactly) she still never ask these questions, even when things start to seem suspicious i.e rooftop scene. Lets not even get me started on how she just took Se Ho word for it. Reason 2: SHE DIDN'T EVEN BEGIN TO BELIEVE HIM Not once (after Se Ho told her about the door) did she question the information she was given or that she heard. This coincides with reason number 1. She never questions why he would tell people. She never questions where he was that day. Never question what he would have to gain from doing that. Never question why he would push someone who was his friend. Never question what they were talking about. Never question why Se Ho would scream save me. That doesn't even include questions that she should have 9 years later such as what did Se Ho mean by she help him. Never did she think "That doesn't sound like Bok Soo at all." These things really make us question if she really liked him as much as he liked her. Reason 3: SHE STILL MAKES EXCUSES. For her, everything that she does ( even if she has doubts) when it comes to Bok Soo must be right because he did wrong in the past. Saves her & helps her find what is she looking for? No need to say thank you because he did her wrong in the past. Bok Soo wants to go back to school? Call him a-good-for-nothing & try to convince him not to go (even tho she a teacher & he did save her life). He saves a student & gives hope to other students, & she asks how to deal with him? Let agree with a certain choice (even tho you really agreed with what he did) because its Bok Soo. * Before anyone try to come for me I do understand that in ep 9 she may become my favorite person but right now she's not.
Those are the three biggest reason but they're not the only reason. If I have to be honest I hate submissive female leads & was relieve that Soo Jung was not one ( I think that when she curse at Bok Soo I fell in love too lol). It, not her character that most of us don't like, it's her character's actions that we hate. The real problem is assuming that because we don't like the female lead that we must like submissive it- okay-that-you-try-to-kill-me-I-still-forgive-you-females instead of trying to understand WHY we may not like Soo Jung. Also thinking that if Soo Jung was male we would have less of a problem with it. WHY? Why can't we just dislike her personality or not like what she doing as of now? *think female lead in Introverted Boss*Most of us understand when you say you love her to death & back, so try to understand why we are more Team Bok Soo then Team Soo Jung. We fully understand that she has to grow as a character but that doesn't mean that we can't point out that although we love her, we don't like her right now. I love love love her but I hate her how her character is handling things right now P.s I have a love-hate relationship with Se Ho, I love a villain with depth.
Which role does Hongbin have in this drama? Which character from the Japanese drama is he supposed to be?
He the best friend of the male lead, he was the one that in the orignal the male lead lied and said the best friend needed money for his sick grandma.
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Although this is one of my top ten favorite drama now, I'll admit that the first time I tried to watch it (when it was outgoing) I did not like. It took 4 years since (which was last year) to sit and give it a chance and I fell in love. I understand it may not be your cup of tea but you should try watching it again, you may like it the second go round. There are some things to take into consideration tho. This drama came out in 2012 so think how far technology & hacking has changed, basing it off of hacking today may be a reason that the hacking parts bother you. Go in having no expectations with this drama, that was one of the issues I had when I first tried watching it, I based my expectations on the high ratings. This is one of those dramas wherein 6 episode you're kinda barely skimming the surface on what happened in the past. Yes, it is kinda predictable but it was still a nice ride. Just some advice if you ever decide to try it again.
About that twist I think it'll be hard for them to change it in the remake as it was essential to the plot. But…
For Anyone Who hasn't seen the original & doesn't want to know the ended don't go any further into this comment. You've been warned.
Maybe they will make it the same but also different if that makes sense. Like maybe instead of them being biologically related that they are foster siblings, siblings through married, or even just grew up together. I think what throwing me off is like @elvirad said that he makes remarks as if he's aware of who she is or who she may be. If you add those remarks & the way he was addressing the cop brother in the car, they give off different vibes like the brother is in some way related to his father dying & (maybe) his sister "disappearance". The vibe for that scene was a difference from the original where it felt like he could have been a murderer. Idk I could be reading way to far into lol.
i don’t even know how i’m gonna feel about them kissing knowing that they could follow the original. but i…
Exactly especially because as of right now they're pretty much following the storyline to the tee. Honestly, I'm hoping for the best because like some other people said in the comment section, I doubt Korea is ready for that type of plot twist. Shit I'm not ready for that lol
I have to admit that the original version is one of my favorite Jdramas (minus the big reveal..because... just.... no) but I hope that they do not go down that same road because I honestly don't know how I would take it for a second time.
Unpopular Opinion: I don’t want Jung Eum with the second male lead. I completely understand that he has feelings for her but there were plenty, PLENTY of opportunities for him to state his feelings but only when someone she generally likes comes along does he want to play the I loved you first role. && let’s not overlook the fact that he rejected her first when she was interested in him . He truly & honestly selfish for that. Now don’t get me wrong I love their relationship & I can see why people root for him but I feel as though he comes off too perfect idk why though.
&& don’t even get me started on one of the worst friends in history... the coach.
i was literally going through a kdrama burnout yesterday then i decided to watch kiss me (thai) and i managed…
I can see that I started watching it back when it just got done so it was more appealing then but yasss keep watching for mike & the chemistry is too cute
i watch turkish dramas too sometimes only thing is some of them are so hard to find subbed :(
@lololol I recently started one not knowing that it just started & damn near cried :D but honestly it does suck because both Turkish & lakorns are sometimes hard to find subs for
I go through kdrama burnouts all the time, my advice on a cure who be try a different country. Lakorns (Thailand dramas) are my usual go to but I recently started watching Turkish dramas to help.
Whole there are not too many JDRAMA remakes (Kdrama usually adapts a lot of Japanese Manga storylines) some successful…
How did I not know that there is going be a remake of one million stars falling from the sky especially because I loved that drama (it was dark & twisted & the plot twist still shocks the s$!t out of me) & I love Kimura Takuya plus Seo In Gook is going be in it ... I’m ready for it . I completely forgot about boys over flowers, probably because I just tend to block that remake from my memory lol && Mother I forgot about probably because I haven’t seen it.
Exactly, RMPW was my first JDrama I dont like Ogury as much as the Ishihara , but when I knew they were making…
Exactly I love Exo but Suho isn’t my bias so i wasn’t bias just because he was in it. I think people get so stuck on the fact that they love the original that they tend not to give the remake a chance ( especially jodrama to kdrama) it was the same way with The Liar & His Lover ... a lot of people were so stuck on the original that they weren’t giving the remake a chance.
1) Testifying isn't the issue, I understand 100% why she did & honestly I'm not mad about that part. I'm mad that she never (from what we see) talked to him about any of the situations. I'm mad that she had no SOLID knowledge of if he pushes him or not, all she heard was save me & honestly that could be anything, it could even be a situation like what happened to her. She just bases it on hearing save me & seeing Bok Soo at the ledge.
2) That is a lot to process for a 17-18-year-old, for all three of them, one of them for wanting to jump, another for witnessing the jump & everything that cause it, and the last one for witnessing the end result.
3) I took it as at that time in the flashback, Soo Jung didn't play a part in what happened, he just knew that So He told her about the door (at least that what I think they were talking about) but after that he didn't know that the rumor was just the tip of the iceberg & the rooftop was basically the straw that broke the camels back. So in the present, he hates Se ho but he was hurt by Soo Jung because like he said, he gave her chances after chances to do the right thing &/or tell him what happened but her being stubborn & blaming only HIS part in the past, he got fed up.
4) I think her discomfort comes from him being the superintendent more so than anything, I think him wanted to bring Bok Soo back also played a part but other than that there were no signs that she even had a clue, including when he said the whole thing about her helping him.
He told the female friend before that he didn't like her & would never be interested in her so that really her knowingly liking him but not changing. She even knows about his love for Soo Jung, so am I going to blame him for telling her he doesn't like her & her completely ignoring it ...No.
Reason 1: SHE NEVER CONFRONTS BOOK SOO.
Do I dislike her for reporting what she heard? No. Do I understand that it was a misunderstanding on her part? Yes. Am I aware that she may have fallen into a trap? Absolutely. The problem that I had ( like so many others) was that not once did she ask him why? Why did you tell my secret? Why did you push him? What were you arguing about? Even years later (9 years to be exactly) she still never ask these questions, even when things start to seem suspicious i.e rooftop scene. Lets not even get me started on how she just took Se Ho word for it.
Reason 2: SHE DIDN'T EVEN BEGIN TO BELIEVE HIM
Not once (after Se Ho told her about the door) did she question the information she was given or that she heard. This coincides with reason number 1. She never questions why he would tell people. She never questions where he was that day. Never question what he would have to gain from doing that. Never question why he would push someone who was his friend. Never question what they were talking about. Never question why Se Ho would scream save me. That doesn't even include questions that she should have 9 years later such as what did Se Ho mean by she help him.
Never did she think "That doesn't sound like Bok Soo at all." These things really make us question if she really liked him as much as he liked her.
Reason 3: SHE STILL MAKES EXCUSES.
For her, everything that she does ( even if she has doubts) when it comes to Bok Soo must be right because he did wrong in the past. Saves her & helps her find what is she looking for? No need to say thank you because he did her wrong in the past. Bok Soo wants to go back to school? Call him a-good-for-nothing & try to convince him not to go (even tho she a teacher & he did save her life). He saves a student & gives hope to other students, & she asks how to deal with him? Let agree with a certain choice (even tho you really agreed with what he did) because its Bok Soo.
* Before anyone try to come for me I do understand that in ep 9 she may become my favorite person but right now she's not.
Those are the three biggest reason but they're not the only reason. If I have to be honest I hate submissive female leads & was relieve that Soo Jung was not one ( I think that when she curse at Bok Soo I fell in love too lol). It, not her character that most of us don't like, it's her character's actions that we hate. The real problem is assuming that because we don't like the female lead that we must like submissive it- okay-that-you-try-to-kill-me-I-still-forgive-you-females instead of trying to understand WHY we may not like Soo Jung. Also thinking that if Soo Jung was male we would have less of a problem with it. WHY? Why can't we just dislike her personality or not like what she doing as of now? *think female lead in Introverted Boss*Most of us understand when you say you love her to death & back, so try to understand why we are more Team Bok Soo then Team Soo Jung. We fully understand that she has to grow as a character but that doesn't mean that we can't point out that although we love her, we don't like her right now. I love love love her but I hate her how her character is handling things right now
P.s I have a love-hate relationship with Se Ho, I love a villain with depth.
Maybe they will make it the same but also different if that makes sense. Like maybe instead of them being biologically related that they are foster siblings, siblings through married, or even just grew up together. I think what throwing me off is like @elvirad said that he makes remarks as if he's aware of who she is or who she may be. If you add those remarks & the way he was addressing the cop brother in the car, they give off different vibes like the brother is in some way related to his father dying & (maybe) his sister "disappearance". The vibe for that scene was a difference from the original where it felt like he could have been a murderer. Idk I could be reading way to far into lol.
&& don’t even get me started on one of the worst friends in history... the coach.
I completely forgot about boys over flowers, probably because I just tend to block that remake from my memory lol && Mother I forgot about probably because I haven’t seen it.