Kai

I see, that happens a lot actually. I guess I was a little more disillusioned, and perhaps expected something slightly different than you might have, from my first time.

Thanks for the convo girl, it's good to exchange opinions from time to time 😁
I actually agree with you. For me, I believe everyone has the right to do whatever they want as long as they don't harm anybody else in the process. I might see the social impact something could have, but it doesn't mean that I disagree with anybody's right to watch it or produce it.
Have an awesome rest of the day!

Im with you on that. Haven't had a convo on MDL for ages. It's kinda refreshing 🙌🏼

Sorry to hear that, especially if you felt like you needed that convo. My parents have always been very open (we're not exactly your typical Korean American fam). I could always chat with them about anything, really, including all the embarrassing stuff, without any awkwardness. I realize I was lucky that way. But I'm not sure I'd be trying to forbid my kids from watching such shows, or anything really - that is, if I ever had any (not gonna lie, that might be kinda hard😉). I'd rather just talk with them, and explain things.

Good for you :) You must be having a very bad day. Hopefully it gets better soon, dude. You obviously like to speak up, so maybe a role in congress, defending the freedom of speech in our beautiful diverse country would help with relieving some of that pent-up stress? I feel it might be a more productive use of ur talents than wasting your time on me :)

I know it might sound surprising, but some people like certain things, and yet they are able to see how they might be flawed. Having said that, I thought you didn't like the show. Why are you wasting your time?

Wow, you seem angry. Are you ok? Do you need any help?

I never said romanticizing in itself was wrong. I said it was wrong to romanticize and justify toxic and unhealthy behaviors. There is a difference between those two things.

I don't want to do anything about Cutie Pie at this point. Not much can be done, seeing that the filming has already wrapped up . What I am hoping for, however, is that in the future there are more shows in which when one of the MCs tries being controlling, manipulative etc., he gets called out on it by the other MC, or at least others. I wish future BLs don't justify toxic behaviors, even if they portray them. I have nothing against showing toxic behaviors, as long as we as viewers get to see what the many consequences of those are, and they aren't justified nor normalized.

I don't see anything strange about liking a show and being aware of its flaws at the same time :) I am not criticizing Cutie Pie or Tharntype because I don't like them. If I didn't like them, I wouldn't be here spending my time chatting about them in the first place. I have no time in my life to spend on stuff I don't like. It's similar to relationships: the fact that I adore my bf doesn't mean I don't see that there are certain.....let's call them "areas for improvement" there 😉😁 That I see the good and the bad in people or things doesn't mean I don't like those people or things. It just means that I exercise critical thinking 😁😁😁😉

Sometimes I think the novels these BLs are based on are written by people who are way older than the characters they portray, which is why they create MCs who they wish their (grand)children were 🙄😜 (read: I'm a good boy 😁)

I agree that education is key, but we aren't able to educate everybody. Unfortunately, that's just not realistic, nor is it feasible.

Actually, I like Tharntype a lot, but fu##, this show is full of issues. The fact that I see those issues and criticize them has nothing to do with whether I like the show or not. 🤷🏻

Besides, whether I like the show or not is not the point. I believe that when toxic behaviors are romanticized and justified it is a problem. Not for me, but generally speaking. And it has nothing to do with rural living, which in itself is neither good nor bad.

I believe in freedom of artistic expression as well. The fact that I SEE problems with this show doesn't mean I want to censor it. But that doesn't mean that I think this show is well-written either. There are a lot of movies and shows depicting certain unhealthy behaviors in a way that doesn't outwardly say "this is bad", but at the same time shows the consequences of such behaviors and - most importantly - doesn't romanticize them. It's the fact that toxic behavior is romanticized and justified here is what bothers me most. It's just not cute. It impacts the perception of such behaviors in a very unhealthy way.

LMAO this comment is gold.
Damn, he really SHOULD learn how to do that asap.

Word.

Hahaha, I think it's just lazy screenwriting 😜

I like this show, more or less, that's why I watch it and am going to continue watching it. I'm not a crusader, I'm just trying to point at certain issues this show has, as well as to explain why they are indeed a problem.
And nobody said this show, or any other, is going to influence abusers. No abuser, like you say, is going to stop being an abuser, because of a tv show. I wish, LOL. The problem here is that this show might influence the perception of the general public, or at least some people who are young and inexperienced. It might make them think that it's ok to tolerate certain behaviors. That they are normal. And this is NOT ok.

Please see my comment in response to bri73, regarding the exact same matter.

If fiction normalizes and romanticizes toxic behaviors, that's a BIG problem. Because no, not everybody watching is a fully formed adult with flawless critical thinking. And even adults often seem to have rather big problems with distinguishing between reality and fiction (case: fake news). But for the argument's sake, let's just focus on young adults and teenagers - do you really think that if many tv series you admire and like show you how supposedly "ok" it is to have a toxic partner, this won't ever affect anybody? That at least some people won't think: ok, my bf is controlling af, but that's ok, cuz Lian was the same? That's why influencers are called influencers: because they influence people's behavior and way of thinking. And a popular tv show is a non-human influencer.

You are right that emotionally healthy adults should be able to distinguish between fiction and reality - at least in theory, and at least when it comes to extreme behaviors. However, Cutie Pie is not (as a whole) R-rated. You are entering dangerous territory here, where a lot of teenagers watch this show. Young people can be impressionable and this show normalizes toxic behavior. What is even worse, this show is not about extreme behaviors. That's the problem with toxic behaviors that they are often hard to pinpoint, and a grey area where some people, especially coming from a toxic background themselves, can have a problem with unambiguous distinction between what is right and wrong. That's why so many people have problems with noticing toxic partners at first, and in result get into unhealthy relationships. This show romanticizes and normalizes toxic behaviors, when it should criticize them.
Regarding my comment about bottoms taking orders, this wasn't me assuming that bottoms are supposed to behave in some way or another. Being a bottom, a top, or verse is 100% an individual thing. Every person is different, and their expression of this is different. Some people like to bottom in bed, but are full-time doms outside of it. Regardless of whether they are what some people like to call a power bottom, or a submissive bottom etc., they should NOT be expected to follow their partners' orders in real life, unless they clearly state this is a part of their bdsm game. What your sexual preference is should never dictate how you are treated by your significant other outside of when you're having fun time together. And if a show suggests anything else, I have a problem with it. Despite liking this series in general.

Word! Agree 100%

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That's what I've been saying all along, although not in so much detail. Glad we agree 😁😁😁