50eps in and I can’t believe the notion is even being entertained that Seol Ah getting back with Jin Woo. He cheated, threw away the mistress when he suddenly wanted his wife back now that he can’t have her, and never properly addresses it. Just makes the excuse that he is lonely. He constantly manipulates and abuses his power on everyone. Stalks and refuses to leave the wife alone. Makes demands, deceives her constantly to get sympathy….endless crap.
They also make the second lead who completely changed her for the better suddenly the most weak willed person in existence. It is obvious they are pushing her back with the ex husband. I just don’t understand, is this notion of abuse and manipulation supposed to be funny?
Can’t you see how hard I’m trying when you are thinking of another man? Shouldn’t you feel sorry for me when I cheated on you? I’m acting like a spoiled man child every chance I get. Constantly grabbing and holding you and not letting go when you ask, faking injuries, threatening to not let you work as an announcer unless you date me for a month. Yes, clearly the guy to root for. All while she is suddenly super naive, as if that would be possible.
I swear I can’t stand any character in this show. The second lead chef would be great if he wasn’t a complete pushover in everything he does. Every other character is boring or revolting.
This actually happened almost a week ago, and another actress unfortunately also took her own life around the same time. That being a Korean actress Oh In Hye. I always worried about something happening with her given how much hate she received.
To say they took liberties is a complete understatement. Other than the names, it seems to have no correlation with the novel sadly. I mean even the personalities are completely different. Sigh....
Out of curiosity, should the drama keep getting pushed back, is there a possibility of it never airing? Has there been cases with dramas that have completed filming never being released on any medium?
There is another drama that I have been waiting on "God of Lost Fantasy" that seems to be going through the same thing, but seemingly with less hype. Not sure if anyone here is able to find information on it, but I would be grateful if you are able.
Not to mention how the entire show seemed to center around the lead being steadfast and unchanging in his convictions,…
Probably long, but I do enjoy seeing your perspective on this. I think when I saw sociopath I immediately set a sort of ground rules on the character. I probably should never do so in dramaland, but midway in it was still following the overall set. That led me to being somewhat blindsided when they changed the narrative of her character.
I wasn't attached to either female to be honest, I just found more reasons for him to like the second lead over the main. For me, I didn't see him ending up with either character, but rather take a step back to pursue his goals and take care of everyone around him.
Obviously I am not an expert on the situation, and I am only going off what I have read over the years. Think I got interested back when I use to watch criminal minds.
In terms of being a sociopath, you are right that it is associated with antisocial personality disorder, but it is the most extreme form. At the most mild of cases they can have a tiny bit of empathy, but it won't stop them from doing what they want. It makes the small empathy they have incapable of stopping them from doing something they know is wrong. Obviously this a bigger discussion than a drama probably intends to convey, but I believe they shouldn't have said she was a sociopath if they were going to be give and take on the actions such an individual might take.
In terms of therapy, from what I remember, it is supposed to be done in childhood when the signs are being shown. They also illustrated this point in the show, but the issue is that they specifically showed the mother brushing it off. She actually encouraged the behavior, and there was no indication of her trying to curb it from then on. It might have been her trying to joke about it, but I don't see how a child with those symptoms would be able to identify that.
I was into the female lead up until midway because I thought wow, they are really showing all the characteristics and not holding back. A sociopath fit the narrative of CEO Jang as well as he was also showing the same traits. So I figured they were showing two individuals strive for power on opposite sides. It is also why I thought CEO Jang liked Yi Seo so much as she was essentially a younger version of himself. She is very intelligent/driven and has little regard for other's emotions and opinions. She was striving for power above all else. Her love, along with her statements of "I'll destroy you if you get in my way......I always get what I want".....fit the narrative.
I haven't read or seen anything where a sociopath is capable of love over time. If anything, it seems to decrease over time or immediately upon getting whatever gratification they initially sought out.
That was why the whole thing was interesting to me, but I never once thought he would reciprocate, and that they would suddenly start adding in more emotions for her character. It came out of nowhere for me, because I was still viewing it under the assumption she was a sociopath.
But overall, I'm glad you and many others found another drama to enjoy. I'm about to start either romantic doctor 2 or beautiful love, wonderful life. Here is to hoping the second was as good as the first.
Not to mention how the entire show seemed to center around the lead being steadfast and unchanging in his convictions,…
The kneeling / corruption correlation comes from their intention to tie it to the original scene and outcome. Maybe I didn't word everything correctly. I didn't like the aspect of showing a scene to highlight the character's stand against a perceived wrong or injustice, and then using that scene for something unrelated. I didn't see the purpose of throwing it in for a cliche. If it was anything other than the female lead getting kidnapped as a staple to show how evil a character is, I might have looked at it differently. It wasn't meant to show a growth of character but rather to tie up a pointless scenario for the show.
Like you said, if it had been anyone else would he have done it? Of course he would have, but the writers didn't do that because it was something completely devoted to showcasing his love for the female lead. There was very little of any display of love for the two of them until that point. They were down to the last few episodes, had no time, and decided to chuck in a cliche to make up for it. Maybe that is just my perspective of it.
Agreed on romance, it is all a difference of opinion.
In terms of the female lead I guess it agitates me more because we were told on multiple occasions that she was greater than a 70% chance of being a sociopath. She quite literally exuded every characteristic of one throughout the show, but now she can love? She is either a sociopath, incapable of love, and this was just another manipulation. Or she is not a sociopath, and is just a terrible person for practically everything she did to those around her other than the male lead. Either way, it bugged me. It felt like they tried to draw this parallel between the two as socially inept, but at the same time make one a sociopath? Am I missing something? /shrug
Not to mention how the entire show seemed to center around the lead being steadfast and unchanging in his convictions,…
For which, the 180 aspect? From my perspective the female lead was fairly horrible to just about everyone in the show. The male lead has to confront her several times about this, and has also told her several times that she needs to stop clinging on to him. This was a staple for a majority of the series, and yet with a couple episodes left he suddenly loves her?
They practically shoved it down everyone's throat from the very beginning that he doesn't change. No matter what he won't kneel or succumb to corruption. Even when he knew it would cost his father everything he wouldn't do it, and that was what made his father proud of him. So naturally they have to put a scene in the show where he kneels to the same guy for love? Really? Not to mention that the show of course devolved into the damsel gets kidnapped oh no scenario to end the show.
He steadfast loves the second female lead (even telling her multiple times I will make sure to protect you and make you quit), and then all of a sudden changes because of what? A stalker-ish approach to courting? I love you, okay I don't feel the same. I love you, you are making me uncomfortable. I love you, okay I guess I love you now............
Am I really suppose to root for the female lead who goes around telling everyone she will destroy them if they get in her way? I guess obsession is suppose to be love in this story? Was it that hard to just let him end up with no one if he truly fell out of love with the second lead?
They started building up the show with a bonding through hardship approach. They addressed a lot of stereotypes and negativity, and dealt with it pretty well. They took characters and slowly showed them growing (well most of them), and then on a dime throw it all away for more hit a runs, kidnapping, assaults, and forced love. Just left a nasty taste in my mouth overall. Again, just my opinion.
I really enjoyed the first half of the show, but my enjoyment sure tanked from that moment forward. The chemistry…
Not to mention how the entire show seemed to center around the lead being steadfast and unchanging in his convictions, yet somehow does a 180 with a few episodes left.
I really enjoyed the first half of the show, but my enjoyment sure tanked from that moment forward. The chemistry with the forced relationship was extremely off putting from my perspective. It felt like a completely different writer came in midway and put almost every cliche possible for some reason.
I do want to see Nara in some more diverse roles than the one she seems to be stuck in.
To be honest, SooAh and Saeroyi had better chemistry than Yiseo and him
It felt overly forced in my opinion, and actually drew me out of the drama towards the end. The show banked for 10+ episodes on the fact that the male lead "doesn't change". Guess they decided to chuck that out the window.
in the past i loved watcing these weekend family dramas with around 50episode and 1hour runtime. but i guess these…
Only one network has been doing it (KBS), the latest being Love is Beautiful, Life is Wonderful. It says 100 episodes, but its just the 50 episodes doubled because they cut the 1 hour runtime to 30min. Once Again, just started as its replacement, as the former just ended.
They also make the second lead who completely changed her for the better suddenly the most weak willed person in existence. It is obvious they are pushing her back with the ex husband. I just don’t understand, is this notion of abuse and manipulation supposed to be funny?
Can’t you see how hard I’m trying when you are thinking of another man? Shouldn’t you feel sorry for me when I cheated on you? I’m acting like a spoiled man child every chance I get. Constantly grabbing and holding you and not letting go when you ask, faking injuries, threatening to not let you work as an announcer unless you date me for a month. Yes, clearly the guy to root for. All while she is suddenly super naive, as if that would be possible.
I swear I can’t stand any character in this show. The second lead chef would be great if he wasn’t a complete pushover in everything he does. Every other character is boring or revolting.
Song Yoon Ah (loved her in Mama, and stole the show in k2 imo)
Kim Hye Soo (Signal)
Kim Seo Hyung (Nobody Knows.......literally slept on this originally. She is fantastic, and I hope she gets more lead roles.
Kim Hyun Joo (something about her that always draws me into a drama)
Chae Soo Bin (I'm Not a Robot)
There is another drama that I have been waiting on "God of Lost Fantasy" that seems to be going through the same thing, but seemingly with less hype. Not sure if anyone here is able to find information on it, but I would be grateful if you are able.
I wasn't attached to either female to be honest, I just found more reasons for him to like the second lead over the main. For me, I didn't see him ending up with either character, but rather take a step back to pursue his goals and take care of everyone around him.
Obviously I am not an expert on the situation, and I am only going off what I have read over the years. Think I got interested back when I use to watch criminal minds.
In terms of being a sociopath, you are right that it is associated with antisocial personality disorder, but it is the most extreme form. At the most mild of cases they can have a tiny bit of empathy, but it won't stop them from doing what they want. It makes the small empathy they have incapable of stopping them from doing something they know is wrong. Obviously this a bigger discussion than a drama probably intends to convey, but I believe they shouldn't have said she was a sociopath if they were going to be give and take on the actions such an individual might take.
In terms of therapy, from what I remember, it is supposed to be done in childhood when the signs are being shown. They also illustrated this point in the show, but the issue is that they specifically showed the mother brushing it off. She actually encouraged the behavior, and there was no indication of her trying to curb it from then on. It might have been her trying to joke about it, but I don't see how a child with those symptoms would be able to identify that.
I was into the female lead up until midway because I thought wow, they are really showing all the characteristics and not holding back. A sociopath fit the narrative of CEO Jang as well as he was also showing the same traits. So I figured they were showing two individuals strive for power on opposite sides. It is also why I thought CEO Jang liked Yi Seo so much as she was essentially a younger version of himself. She is very intelligent/driven and has little regard for other's emotions and opinions. She was striving for power above all else. Her love, along with her statements of "I'll destroy you if you get in my way......I always get what I want".....fit the narrative.
I haven't read or seen anything where a sociopath is capable of love over time. If anything, it seems to decrease over time or immediately upon getting whatever gratification they initially sought out.
That was why the whole thing was interesting to me, but I never once thought he would reciprocate, and that they would suddenly start adding in more emotions for her character. It came out of nowhere for me, because I was still viewing it under the assumption she was a sociopath.
But overall, I'm glad you and many others found another drama to enjoy. I'm about to start either romantic doctor 2 or beautiful love, wonderful life. Here is to hoping the second was as good as the first.
Like you said, if it had been anyone else would he have done it? Of course he would have, but the writers didn't do that because it was something completely devoted to showcasing his love for the female lead. There was very little of any display of love for the two of them until that point. They were down to the last few episodes, had no time, and decided to chuck in a cliche to make up for it. Maybe that is just my perspective of it.
Agreed on romance, it is all a difference of opinion.
In terms of the female lead I guess it agitates me more because we were told on multiple occasions that she was greater than a 70% chance of being a sociopath. She quite literally exuded every characteristic of one throughout the show, but now she can love? She is either a sociopath, incapable of love, and this was just another manipulation. Or she is not a sociopath, and is just a terrible person for practically everything she did to those around her other than the male lead. Either way, it bugged me. It felt like they tried to draw this parallel between the two as socially inept, but at the same time make one a sociopath? Am I missing something? /shrug
They practically shoved it down everyone's throat from the very beginning that he doesn't change. No matter what he won't kneel or succumb to corruption. Even when he knew it would cost his father everything he wouldn't do it, and that was what made his father proud of him. So naturally they have to put a scene in the show where he kneels to the same guy for love? Really? Not to mention that the show of course devolved into the damsel gets kidnapped oh no scenario to end the show.
He steadfast loves the second female lead (even telling her multiple times I will make sure to protect you and make you quit), and then all of a sudden changes because of what? A stalker-ish approach to courting? I love you, okay I don't feel the same. I love you, you are making me uncomfortable. I love you, okay I guess I love you now............
Am I really suppose to root for the female lead who goes around telling everyone she will destroy them if they get in her way? I guess obsession is suppose to be love in this story? Was it that hard to just let him end up with no one if he truly fell out of love with the second lead?
They started building up the show with a bonding through hardship approach. They addressed a lot of stereotypes and negativity, and dealt with it pretty well. They took characters and slowly showed them growing (well most of them), and then on a dime throw it all away for more hit a runs, kidnapping, assaults, and forced love. Just left a nasty taste in my mouth overall. Again, just my opinion.
I do want to see Nara in some more diverse roles than the one she seems to be stuck in.