I need someone to explain why Haoming acted the way he did in the period before Yan asked for a divorce - rejecting…
He didn't believe she loved him. He thought she was acting. He only realized she was sincere when she asked for divorce without demanding any of his assets and quit her job.
Basically she doesn't want anything even remotely linked to him ( since she can't be sure she got her anchor position because of her hard work or because she was backed up by him).
He treated her like dirt, because he thought she was a gold digger and that she should be happy he was even willing to play the good husband to maintain the charade.
As for loving her all along... I'm at episode 21. I'm not sold on this idea as of now. For me he's starting to really understand how much she did for him and his family.... Also she's attractive so he wants her back.
Basically, he's mostly feeling guilty, though there's an ounce of jealousy there ( her accepting being helped by a stranger for her company instead of HIS money) and budding feelings.
Some people considers that he probably loved her all along, he just didn't know it... But honestly I fell to see this. For me, he's starting to have feelings now, because now he's really starting to see how much of a good heart she has, instead of just seeing her as this opportunistic and materialistic woman he thought she was...
But for me, it's still too early to call that love... Though... He's veeeerry cleaaaaaaarly attracted to her. But attraction is not love.
The kiss was... interesting. I was telling my screen "OH COME ON' GUYS. GET A ROOM!"
Also Hao Ming is turning really reaaaaaaaally cute in most recent episodes, so you'll end up warming up to him... even though he's still has a long way to go.
You know Hao Ming might be pretty book smart but when it comes to relationships he's below primary school level. 🤣🤣🤣
Of course, I enjoy watching him squirm to get back in his wife's good books, but I have to say, I do enjoy watching him acting all smug like he knows what he's doing only to be proven wrong time and time again.
This being said, so far (ep 19), I don't think he's in love with Xu Yan. He just realized she wasn't in the marriage for his money so he's feeling guilty for the way he treated her... but he doesn't love her... He just regrets that he has lost the ideal wife he wanted.
So now that they're both honest and open with each other, he thinks they can get back to a satisfying business relation... Except this idiot still doesn't understand that Xu Yan doesn't care about the money and status. She is of course an ambitious woman who takes pride in having made something out of herself without her parents' support, but the one thing she REALLY craves is love.
Hao Ming... Just stop with you endless calculations... Go LEARN about what her life has been before she met you, what she went through etc... That way you might be able to offer her something she truly values ( or not).
I think one of the biggest gift he could give her would be to make her parents realize how much they've wronged her and help her patch things up with them especially her father. But that's a long long loooooooooong way coming.
I'm rooting for him though. I can't forget the cruelty of episode 14... but I'll give him a pass because he's the ML and he genuinely wants to help her... not out of love for the moment but out of guilt... But it's still better than everything he's done before. At least, he's being sincere this time.
Also Jiang Lang... Not rooting for you either... You seem to be the same breed than Hao Ming. Why does this girl only attract the same type of a**hole?
Not a zealot (atheist myself) but don't blame Muslim in general. Only a few odd one are like that. It's the same…
As you say it's a few odd ones but also the loudest 🤬 Also I can't say for Judge from Hell but when My Demon aired, the comment section wasn't as polluted.
So basically both top reviews were written from people who watched at 4 + speed... So totally useless. The dude who gave a 1 didn't even bother to watch the whole series, if you check the comments of said review they admit they haven't even bothered to watch 13 episodes contrary to what their review says. They actually only watched 1. Wonderful.
Then we have the religious offended suspects. Muslims as usual. And I come from a Muslim family myself, been raised as one , but at least my family is not full of zealots, when they don't like how their religion is portrayed, they just don't watch it and move on, they don't go review-bombing said shows on all websites.
How many K dramas have portrayed demons, angels and whatnot in direct relation to Christianity? Do these shows ever get review bombed for wrongful representation of their religion? Do you need to be offended by every single thing all the time?
It's fiction. Grow up or Go away.
So reviews? Useless. Comment section? Useless.
I haven't watched the two leads previous drama together. I don't care about both of them as actors... since I haven't watched most of their projects... if any... I only care about the show... I was hoping to find something useful in comments or reviews to know if I should give this show a try given how much K dramas have mostly sucked lately..
But sadly one has to filter through all the dirt to find a relevant comment and there's also not many of them since they're buried under useless complaining about nothing. This comment section is as useful as the one for Queen of Tears except here, they don't even have a valid reason to get offended.
If you're one of these review-bombing zealots, please do answer under this comment. I'm using this as a post to block any member who wants to bring their political and religious agenda in a place where I just want to relax.
One zealot has already been blocked so they'll probably never see this post, but I always welcome getting rid of toxic members so please be my guest.
Viki isn't showing which episodes are gonna be released tomorrow - if any ( we got up to episode 19 today) and the forum's page doesn't have an updated picture😭😭😭
Everyone WeTV sucks! I cant even watch Express on my pc. it needs to be watched on their app so have to watch…
I used to have a We-tv subscrition but when I realized how much it sucks and most of their dramas are available on Viki anyway, I gave up. You can't even personalize how the subtitles appear, you can't directly pay on the website ( when I very scarcely use my phone in the first place), and using a VPN to have access to certain shows, particularly Thailand, doesn't work most of the time... AND WHEN IT DOES, you usually don't have access to English subs.
Guys someone said what if the child is of that lawyer 💀🙏
That's actually a pretty interesting theory... I read in a previous comment that Fang Lei had faked the report about the paternity test so that that Hao Ming was the father when her sister actually had the child with a painter, in order to still be part of Hao Ming's life... But that might have been a spoiler from the novel...
WHAT IF!
The lawyer was actually in love with Fang Lei's older sister and felt that Hao Ming stole her from him... Than, both broke up, and drunk, she hooked up with the lawyer who had always loved her... Then got pregnant, died and Hao Ming took the child...
Then years later, he learns that Hao Ming has a little brother and discovers the boy is actually his son. He might think that Hao Ming took the child in out of guilt not knowing that Fang Lei faked the paternity test...
That's pretty crazy... But would be a pretty wild ride if it happened to be true.
I’m watching this on Viki, does anyone know what time the episodes release on there? (please include your time…
For Viki basically IF Viki is behind Tencent, the episodes are released around 7/8 am (UTC +2) sometimes even earlier ( such as 5 am UTC+2).
IF Viki caught up with Tencent, the episodes are released at the same time i.e 12 am for me UTC+2 which is the case now.
Episode 19 to 20 (21 Express) are released today by Tencent.
Episode 17 to 19 by Viki. Viki can't release earlier than Tencent obviously hence the fact that the release time varies depending on how close we are to the main channel release.
I think we have a certain impression that older actors are more experienced ...but the truth is that they can…
Lol Doesn't work either. That could work if she had been from a farmer's family, leaving a rough life plowing the field... but she's from royalty... So basically after marriage and giving birth, her job was basically attending parties with her husband and caring for the kid... Which could be challenging if you were like most women i.e working on the side to support the family even if you weren't the breadwinner but not her.
Also there's a huge misconception about people living in the past dying young. It's actually a huge mistake. The average age of death was very low mostly due to the very very high rate of death for children. There's this misconception about having big families in the past but having lots of children was necessary since over half of them died before reaching adulthood. Basically if a child managed to live, your rate of survival would drastically increase and there's countless examples of people dying as old as we do now in the past... and I'm talking Roman Empire age here, not 100 years ago.
She's just bad. I know you wanna be nice, but let's not bother. She sucks.
I... don't get the hype. I'm on the verge of dropping this one. Too many game scenes which ultimately becomes pretty boring at some point ( If I wanted to watch e-sport... I would watch e-sport, I'm here for the story not the competition though obviously featuring some scenes is necessary) but more importantly, characters all repeatedly make the same mistake which is ruining their team's hard work due to their inflated ego... and this is something that I find not only extremely ANNOYING but which I just can't understand.
If you want to play games to brag that much, maybe switching to SOLO games might be better instead of dragging everyone's effort through the mud.
We spent quite a lot of time with each member joining the team. A stapple of any sport anime/drama/movie you name it... except here I feel it's too long and it ultimately becomes boring at some point.
But the final nail in the coffin is the character of Ye Qiu. Basically he's perfect. Not one single flaw. He's supposed to be the main character, yet there's no character progression at all during the whole drama. He's only the best and that's basically it... And since he's the best, there's absolutely nothing interesting about him... and hence we spend most of our time with EVERYONE BUT him, which is err... WEIRD considering the drama's name is based on HIM or rather the character he plays.
There's also some philosophical talks about LIFE through playing GAMES... And I'm not saying it's bad... But when You've watched as many sports anime as I did... it just feel like rince and repeat, though that's not the drama's fault...
ANYWAY... I started this one on the 17ht of August... I've got 13 days to go, and it will be 2 months... and I REALLY don't want to drag this one longer. Currently at episode 27. I don't want to drop it since I've already watched 2/3 of it but... out of all the shows I'm watching... It's the worse one. The issue is... 13 more episodes when you're completely disinterested and bored out of your mind is LONG.
I really don't get why it's such a loved show, I was really happy when it came to Viki, because I heard a lot about it... But I guess it's one instance where the Anime version is probably better.
Chinese drama tend to take their time in telling stories and I just don't think it fits the genre. Also Yang Yang is really handsome, but the face card alone is not enough sorry.
It's not a bad show per say... but it's not as good as advertised imho.
Her oldest project listed was done in 1981. She was 27. She's now 70. I would even argue that it's very likely she acted even before that but that there's no precise record on MDL. Maybe she never acted like an old person before... But gosh!
I counted... She acted in more than 180 DRAMAS! And I removed any drama in which she was listed as "Guest". Maybe it's the first time she's acting like a Grandma (though I doubt it obviously) but with more than 40 years of acting under her belt and almost 200 dramas... She basically has no excuse.
I'm sure the director didn't tell her anything because she's such a veteran, it becomes complicated to tell your elder that their acting sucks.
I know it's already been said... But I'm annoyed at the actress playing the grandma. She's acting like 90 or older. I've worked with people around the same age, my father is actually a couple of years older, my mum slightly younger than she is and not one of them is speaking and/or walking like she does. Now ok... She might have to act like she is unhealthy... But her voice speed doesn't match her age either...
She's literally acting all the time like she's on the verge of dropping dead.
When you're an old person, playing an old person... Just don't bother adding some "extra effects" to your acting. It just looks fake as hell. Makes me want to skip her scenes.
I’m on ep 11, but does Xu Yan heart disease play a bigger role in a drama? Except for the fact that she has…
Err in earlier episode it's already explained, she's been healed in her youth. Her grandma worked hard to be able to afford her treatment, unlike her parents who decided she just had to die since they couldn't afford to pay for it.
If we look at a realistic marriage POV, from a non-heroine-biased perspective (try to flip the character's reaction,…
There's no real debate here. People aren't outraged because they're stupid. Nobody is saying the FL is blameless not that the ML couldn't doubt her sincerity.
But at the end of the day, what makes people outraged is that she LOVED HIM, HE DIDN'T.
When the lies were exposed, there was no need to be cruel, nor to throw her love back to her face as he did. That's were he's more at fault. Also showering her with gifts to add to her guilt and making sure she doesn't tell him the truth. Pure manipulation.
He obviously saw she wanted to be honest with him but HE DIDN'T.
If that came from him being truly afraid his relationship with her fell apart, that would have been acceptable... But since it never came from him truly caring for her as she did for him, obviously most people are gonna be outraged. That's just basic human emotion.
You can get away with lots of things in a relationship if you genuinely care for the other party, but if one side is bleeding their heart out, and you just don't, you deserve to be left with nothing. All your money is worthless next to pride, dignity and self-love something he obviously has in spades but failed to see his wife did as well.
Waiting for a review written by somebody who watched this at normal speed to know if I should bother. Honestly Gen Z and younger speed running the watching experience, what is exactly the point I wonder.
Directors, scriptwriters, musical composers, actors... Everything is made to make you feel some form of emotion. I wonder exactly how you can get immersed in a story, when you don't even bother to let the story flow like it's supposed to. Silence have meaning, speed of voice, tones, looks, glances...
It's like going to these speed dates, discussing 5 minutes with somebody and saying the person is boring when you obviously don't know sh** about said person.
I'm not saying this drama is good since I haven't watched it, but 2 negative top reviews from two people when it's been less than 13 hours the drama's out is ridiculous.
These reviews have no value whatsoever, since they obviously haven't bothered to watch the show as it should have been. Hopefully, these top reviews are buried under good ones by next week, whether positive or negative.
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Basically she doesn't want anything even remotely linked to him ( since she can't be sure she got her anchor position because of her hard work or because she was backed up by him).
He treated her like dirt, because he thought she was a gold digger and that she should be happy he was even willing to play the good husband to maintain the charade.
As for loving her all along... I'm at episode 21. I'm not sold on this idea as of now. For me he's starting to really understand how much she did for him and his family.... Also she's attractive so he wants her back.
Basically, he's mostly feeling guilty, though there's an ounce of jealousy there ( her accepting being helped by a stranger for her company instead of HIS money) and budding feelings.
Some people considers that he probably loved her all along, he just didn't know it...
But honestly I fell to see this. For me, he's starting to have feelings now, because now he's really starting to see how much of a good heart she has, instead of just seeing her as this opportunistic and materialistic woman he thought she was...
But for me, it's still too early to call that love... Though... He's veeeerry cleaaaaaaarly attracted to her. But attraction is not love.
The kiss was... interesting. I was telling my screen "OH COME ON' GUYS. GET A ROOM!"
Also Hao Ming is turning really reaaaaaaaally cute in most recent episodes, so you'll end up warming up to him... even though he's still has a long way to go.
Of course, I enjoy watching him squirm to get back in his wife's good books, but I have to say, I do enjoy watching him acting all smug like he knows what he's doing only to be proven wrong time and time again.
This being said, so far (ep 19), I don't think he's in love with Xu Yan. He just realized she wasn't in the marriage for his money so he's feeling guilty for the way he treated her... but he doesn't love her... He just regrets that he has lost the ideal wife he wanted.
So now that they're both honest and open with each other, he thinks they can get back to a satisfying business relation... Except this idiot still doesn't understand that Xu Yan doesn't care about the money and status. She is of course an ambitious woman who takes pride in having made something out of herself without her parents' support, but the one thing she REALLY craves is love.
Hao Ming... Just stop with you endless calculations... Go LEARN about what her life has been before she met you, what she went through etc... That way you might be able to offer her something she truly values ( or not).
I think one of the biggest gift he could give her would be to make her parents realize how much they've wronged her and help her patch things up with them especially her father. But that's a long long loooooooooong way coming.
I'm rooting for him though. I can't forget the cruelty of episode 14... but I'll give him a pass because he's the ML and he genuinely wants to help her... not out of love for the moment but out of guilt... But it's still better than everything he's done before. At least, he's being sincere this time.
Also Jiang Lang... Not rooting for you either... You seem to be the same breed than Hao Ming. Why does this girl only attract the same type of a**hole?
Then we have the religious offended suspects. Muslims as usual. And I come from a Muslim family myself, been raised as one , but at least my family is not full of zealots, when they don't like how their religion is portrayed, they just don't watch it and move on, they don't go review-bombing said shows on all websites.
How many K dramas have portrayed demons, angels and whatnot in direct relation to Christianity? Do these shows ever get review bombed for wrongful representation of their religion? Do you need to be offended by every single thing all the time?
It's fiction. Grow up or Go away.
So reviews? Useless. Comment section? Useless.
I haven't watched the two leads previous drama together. I don't care about both of them as actors... since I haven't watched most of their projects... if any... I only care about the show... I was hoping to find something useful in comments or reviews to know if I should give this show a try given how much K dramas have mostly sucked lately..
But sadly one has to filter through all the dirt to find a relevant comment and there's also not many of them since they're buried under useless complaining about nothing. This comment section is as useful as the one for Queen of Tears except here, they don't even have a valid reason to get offended.
If you're one of these review-bombing zealots, please do answer under this comment. I'm using this as a post to block any member who wants to bring their political and religious agenda in a place where I just want to relax.
One zealot has already been blocked so they'll probably never see this post, but I always welcome getting rid of toxic members so please be my guest.
Viki isn't showing which episodes are gonna be released tomorrow - if any ( we got up to episode 19 today) and the forum's page doesn't have an updated picture😭😭😭
I only use We-TV to check the new trailers.
But that might have been a spoiler from the novel...
WHAT IF!
The lawyer was actually in love with Fang Lei's older sister and felt that Hao Ming stole her from him... Than, both broke up, and drunk, she hooked up with the lawyer who had always loved her... Then got pregnant, died and Hao Ming took the child...
Then years later, he learns that Hao Ming has a little brother and discovers the boy is actually his son. He might think that Hao Ming took the child in out of guilt not knowing that Fang Lei faked the paternity test...
That's pretty crazy... But would be a pretty wild ride if it happened to be true.
https://wetv.vip/en/play/hiw723xwp01jtp0/j4101h7id1u-Teaser_EP23%3A_Love's_Ambition
Watch it, you'll see... it's coming.
IF Viki caught up with Tencent, the episodes are released at the same time i.e 12 am for me UTC+2 which is the case now.
Episode 19 to 20 (21 Express) are released today by Tencent.
Episode 17 to 19 by Viki. Viki can't release earlier than Tencent obviously hence the fact that the release time varies depending on how close we are to the main channel release.
Also there's a huge misconception about people living in the past dying young. It's actually a huge mistake. The average age of death was very low mostly due to the very very high rate of death for children.
There's this misconception about having big families in the past but having lots of children was necessary since over half of them died before reaching adulthood.
Basically if a child managed to live, your rate of survival would drastically increase and there's countless examples of people dying as old as we do now in the past... and I'm talking Roman Empire age here, not 100 years ago.
She's just bad. I know you wanna be nice, but let's not bother. She sucks.
I... don't get the hype. I'm on the verge of dropping this one. Too many game scenes which ultimately becomes pretty boring at some point ( If I wanted to watch e-sport... I would watch e-sport, I'm here for the story not the competition though obviously featuring some scenes is necessary) but more importantly, characters all repeatedly make the same mistake which is ruining their team's hard work due to their inflated ego... and this is something that I find not only extremely ANNOYING but which I just can't understand.
If you want to play games to brag that much, maybe switching to SOLO games might be better instead of dragging everyone's effort through the mud.
We spent quite a lot of time with each member joining the team. A stapple of any sport anime/drama/movie you name it... except here I feel it's too long and it ultimately becomes boring at some point.
But the final nail in the coffin is the character of Ye Qiu. Basically he's perfect. Not one single flaw. He's supposed to be the main character, yet there's no character progression at all during the whole drama. He's only the best and that's basically it... And since he's the best, there's absolutely nothing interesting about him... and hence we spend most of our time with EVERYONE BUT him, which is err... WEIRD considering the drama's name is based on HIM or rather the character he plays.
There's also some philosophical talks about LIFE through playing GAMES... And I'm not saying it's bad... But when You've watched as many sports anime as I did... it just feel like rince and repeat, though that's not the drama's fault...
ANYWAY... I started this one on the 17ht of August... I've got 13 days to go, and it will be 2 months... and I REALLY don't want to drag this one longer. Currently at episode 27. I don't want to drop it since I've already watched 2/3 of it but... out of all the shows I'm watching... It's the worse one. The issue is... 13 more episodes when you're completely disinterested and bored out of your mind is LONG.
I really don't get why it's such a loved show, I was really happy when it came to Viki, because I heard a lot about it... But I guess it's one instance where the Anime version is probably better.
Chinese drama tend to take their time in telling stories and I just don't think it fits the genre. Also Yang Yang is really handsome, but the face card alone is not enough sorry.
It's not a bad show per say... but it's not as good as advertised imho.
https://kisskh.at/people/9579-toongkamanee-duangta
Her oldest project listed was done in 1981. She was 27. She's now 70. I would even argue that it's very likely she acted even before that but that there's no precise record on MDL. Maybe she never acted like an old person before... But gosh!
I counted... She acted in more than 180 DRAMAS! And I removed any drama in which she was listed as "Guest". Maybe it's the first time she's acting like a Grandma (though I doubt it obviously) but with more than 40 years of acting under her belt and almost 200 dramas... She basically has no excuse.
I'm sure the director didn't tell her anything because she's such a veteran, it becomes complicated to tell your elder that their acting sucks.
She's literally acting all the time like she's on the verge of dropping dead.
When you're an old person, playing an old person... Just don't bother adding some "extra effects" to your acting. It just looks fake as hell. Makes me want to skip her scenes.
But at the end of the day, what makes people outraged is that she LOVED HIM, HE DIDN'T.
When the lies were exposed, there was no need to be cruel, nor to throw her love back to her face as he did. That's were he's more at fault. Also showering her with gifts to add to her guilt and making sure she doesn't tell him the truth. Pure manipulation.
He obviously saw she wanted to be honest with him but HE DIDN'T.
If that came from him being truly afraid his relationship with her fell apart, that would have been acceptable... But since it never came from him truly caring for her as she did for him, obviously most people are gonna be outraged. That's just basic human emotion.
You can get away with lots of things in a relationship if you genuinely care for the other party, but if one side is bleeding their heart out, and you just don't, you deserve to be left with nothing. All your money is worthless next to pride, dignity and self-love something he obviously has in spades but failed to see his wife did as well.
Directors, scriptwriters, musical composers, actors... Everything is made to make you feel some form of emotion. I wonder exactly how you can get immersed in a story, when you don't even bother to let the story flow like it's supposed to. Silence have meaning, speed of voice, tones, looks, glances...
It's like going to these speed dates, discussing 5 minutes with somebody and saying the person is boring when you obviously don't know sh** about said person.
I'm not saying this drama is good since I haven't watched it, but 2 negative top reviews from two people when it's been less than 13 hours the drama's out is ridiculous.
These reviews have no value whatsoever, since they obviously haven't bothered to watch the show as it should have been. Hopefully, these top reviews are buried under good ones by next week, whether positive or negative.