Clinically-Insane

Why do Jarim and Jooyoung break up in the webtoon?
Doesn't Jarim have feeling for Jooyoung or what?
Will she end up with him or with Kyumgwoo?
I will break down if she ends up with Kyungwoo because i adore the development of Jarim relationship with Jooyoung and their characters. They just don't have feelings but also a sense to support each other which is something really rare in teenagers.
Just spoil somethings for me please.

Why did they break up?
Does Ja rim have feelings for Kyungwoo?
Or does she like jooyoung?

Are we gonna ignore 300+ chapters of webtoon episodes and 24 episodes of the drama about Ja rim and joo young relationship just to make Ja rim end up together with someone who she doesn't even have feelings for!
Nope...

What!
Generalisation is wrong especially when your statement doesn't define the truth about those people as general.

Yes but opinions (not backed by facts) means nothing in an argument especially when you're trying to prove your opinion right or proving the other wrong contradicting yours.

Yes i get it now that you've specified that your comment was directed towards those aggressive not DS's fan as a general. My comments were supposed to point out the fact that generalisation (which your original comment was based upon) is wrong especially when it doesn't help the fact or reality of the matter.

I don't know if your question is directed towards me defending DS's fans but if it is then my answer would be that i never defended their aggressive behaviour but others right to express without being generalised as biased, illogical and aggressive just because they have a non damaging opinion that maybe based on facts (atleast i have facts to back up what i say), if it isn't directed towards me and is just a question in general then a person being wrong or right depends on what he's depending. If he has facts to back up his argument or if he's defending the right thing being criticised about them or if he's defending something that he believes should be defended then that makes him an argumentative person not a wrong one. If it comes to the point where one can't differentiate between right and wrong, has no sense of argumentation backed by facts or is being illogical in a logical scenario then ofcourse that makes him wrong. I mean a person should be judged based on what he believes in and how he defends what he believes in (with actual facts and figures) not by what group he supports.

Well something based on facts should be considered real not something based completely on nothing more than a statement that's only based on personal opinion especially in an argument.
Again there is no excuse for them to act like that. I never defended what they did. I was only objecting to one and one point only and that's your original comment seemed to generalise people based on their preference of a fictional character over another (minority).
As i said every fandom has agrees a nonsensical people but people shouldn't be criticised or objected upon just because people of the same preference of a character (maybe for a different reason) in a drama are being aggressive to you which is what your original comment did.

Well i never really pay attention to the names but what is commented. If i think there is something wrong presented in a statement from my perspective then i try to prove my point of view against the comment. That's all.

But your opinion of generalisation is nothing more than an opinion, not a fact. I can pinpoint majority of people who are DS fans but still aren't aggressive but just argumentative.
Being aggressive or toxic is totally especially over the matter of someone expressing an opinion, there's no excuse for that. But actually establishing an opinion about a group people based on some people among them and then expressing that opinion on public platform is pretty much what being biased and aggressive is.

Actually HJP fans literally went to the Instagram of NJH and were basically the most toxic and aggressive fans of a fictional character i have ever seen. I don't know why you seem to think that DS's fans are majorly aggressive when NJH is basically insulated just based on the preference of people towards a fictional character.
Again being aggressive isn't justifiable whatsoever especially over an act of expressing an opinion.
I never objected to you commenting against people who are unjustifiably angry and aggressive but my objection was to your opinions of the fandom of DS which includes many who simply like DS.

Haha... i reply to many and argue with many others but you seem to be the one i discussed things with the most. It's a coincidence i think.

Actually I'm not offended or angry whatsoever but I'm am bothered by an opinion based on generalisation of multiple people who maybe aggressive or not to be labelled as people who are illogical and unable to grasp the reality of situations. It's irrelevant if i am one of those people or not.
Biased people are everywhere, i don't disagree to that but generalising people on the basis of understanding of a few people among them isn't what a person, who is critical of biased and illogical people, should do.
I mean biased people exist in HJP fandom too (just read the comments of those fans against DS, some of them are nonsense) but it's still wrong to generalise them as illogical and biased people. I mean i disagree with most of them but i never find myself actually regarding them as biased. I may actually call their argument illogical or wrong but never their mindset or understandings.
BTW i actually agree with argumentation and disagreement but never the establishment of an opinion about a person based on how he argues about something he thinks make sense. I mean every person is biased towards something in their life, it maybe wrong and illogical but we still find ourselves supporting and believing in it. That doesn't define a person but only the fact that human's logic and understandings can be affected by sentiments and emotions.
I guess my interpretation of people's personality and their understandings is different. I think humans are built not to be described in a few sentences, there's so much to know about one's personality and life.
I just found your comment depicting DS's fans as illogical and non argumentative that's why i expressed something i felt was wrong but at the same time i totally understand why you would feel that towards people even though i think it's wrong.

I'm a DS fan but i never ever argued with opinions and delusions like what you presented us to be like. Now I'm wondering who's more delusional and biased about something that's not even real.
Ok good luck with that but come when you have an opinion that can actually be justified with facts not more personal preference or likings.

Yes we do have a comprehensive sense of who DS is and how the writer has portrayed his characterization especially when it comes to romanticism and emotions. But of course he's still in development but that doesn't affect his characterization and basic sense of being a person. His character may develop which we haven't seen much in his character till now. So i don't know when or how his behaviour or actions were inconsistent with his characterization especially the points in his characterization that we are arguing about, that's his standard expression of emotions and basic definitive traits like his personality. The writers never had any inconsistency when it comes to his characterization but what i don't appreciate is the lack or slow development of character. The writers may be waiting for the time skip or simply don't feel the need to develop his character but that's totally different topic.


It's completely fine. Arguing in favor of what you feel should always be appreciated and i do so here.
Bye...

Ok so i get it when you have a preference.
But you practically did bash his characterization and his character arc. I don't know what you meant by your statement that i shouldn't be sure what's on your mind, i was arguing against what you wrote not what you may think. Your comment basically used a ML to glorify a ship you prefer which is literally wasting a character for the sake of basically achieving nothing. That's bashing.

Then i in no way will force you to argue on something you dont want to...
Bye.

Yes but i never epected you to agree to what i think. I'm arguing against your version of the storyline which basically used ML to nothing at all than to be basically someone who's not DS at all.
I already said that i understand your point of preference, i never objected to you stating it. I'm arguing against the points which you seem to use to justify what you prefer with non existent and inconsistent facts about the characterization of DS.
Characterization is important points of statement about what a character is and you can develop a character with accordance to what the characterization was through a time skip not completely change the character's values and understandings, which is inconsistent and bad storytelling.
I never talked about what i prefer, my whole argument is against you justifying your theories with nothing but more personal opinions and preferences.
And again i never insisted on DM ending up with DS (though i prefer it), I'll be fine even if they don't end up together. I much prefer a better storyline even if it doesn't have the ending i want.

Bye...?

Your argument is contradictory in itself.
Characterization (a description about distinctive nature and features of a person) absolutely affects the chemistry because the characterization is basically who they are not the character development(who they will be). A fine example would be the movie before sunrise (which is basically based on interaction between two people and their characterization but has nothing to do with character development).
Your original comment stated that character development is absolute for chemistry between two people which i find absurd. Chemistry is built through how characters interact with each other like you can feel in when DM interacts with DS and HJP. With DS she feels like someone in a romantic relationship but with HJP i feel nothing more than a senior and a co worker atleast till now. Chemistry isn't what one person does and wishes for the other person. How can there be chemistry between two people when one person doesn't even have any feelings or interactions with the other! That's beyond my understandings. I can see hope, longing and potential of a relationship (if they build a real one through time) but not a genuine chemistry till now.
The things you mentioned about HJP doing for DM is basically everything DS has done for DM but i never added those as something that can fuel a relationship. A relationship is all about expressing, support and presence not what HJP is doing.
While I'm at it, you're just considering what HJP feels or does for DM but not what DM feels or wants at all. A relationship or build up of a relationship is never something as mild as helping the other but the knowledge of knowing what the other person wants you to do. HJP never considered that but DS has at every point.
I'm tired of people pretending that what HJP has done is romantic when he has made so many mistakes in his inability to express but at the same time disregard everything DS has done for DM including knowimg the knowledge of her intention and expressions of his feelings.

Well storylines depicts what the basics of a real life relationship would be. You write a relationship between two people considering what makes sense to real people who connects real life with cinematic experiences that's why the concept of relatablility exists. You write what you're inspired by in real life despite the writer adding dramatics to make the story more interesting but the basics like feelings and expression of those feeling remains what we see in different people in real life.
The storyline is how the chemistry will be built and how the relationship will progress, i never objected to that.
But the fact that you think that character development has something to do with chemistry is beyond me. Character development may affect what their relationship will be but never their chemistry. For example in IONTBO you feel the chemistry between the leads in the first episodes and it's overflowing. What the character development does has nothing to do with chemistry but their relationship.
Look up anywhere you need to and you will find the basic definition of chemistry and that's interaction between two people. Chemistry and relationships are two different things. You may have chemistry but not suitable to be in a relationship.
Okay so i find DS interesting and find his story more relatable, that's why i feel the chemistry their interaction created for me not because i just saw them kiss. I feel they are beautiful together that's why i find their interactions with each other creating an interesting chemistry.
I can't understand the people's analogy when they say that HJP has more chemistry with DM than DS. I'm not saying DS and DM are perfect but it atleast outweighs what HJP has with DM till now. I am not saying I hate HJP and DM to be together but till this point i much prefer DS and DM together. I'm open to the development of their chemistry and relationship but till now i think DS has more chemistry with her.

Yes that's what they are mostly going for but my comment wasn't about that but was about your statement that the trait of sympathy decides whether a character is well written or not. You can feel more towards one character than the other and i absolutely understand that but what i didn't understand was you analogy of character analysis.
As i described emotions aren't only related to the trait of sympathy but many more trait of characterization.
Besides i feel people personal preference is necessary because it tells we connect with others but analysing a character on your preferred traits is not very effective and cinematic.

I absolutely understand and get it.

It's absolutely fine if you don't like him, after all we have our own opinions towards people.
Coming to your 2nd last paragraph. I know when you say accepting the fact that someone else's happiness isn't with you but with someone else and i absolutely understand it.
But your comment described the main character of a story to work the whole drama for a relationship just to be a plot device for FL to realise something as mild as whether she likes him or the other guy!!! Then you expect him to suddenly smile and be okay with it which you refer to as growth. Ok so let me say something that's reality not fantasy expected of someone else. Feelings don't change just because the one you like had feelings for someone else especially to the point where your world resolves around that someone. DS will be devastated because he's not a robot and i thank god for that. Your preference of HJP and DM is fine because we all have preferences, i get that. But what i don't understand is your version of DS in the story. You're wasting a whole character just to make the relationship you prefer more dramatic. That's absurd writing if it became true. DM can choose whoever she wants but atleast let the character have their own journey (especially a lead character) if not then at least let him be a human and express his emotions not someone who works 4 years for the only goal to be with someone (which is in itself absurd) not for his own good and then gets rejected by that someone but still finds it in himself to smile and accept it on the spot. You mentioned him showing off his success after 4 years which is totally inconsistent with DS's character.
I understand your preferred relationship but i absolutely don't get what you wanted to with the ML which was basically to be a robot which is the farthest thing from DS's real character.

Well a kiss is one of the most intimate interactions between two people in a relationship. If it feels right then it feels like a relationship. It's not like DS kissed her the moment he saw her. He built something with her through interactions, that's why she kissed him. She isn't kissing someone she knew 15 years ago but the DS present in front of her. I admit that at the speed they got there is helped by the letters but the relationship is built upon their trust, support and feelings towards each other.
I don't know why a beautiful kiss scene can't be considered good chemistry when a kiss is suppose to confirm feelings of people towards each other especially when they have built up to that point.

Nope.
Journey and well developed character basically has nothing to do at all with chemistry between two people. Chemistry is all based on how people interact with each other not how they intertwine in each other lives. Basically a person standing on the side can feel if two person are lovers, siblings or friends if you pay close enough attention despite every interaction above has the commonality of the fact that they are just interacting. Basically two very different people's lives my intertwine and there maybe an element of uncertainty but that doesn't necessarily guarantee a good chemistry because they may have different values, ideas and goals. You can only know if you're compatible if you interact. Interaction leads to bonds between people not their journey or well developed characters. Chemistry by definition is psychological and emotional interactions between people not their journey. Journey is how they come together and development of their characters guarantees nothing about their characters except for the fact that they may face hardships (which doesn't affect how two people look and feel towards each other). I don't know why you think a developed character is necessary for a good chemistry but i know people with their life and values still in the process of building but they are still in love and have a healthy relationship. The uncertainty part is just for the plot to be long enough for 16 episodes but in reality uncertainty has absolutely no effect whatsoever on a relationship between two people.
Coming to your point of their life intertwining, are you saying that people who meet at a wedding or a party will have less of a chemistry in a relationship than people who knew each other 15 years ago? That's nonsensical. Why does the how matter in a relationship especially a why that doesn't dictate anything else other than a story.
Anyways coming back to the drama, people are supporting HJP because his character garners sympathy from viewers not because he has chemistry with DM which is none at this point. They are confusing their like for his character with the matter of what reality of the situation is.
DM and DS are both under developed and are still in the process of building themselves and i totally feel their chemistry in how they act and behave around each other.

Your whole comment basically has nothing to do with the matter under discussion which is, "does the trait of sympathy in a character's arc affect the dimensionality, relatablility, likeability and most importantly the believability and ones intrest in the character's storyline?"
The answer is a definite "No".
Sympathy is a trait in a character's storyline not the definitive story, truth and reality about the character. A trait present or absent may affect the effect (minimise or maximise) of character's motives and reasons but never the qualities I mentioned above.
Take for example the ML in DOS which basically is a very well written character but there's not a shredd of sympathy in the traits of his characterisation.
Gaining of sympathy never really is a formula for a well written character be it a dark, grey or white character. It's a trait after all.
How you travel along the characters on their journey and believing the consistency of their journey and actions has nothing to do with a trait (sympathy) but all to do with the character's morality, understandings, values, priorities and emotions. I believe relatablility in a character's arc is more important than sympathy (which i think all the strong and unique characters lack) because relatablility connects us with the character and makes us feel a part of the character's universe. But if it's lacking, the character can still be carved to create great story lines like Arthur Fleck in the film Joker. You understand his actions, you even feel sympathy for the situation that lead the character to where he's at the end of the movie but you never relate to him or even appreciate his character. It's still a masterpiece.
The same can be the situation with other traits of a character, it can dictate what a character would be but never the credibility, believability or any other traits about a character.
Coming to the drama.
I feel sympathy and relatablility towards DS. Sympathy is towards his struggle with himself and the situations around him and relatablility is becuase i often find myself in situations he is in.
On the other side I feel appreciation and sympathy towards HJP and I'm sure you know why.