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I'm glad you find that unrealistic (the letters scenario for DM).
She started to like him before the lie was exposed. Like I explained in my replies to yours, it wasn't that she fell in love with the person behind the letters, she fell in love with the letters. The personality in letters wasn't HJP. It was HJP, grandma and HJP imagination so the letters could actually comfort someone. When she came to know HJP, it was clear she never was in love with HJP or was but time removed those feelings. She just used the letters to find a reason to shut herself down. She never allowed herself to experience different people but when the letters allowed her to see DS as someone she can love, she started to have feelings for him. She would have had feelings for any suitable person if she put an effort in it not just DS.

It's unrealistic for her to not find out about the false identity of DS. It was unrealistic for her to forgive him that easily but it wasn't unrealistic for her to forgive him after sometime and efforts on his behalf to make things right. But the writer messed it up.

Yes that's what I didn't understand. How's she in love with a person for 15 years and never bothered to looks for him. Like WTH is wrong with her! Then again she was in love with the letters and not the person behind it. Like someone loving a painting and not the painter.

Yes the ratings are just high without any reason. What are people even thinking!

That narrative (DS being superior and their relationship not being healthy from a professional POV) would have made sense if DS wasn't the way he is. He practically brought an under qualified person in his company just because he has feelings for her. So the idea of him throwing her to the side doesn't make sense considering his overwhelming feelings for her. I don't why he felt that way towards her but it's justifiable to think that DM and DS were on closer terms that she were with HJP. That was because DM and DS were both in the process of building themselves professionally while HJP was long past that stage. The struggles DM and DS faces actually do bring people to have a sense of understandings. Plus the false identity helped a lot in bringing them closer than one is to a mentor.
I am not establishing a power structure between them. I'm just explaining on why DM was closer to DS than she was to HJP and why it was realistic. HJP status did bring a sense of superiority one would respect but DS didn't. He was still building himself up.

Yes they butchered HJP for irrelevant and illogical love triangle. He was much more than that.

That's what I always felt DM was. That's practically the reason why I never wanted her to be with HJP. He deserved much better even from the start.

Yes I was more interested in her relationship with her mentor but only from a prospective of professional life. I wanted to know how they would turn efforts into success (not many does). But I always thought that the notion of DM and JP together didn't make sense in reality and from a logical POV. HJP was a different person, not one that DM either deserved or could handle. There was an overwhelming gap between them both as people and their personalities. Had it turn into a relationship the scenario would be something along the line where he would have to carry everything by himself since DM never had anything to offer, not even focus or consideration (like her relationship with DS). HJP deserved more and his feelings didn't even make sense. It was just a plot point where they just fall in love and be angelic even when the other party doesn't deserve it.

Neglecting my opnion of them not being able to fit, I think it's understandable from a kdrama viewer POV (neglecting reality) that he/she would want HJP to end up with DM but that was only till episode 6 or 7. Past that, no one should have any reason for DM to still be obsessed with the writer behind the letters even after 15 years. She developed new feelings for DS as a person and there's nothing wrong with it. I'm glad she was unaffected by the letters and carried on with her newly developed feelings. She just couldn't see HJP more than a mentor when she came to know him as the person who wrote the letters. Having feelings for someone through letters and actually meeting him are two different things. She loved his letters but couldn't love him. I hope that explains it.

Yes it was disturbing to see that DM treated the letters as nothing after finding out that HJP wrote it. The letters never were supposed to build something romantic but always something along the line of comfort and relevancy. They should have continued with that friendship but it became nothing for DM. Not every is about romance, humans can have different relationships with different people. Not every relationship is supposed to be connected to romantic one. DM never was a proper partner for HJP with the way the writer portrayed her characterization. It's one thing to feel sad for HJP pain but it is another to assume that they would have made a good couple.

Yes the plot had holes that were hard to neglect. Like how does a person in today's world (where chances of meeting new people are overwhelming) remain obsessed with letters! Shutting her self down to the world was unrealistic as hell.
How does she not recognise that DS isn't HJP when she's practically obsessed with the letters. I mean how hard is it to find out! How do people like HJP (a successful, intelligent and empathetic man) and DS (a genius) fall in love with someone as vague as DM! Like why didn't HJP move on especially when he knows how to handle pain and turn situations for the better. Like the whole plot didn't make sense.

Why would impoliteness be even something that's used in debate based of logic and facts. If one does use it then it's not a debate then but a scenario where people force others to accept what they think.

What I thought I the first episodes was that the letters were largely exaggerated and shouldn't serve as a reason for them falling in love. I believed by reasons that HJP was much more than just being a person with unrequited love or being with DM in a relationship. DM in that relationship wouldn't have served any purpose, he would have been just a person who can comfort her and carry her throughout professional and personal life. That's exhausting and not what a relationship should be. She didn't have anything to offer characterization wise. It was hard for me to picture them together even the writer tried to make me do it. There was an overwhelming gap both personality and mentality wise. Whereas I could picture her and DS together. They both matched.
Yes the letters should have served purpose which wasn't a romantic relationship. HJP deserved to thanked and comforted by efforts since he did the same for her. But we saw nothing and that's what's messed with the character of DM. SHE HAS NOTHING TO OFFER NOT EVEN CONSIDERATION OR FOCUS TOWARDS THE ONE SHE LOVE AND THE ONE WHO COMFORTED HER IN HARD TIMES. That was messed up.

Yes like how hard is it to know whether a person is a certain someone who you were practically obsessed with for 15 years!

I should have written that his feelings for DM served one of the two reasons for him to be a mentor to DM and DS. The other being his professionalism. That's what I originally meant. DM never saw the former and only the later. That's she never had anything more than respect for him and it shouldn't be expected from to fall for him. I mean don't mix professionalism and feelings.

Yes it was wrong for DS to lie so that she can have feelings for him. But let's think it from his narrative to understand (NOT JUSTIFY). He is horribly flawed for someone who we are supposed to root for. At the same time it's completely realistic that a person in love (for some bizarre reason) would do that. He felt it was wrong and even tried to tell her but was stopped by situations and people. When DM found out about the lies she already had feelings for him so it's also completely realistic for her to forgive him. The exposure of truth in no way served a reason for DM to love HJP and that's what I am trying to say. There weren't many scenes where I felt that HJP should be with DM from both their perspective and there were overwhelming amounts of time where I felt they didn't fit together at all. He was not someone she deserves or can love. He was just different.

Yes it is her flaw to be ignorant but at the same time it was bound to be that way. She was an ignorant person and HJP never expressed who he was or how he felt before it was too late for those reasons to have an effect on her. HJP saw through her feelings and remained a person who was stubbornly in an unrequited love situation which didn't make sense and served no purpose character or plot wise.

I like that quality in a person who knows what she/he wants and doesn't give false hope. I don't know why you would consider that a flaw. I was happy she treated him like that which should have served as a kick-start for him to have his own journey but the writers somehow thought that it is realistic otherwise. Like I said HJP feelings towards DM didn't make sense. Had she treated him different would have made me hate her character. She had feelings for DS and at this point it was late for her and HJP to be together. She never treated him as trash but someone she liked to move on from her because he deserved happiness not unrequited love. I would have loved this if the writer made him move on but they presented it as something which hurt him more. Her character had no fault but the writer's intention did. Other way around the situations would have been DM clearly explaining what she felt to HJP and offered him friendship and consideration he deserved. Him moving on with that explanation and finding his own happiness with friends (DM) and family (grandma) around. It's not like the end of the world for him to find someone else who's better and more suitable for him. But the writers didn't do so and messed him up.

Jon Snow ending was nightmare for me to accept but I still somehow did.

Well that's what concerns me. It never was romantic to be obsessed with letters for 15 years and shutting oneself to the world. That's unhealthy and unrealistic. Like does one have a life after falling in love once!
Obsession and unhealthy act of refusing to move on is not ROMANTIC, it's destructive. That's why I said that even if DM and HJP were to end up together (which is ridiculous) the letters should have served no reason in it other than DM being thankful to HJP for comforting her. DM and DS relationship was never the issue here, it was their characterization and illogical plot. I even would have been happy if they went on their own ways and find their own happiness if the writer made an effort to convince me as a viewer that the pre situations and decisions actually did have an effect on them and as a result they grew as people but the writer didn't. That's the main issue here not the romance.

NDS character development seemed fake after they reversed everything about the development. I genuinely believed him trying to be more loyal to himself than to people around him like him going on to a trip by bicycle. He was conflicted by his feelings but he tried to not be. That's what matters, his efforts which he didn't put pre time skip. But when the writers again were somehow bitten by the insect of romanticism, they changed everything for the sake of having romance and unrequited love. They messed up big time.

I understand him being selfless but he was straight cruel to himself. I was fine him not putting effort in trying to pursue DM when he knew she had feelings for DS but what I didn't understand is him not trying to put an effort to move on and find happiness. He deliberately stayed to be hurt, it is not being selfless but being destructive to oneself. He should have moved on but that doesn't mean he would have lost grandma as family and the others as friends. His characterization always had the quality to handle situations for the better but the writers somehow forgot that. He should have allowed to have a breather and proper time to settle his emotions and learn to find happiness and not wait for it. Well It didn't happen because them DM wouldn't have been as important as a FL should considering her awful characterization (no offence).

Yes he should have moved on. He should be allowed to grieve. He should have given himself time and priority but he didn't. I understand if he wants to have grandma as family and DS as a friend but that could have been accomplished after he was done with working on himself and his happiness. Like common, DM seems way easy to move on from. I hope that didn't sound harsh as criticism.

Yes, it is hard to look at HJP being wasted. I'm not against discussing things.

Okay so as I explained, the letters shouldn't have that effect on DM and the plot since it has been 15 years since then. Your statement of him being her pen pal and first love is right but that was a long time ago. If the drama started in that era it would have been fine to side with what you wrote. The letters shouldn't have prevented her from living a normal life but it did for some reason and that is absurd to think it should still hold something other than a sense of comfort for a teenager. It never made sense to me as to why people think HJP should have ended up with her when it made no sense when he saw her and fell in love with her for nothing. The pretext concerning the letters is simple: the letters meant more to DM than it did to HJP. The personality in the letters never was HJP. It was more of a mixture of personalities of HJP, grandma and things added from imagination to help DM find a thread of relevancy. He never fell in love with it but totally thought of it as a communication with someone when he had no one to communicate with. For DM it meant totally different thing. What I find illogical with the writing her is him falling for her. Since it never was something more than a form of communication to not be lonely and fulfil the wish of grandma then how does it make sense for him to fall for her without even knowing her. The letters importance in the plot was overwhelming and illogical even after 15 years both for HJP and especially DM. It prevented her to live a normal life and I don't know how that had a thread of reality in it. Can't people move on from teenage love and find someone else but here it practically conveyed what never should have been.
I do agree with the fact that DM and HJP had more reasons to be together but HJP practically removed those reasons by lying (hence giving DS a chance for DM to open up) and the time factor served a purpose.

Coming to the point where you point out that DS was irrelevant to the plot here is biased. The drama never was about HJP and DM building a relationship. It was about struggles of personal and professional life for people like DS and DM. HJP served as a person in love triangle when his character should have been about finding his own happiness and comfort. I don't why you would think that a relationship between a HJP and DM is more important to the plot since he's her mentor and DS is only a colleague but in reality people are closer to colleagues than they are to mentors on a personal level. She only thought of him as a someone of higher ability who can help her navigating through the business world but what she thought of DS is something along the line of someone who she can love, someone who has struggles the same as her and a genius who she can work with to achieve what she has set to achieve. Considering these it seems logical to presume that HJP was never more relevant to her story more than a mentor (someone you repect) but DS was.
The letters influence on her life was huge and so HJP should have been more to her than a mentor but that changed when he lied. The lie helped DM open up to DS which wouldn't have been possible since DM never intended to move on. She never even tried to find someone she can love but with the help of letters and her bizarre attachment to it, DS was someone she came to love.
The pen pal relationship was never meant to a romantic one but one with a sense of comfort. But time does change relationships and it did in her case. She couldn't love what she presumed she loved for 15 years anymore. I don't know why that's hard to understand but it is logical and realistic. Her falling for someone else despite him being the object of her sentiment previously shouldn't be in any way a reason for you to consider that relationship more important than the one she has with DS.

Him being her mentor and someone who comforted her in a hard time shouldn't have been what the drama depicted. HJP was an interesting character who possessed much more than just a plot point to force us to focus on DM. His character should have been more about finding happiness and experiencing new things.

Yes in the world of business a mentor would have been more important than a colleague but what I don't understand is why you would think that professional life is all there was to DM and her relationship with DS. HJP was a mentor and DS was much more than to just labelled someone who can help her career.
I think it's understandable to dislike DM and DS together since the former never put in any effort and the later was stuck so had no character development. But DM with JP would have been more concerning. She had nothing to offer to him other than being someone who would have to carry her through everything. That's not a relationship.

Okay fine. Since I'm participating than it isn't right to object on participation of others. I just find it overwhelming that's all.

So I agree with the first two paragraphs about using HJP for nothing more than the love triangle which is insane considering they could have done much more with him.

The letters and their sentiment are exaggerated. Why? Because of time and the lie. 15 years is a long time to be stuck to letters that comforted you. It's unrealistic and illogical. Then again that doesn't at all mean that the letters shouldn't mean anything. They were a source of comfort in a hard time. It would have been okay to bend on the side of love through letters but after 15 years shouldn't be hold as something that should invoke the feelings of love. It's like falling in love with someone in you teenage years but it is still perfectly possible and realistic to fall for someone after that. I wouldn't understand if they really were in love after that much time. Now coming to the effect of lie on her decision to love DS. DM practically was shutting herself down to people who bore romantic interests because she hadn't forgotten the letters (which was unrealistic as hell). Then DS came and she thought he was the one who wrote the letters which practically lead her to open up and see him as someone she loved through the letters. From a prospective you can see she's holding on to the letters becuase it comforted her but it also prevented to see someone she can love. She expected comfort from people she can date and didn't bother to give the relationship enough time to reach to the point where you can seek comfort in your partner. When DS came, she gave it enough time because of the letters which was necessary for the idea to see someone as a romantic interest other than the letters. When she found out about the lie, she was already in love with DS since she finally moved on from the letters. I don't know why is that hard to understand. From her perspective JP wasn't what was JP to us viewers. She only saw the mentor but we saw a broken past, a painful present and a kind man. He did everything a mentor does but not because of his sense of duty but because of his feelings for DM. DM didn't know it and only saw the mentor. DM falling for DS makes sense but her inability to value something she held on to for 15 years is concerning. I'm not saying here that she should have fallen in love HJP after all the situations (which would have made no sense to love someone you see only as a mentor because of the letters after so much time and already having feelings for someone else) but they should atleast have put an effort to know about each other and their past. It was very odd to me that the letters became nothing to her. Although I don't agree with the idea of her falling in love with HJP after all that but I expected them to connect as two people who comforted each other through hard times. Not every relationship has to a romantic one. Finding comfort in someone and loving someone are two different things. I find comfort through paintings but that doesn't mean I should fall in love with the painter.
We as viewers knew a lot about HJP but DM never did. She saw what was presented to her before her eyes and that was DS and his efforts. Where the writers messed up here is they made HJP nothing more than a person with unrequited love. I mean talk about wasting a character (Jon Snow vibes).

That's basically what I thought about DM. Her inability to move on from the letter for 15 YEARS and shutting herself down is not healthy. I don't know why or how people saw that as something worth waiting for but it's neither healthy or realistic. The letters prevented her from finding happiness and comfort with someone else which I find absurd. She never had the curiosity to experience new things. She never put in efforts to understand people around her like DS, JP and her grandma. I mean people like that exist. They just care about what they receive not what she can offer. That's why I find it extremely hard to picture something as JP and DS being attracted to her in reality. She offered nothing other than a good face. The writers messed up here. They never gave her the characterization as main character should have.

I never thought of using her character to make DS look good. I mean picture DS without DM, you'll find a genius then picture DM without DS and HJP, you'll find a failure. DS and HJP had were multi-dimensional characters but the writers wasted them to make DM look good. I can write a book on DS and HJP but I can't even write a page on DM without DS and HJP considering her characterization through the drama.

I liked the DS who moved on and started his own company which was episode 13 or 14 I think. He looked like a character who knows how to think for himself and finally having the strength to properly use his brain without someone taking care of him and without someone taking advantage of him. I liked the progress and character development. He didn't know how to be confident in himself before but he seemed like he did in those episodes. He couldn't let go of DM (which I again find absurd) but he was looking to look up for himself rather than being stuck on someone that has nothing to offer. But the writers practically threw everything and again forced us to see DM as someone valuable to the plot by the expense of DS and HJP. WTH was that supposed to even convey here!

HJP was the character I liked the most when the drama was finished but the thing I didn't like is his inability to prioritise himself over others. I wanted him to think for himself rather than being an angel that he always was. I wanted him to move on even from ep 8 but the writers wasted much of his character in the love triangle. I was still happy him letting go but at the end he still stayed to help them or whatever. I was like what!!!

I just find it overwhelming to see people still debating about it but then I looked at myself and sighed. It's just interesting and concerning for people to argue on something fictional and never come to a common ground.
Okay fine, carry on. Don't mind me.

Wow.
I never visited the comment section after ep 9 or 10 but wow.
I never expected it to escalate to this. I'm practically speechless.
What i never understood is why HJP fans would want him to end up with DM since they clearly didn't fit past the first 7 or 8 episodes of the drama. HJP deserved a better ending and i understand that but that ending never was with DM. I don't know why you think HJP and DM should have ended up together when the writers spent most of the romance part of the drama on building DM and DS relationship.
I mean it's one issue to dislike the relationship of DS and DM but it's another to wish JP with DM. If they ended together, that would have made no sense since for DM the only feelings she had for him were the letters which were 15y ago and she later then completely moved on to DS. I mean it's not impractical or unrealistic to move on to a person you feel will complete you. Or is it disturbing for some people to watch her move on from a sentiment of comfort to loving someone?
Think from DM's perspective not yours. There's is a guy whom you grow to love in the present despite his flaws and situational lies and then there's is a guy whom you connected with through letters 15 years ago. Is it logical or romantic enough to disregard the present for the past? Even when presented with the possibility (3 years with DS abroad) she never moved on like she didn't from the letters for 15 years (which is ridiculous). She's a snail. She came to focus on him because of a lie but she still persisted even when she found out about the lie. Her connection and emotions towards DS clearly outweighs of that towards JP. The problem here lies with characters and their development not the romance. HJP possessed much more than to be just in love with someone who didn't love him back. His character could have beem more properly used.
I guess the fault in the writing was that they didn't give a proper closure to HJP. He still had feelings for her which i don't understand. I mean there was nothing that special about her. He can move on. But they didn't allow that. Which i think served no purpose except to make us believe that there really is something special about FL when there clearly isn't. Every drama in a love triangle does that. One more fault i find with it is that the characters of DS, DM and JP never got the development we expected and the story deserved. 16+ hours of watching these people going through years without any proper development was kind of boring. The other issue here was HJP character overshadowed DS for most people because HJP possessed characteristics we wish to have and had the past that propelled people to feel sympathy for him. DS on the other hand was more flawed and had very little likeable characteristics. His past didn't invoke much emotions. DS could have been much more given the multi-dimensional prospects of his character but they just used him only to love DM and be there for her. I mean it's romantic but not so interesting as a whole character. DM's character was the weakest considering characterization and their motivations. I never understood what attracted DS and JP towards her. She was nothing more than a failure at first and a propelled (by others) and dependent (on others) person at last. Basically she never helped the plot except for the romance part.
Anyway this comment section is something else. Get a grip people.

You're welcome, Hana.

Ok so i never said or expected for people to be not upset but being upset and actually degrading something that's not bad are different things. I understand if you feel disappointed or upset at the fact that SJ turned out this way but degrading good writing just because it didn't proceed the way you wanted is illogical.
Yes there's a chance for a person to feel upset in this kind of situation and still remain a good friend but there's also a chance the way the writer proceeded with it. Just because it isn't what you expected doesn't mean it is bad writing.
The character development has consistency with the characteristics and situations of the character.
She has had feelings for him for almost 10 years. That much time has effect on people and that duration far proceeds the time she has spent with JK. She clearly profers her feeling for SH over her friendship with JK and it is clearly provided why she feels so. That explains the situations influence in her decision to be the way she is now. Her characteristics actually do support her actions. She was a person who was unafraid from doing what she wanted even from the start but she still remained on the good side. Everyone in this scenario would think of doing something bad but would refrain themselves because of having a sense of good and bad. But she proceeded with actually acting on thoughts and her feelings of being hurt. I mean it's hard to see your crush of 10 years getting into a relationship with you friend.
Looking at the character's characteristics and situations actually is consistent with the her actions. How's it a "out of nowhere U turn" ?

Again i understand your disappointment but it should be directed at the character not the writer because the writing has consistency, reality and engagement.

Your last paragraph makes no sense in the context of what we are trying to establish here as an argument.
Not everyone is evil or bad without any reason. There are always situations, people and decision behind a human's nature. The writer here explained it with good writing.
If you don't have any intrest in character like SJ then it's fine but degrading good writing is kind of illogical and unfair to the writer.

Are people really angry at the writer for the character arc of Soo Jin?
Are you people kidding me!
There's nothing wrong in writing a character arc that start with positive characteristics and ends up being bad. That's character development. Not every character development proceeds towards positivity. That's both realistic and interesting. Not every person in the world is vanilla like the main leads who would do everything to remain on the good side. Some people lose the grip and find it easier to do what they want or think even if it's lacking in morality and human ethics.
Her character arc is consistent with the situations they provided. There's no inconsistency. People like that exist in real world. I don't know why someone would consider it bad writing when it is both realistic and interesting (because it shows human primitive nature).
P.S: I love SH's character. He is empathetic, is able to love people even when he's scared and insecure, tries his best for people around him, is smart and above everything has the ability to change and develop. I just hope he has stable mental health and is happy at the end of the drama. He deserves everything.

Panic attacks!
Wow. That's more serious than i thought. The actor portrayed the situation really well. Like the chest pain, breathlessness, weakness and sense of fear.
Panic attacks although physically harmless are extremely painful to bear psychologically. It isn't just painful in the moment during the attack but also what follows. Fear of having another attack is extremely disturbing.
In Suho's case, his panic attacks seems to be the result of PTSD. The trauma of having to watch your father having an affair and losing a friend who called him just before committing suicide. He blames himself for not being able to answer the last call when he has no fault in it whatsoever. That's destructive, painful and psychologically unhealthy. I'm just waiting for him to receive therapy or medication (psychotherapy and medication are both effective in dealing with panic attacks and PTSD).
If you're someone suffering from mental illness please don't bear it in silence. Tell people what you're suffering from even if it is difficult. Don't hide it. It will lead to worse situations just like SH. Getting treatment is both logical and healthy, if someone says otherwise then distance yourself from them. Having psychological conditions or illnesses are in no way different than having a physical one. Since people treat physical illnesses without having to bother about society then it is completely fine for you to express yourself to people around you and get treatment. DON'T SUFFER IN SILENCE BECAUSE OF YOUR FEAR FOR ILLOGICAL SOCIETAL NORMS OR COMPLEXES, PLEASE.
BTW i just want the drama to end on a happy note for SH. I don't care about the ships. People should be together when they are happy together. There should be no comments on why FL chose someone. She is choosing who she will find happiness with. It's not about who deserves who but all about who prefers who. JK clearly prefers SH here and i don't find any issues with it. I will be happy in every scenario where SH has a good mental health and where he's happy even if that is without JK.

I responded to every single one of your sentences in your comment with actual logic not presumption. I don't why you would say that ignored anything you commented.
Your whole argument was nothing more than presumptuous and illogical statements. Be a little more argumentative and try to argue with facts that produce actually reasonings.
Yeah I'm the one annoying here when you never actually countered anything from my argument and basically repeated the same things again especially when i provided reasons on why your statements were wrong before.
I don't want to come as aggressive since this is an argument but i can't help but absolutely pity you for having such a limited and illogical mindset.
Anyway have a good day sir/maam.

I mean this person is straight up denying the fact that Jojo had and still has feelings for him. So from his/her point of view (which is biased as hell), the point that Jojo simply loves SO and not HY isn't in anyway a reason for him/her to understand what's true but rather what he/she wants.
Again his emotional sense is affecting his logical one.

I never stated SO to be as good as a friend like HY was to him. HY is a gem of a friend. But SO's inability to be a great friend to HY shouldn't in any way state his feelings for Jojo or hers for him.
Clearly HY is more of a nice guy compared to SO. SO is complicated. He's expressive, intense, emotional and much more. But HY being a good friend doesn't in any way justify the statement that HY deserves Jojo more. I mean when it comes to love it never is about a matter of who deserves who but all about whether two people can love each other.

Jojo kissing a stranger is wrong only when you consider the fact that she had a boyfriend and that's practically cheating on him. But kissing a stranger shouldn't be pressed on as something creepy or horrible, it's just a kiss. In reality people have one night stands all the time with strangers but that doesn't make them creepy or strange. They are free to do whatever they want especially when both the people involved are agreeable on the matter.
Till this point of the show we have been shown that Jojo doesn't hold any romantic feelings towards HY at all and she still has feelings for SO. She broke up with him and she understood that was was being cruel to SO. Now hurting someone you love scars you and the feelings of guilt will always be there. When she didn't correct those mistakes, it didn't mean anything like she never loved him or whatever. She clearly feels that she doesn't deserve to be with him when she hurt him like that. I don't know why that's so hard to understand when it is so clear.

If your definition of selfish is that you shouldn't be with someone who your friend has feelings for, then isn't HY now being selfish?
The answer is "Yes". But does it make him a bad person? The answer is an absolute "No".
A person can prioritise his feelings over others. It's completely understandable.
Jojo wasn't is a relationship with HY in the beginning and SO chasing her doesn't make him a horrible person as it doesn't make HY one when he is doing the same thing. Jojo isn't a possession of someone.

I do agree with the fact that SO was being biased and aggressive towards HY for no reason like I stated in my previous comments. But at the time I also understood that SO's emotions took over his sense of logic and friendship. I mean his feelings for Jojo and the hurt did make him lose control over the wrong person. HY didn't deserve that at all. That being said, it still doesn't invalidate his relationship with Jojo. I mean those are two different relationships. A person who can't be a good friend doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the one he loves. Human are more than just being a subject of degradation on the basis of how they treats their friends.
HY being too good to be untrue is exactly why I prioritise SO over him. SO is clearly more realistic. SO has flaws but also has the character to posses qualities. I mean that's what every person in reality is like.

I completely agree with the facts you provided on how genuine HY is towards Jojo but what I don't understand is why that would make him a more suitable partner for Jojo when Jojo has no feelings for him? SO completely opened what he was to her and she loved him for that.


When I see them (HY&Jojo) together I can't help but feel that they are just best friends who knows and helps each other. There's no chemistry between them. I recently watched IONTBO and that made me realise the fact that why couldn't I see them together. A romantic drama should have chemistry between the main couples otherwise no matter how good or nice your characters are, there will be nothing interesting to watch. I feel that chemistry between SO and Jojo. They are intense towards each other, you can feel the element of uncertainty right in their eyes. You actually anticipate what will happen next.

SO being handsome is a bad thing? Okay.

I completely understand if you prioritise HY over SO but what I don't understand is your argument about SO being horrible and not deserving of Jojo as much as HY. When it clearly isn't a matter of who deserves who but who can love who.
Jojo and SO has feelings for each other and I don't know why I shouldn't be shipping them together.

If you can't look beyond petty sentiments (hatred towards SO) to consider what can be true, then it's completely useless to argue.

Your every comment in this thread haven't followed what every argument should, "logic and reasoning with facts". And I am the "ignorant" one here! Yeah right.
You generalisation of SO's fans to be labelled as stupid just because they support SO's relationship with Jojo is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Your only reasoning against that preference of people is that SO isn't a good friend to HY, when actually we are discussing if SO was a good partner to Jojo in the relationship. Your ignorance and stupidity to actually use a point, about SO not being a perfect friend to HY, to degrade everything about SO's relationship with Jojo speaks volumes on how much of a character you're (NO OFFENSE).
Again with the looks point when I never mentioned it even once in my argument about my preference of SO over HY. Do you actually read what I comment or do you just fill the need to reply with delusions?

When did the drama ever show that Jojo was uncomfortable around SO or do you just assume things? Oh that's right your most points in this thread is an assumption driven by hatred. The drama clearly portrayed why she broke up with him and I explained it clearly in my previous comment with facts provided by the drama but since you just ignored that then there's no point in stating it again.
The fact that you actually think that HY is better than SO just because he never acted on his feelings when SO does is actually annoyingly stupid and so narrow minded. I don't know about you but a guy who wishes a girl's happiness with him rather than with someone else should never be degraded. This is the first time I'm seeing a person justifying degrading a character for knowing and trying to chase what he wants. I don't know why you think that he never made her happy but in the drama she was happy when she was with SO but she is just comfortable when with HY like when someone is with a friend. That's why I felt there was no chemistry between HY and Jojo. Emotions at that age is supposed to make you feel happy and nervous because you're experiencing it for the first time. Young love does that to people and that's exactly how she was around SO.

Do you actually expect SO to wait for Jojo when she broke his heart without any reason even after 4 years???
He is prioritising himself over someone who he thinks doesn't care about him whatsoever. Is that a wrong thing to do? She hurt him for f*ck sake not the other way around. SO getting a new partner is the most realistic, relevant and justifiable thing anyone can do. He is trying to move on with his life but he never decieved anyone while doing so. He told the girl about his feelings but she still accepted him. That's genuine, humanly and understandable.
Are people suppose to wait for someone who clearly stated that he/she doesn't have any feelings whatsoever for the person?
Absolutely not.
I'm sorry if your "knight in a shining armor who will die for the girl" image about guys is broken by SO's character but that's reality. Get out of your bubble and learn to experience reality not fantasy.
You labelling SO as a creep for not doing anything wrong other than having feeling for Jojo which you hate is kind of creepy in itself.

The webtoon never, I repeat never, stated or showed SO to be a creep or a bad guy. They portrayed him as the drama have portrayed him. By defined human morality he's realistic character with flaws and qualities who faces challenges in his personal and romantic life.

Actually your argument about SO is the most biased I have ever heard from an anti fan. Others actuall put an effort to make sense in an argument whereas you just simply state things without considering my points, facts or the drama. I guess a biased person can never be unbiased by facts or reasoning.
I'm order to be right you actually have to have the courage to face what's right. If your emotional attachment to a character is to the point where facts and logic becomes secondary considerations, then your blabbering is absolute useless.
Learn to make sense in an argument and argue with facts not emotions and delusions.

You're ignorant as hell buddy.
I provided reasons justified with facts provided by the drama on how SO wasn't being selfish in a relationship to Jojo at all but you're just blabbering something that's neither argumentative nor true.
The "liking him for his looks" is the most biased thing I have ever heard and every SO hater presume so but I clearly stated why I like him in my original comment and looks weren't stated anywhere in my comment at all.
I do agree that HY loves Jojo and respects her but what I don't understand is that why you would presume that SO didn't when the drama clearly depicted otherwise. He absolutely loved and adored her when they were in a relationship. Your statement of SO forcing Jojo is nothing but a delusional opinion clearly driven by the emotion of hate for SO. He never forced her into a relationship and if you haven't grasped that yet then you need to watch the drama again with open mind. She had and still has feelings for him which was shown in the drama clearly where she still feels heartbroken on how she ended things with him. I don't know why you would think that their relationship was fake or forced when it never even was pointed at in the drama.
She never was uncomfortable, never. She felt scared because she hasn't loved anyone that much like she loved SO. If you are unfamiliar with the feelings of fear for having emotions towards someone that you never had for anyone else, then you need to experience more situations and emotions. The drama clearly stated the reason (which was cruel to SO) on why she did so. Your refusal to accept the fact that Jojo loved SO is the most biased statement I have ever heard from a HY's fan. She wouldn't have broken up with him if she didn't love him. The emotions she felt for SO scared her and she responded to it exactly like how a teenager with a broken past would respond. She preferred to hide away then to face it. Her mindset, which is clearly built on how her childhood was (messed up), about emotions was something that made her ran away as far as she could. After the accident those emotions took over her reasoning and rationality. I don't know why you didn't understand that when it was crystal clear in the drama.

I never hated Jojo and never stated it. Why would you presume so? She did hurt SO badly without giving a reason but that shouldn't make her someone we should hate. She is her own person and she's free to protect and prioritise herself over others, that shouldn't make her a bad person but a realistic one. Her decisions and reasons were wrong and she clearly feels so too, that's why she never moved on in 4 years. She still has feelings for SO. Being wrong doesn't in anyway define the character's morality but on how the character sets out to correct those wrongs.

As much as I like HY and his characterization, I can't feel any chemistry between him and Jojo. He deserves her and so does SO but why I prioritise SO is his chemistry with Jojo was the best and as a Kdrama watcher, chemistry matters a lot. But like I said I will be fine if HY and Jojo ended up together. I can have a preference.

Your whole comment countered nothing again what I commented. You just presumed things about the characters in the drama and your presumption about SO was clearly driven by emotions and not reasoning and facts. As hard as it maybe to accept but facts don't care about your feelings or emotions. Facts define the reality of the matter whereas emotions doesn't help anything in an argument except being horribly biased.

Wow.
First I didn't want to reply to your comment because you clearly hate Sun-oh and evidently presumed things about him that are nonexistent in the drama but then I thought why not.

So I don't know why you presumed that Jojo is happier around Hye Young and not Sun-oh, the drama clearly portrayed otherwise.

How does HY being in love with her and doing nothing about it makes him more deserving of Jojo than SO?
SO trying to go after someone he feels attracted to should be commendable. He knows what's worth fighting for. Someone with a sense of priority shouldn't be inferior to someone who doesn't go after something he loves because of fear and a sense of basic respect of other feelings. Don't get me wrong, I like HY's way of going about it but it in no way makes him better than SO.
SO is also clearly in love with Jojo after 4 years and he respected her decision of breaking up with him for no reason whatsoever (he was clearly defiant of the idea at first but he still let her go). I don't know what you'd do if someone you love clearly stated that the person doesn't love you anymore and wanted to break up for no reason but SO's reaction about it is clearly understandable and realistic. He used the last hope he had and that was the app but that also confirmed what he feared because Jojo wanted so.

Your statement of SO being selfish is backed by nothing but delusions and you provided no facts to justify what you stated whatsoever. Just so we are clear, we are arguing here about whether SO deserves to be called a proper love intrest for Jojo not SO being a friend to HY. So your statement of SO loving Jojo is wrong because his friend had a crush on her shouldn't be an argument in a matter where we are discussing something completely different. Besides HY wasn't even in a relationship with Jojo so I don't know why it is considered horrible to act on your feelings towards someone who your friend doesn't even have the intention to go after. SO and HY feelings should both be considered here. He felt something for her and he went after her. I don't know why HY like is considered more important than SO's. It's not like HY owned Jojo or something. SO is a realistic character and he has priorities.
Coming to your point where you stated that Sun-oh is a creep for kissing a girl he knows nothing about is utter ignorance of reality. Why would a kiss, which is clearly reciprocated, be considered a trait to define the person as creepy! She kissed him back and there's nothing wrong with a kiss even if you don't know the person. People have sex on far less and there's nothing wrong with it if you don't force the other person. I don't know why you thought that but then again as I stated that you clearly hated SO and it's messing with your sense of reasoning and common sense.

It shouldn't be SO's character which should be questioned about kissing a girl who's in a relationship with someone else. She kissed him back. She is clearly at fault here because she cheated on her boyfriend and SO didn't hurt or cheat anyone whatsoever. But I also get Jojo because they were teenagers and teenagers doesn't have a clear defined morality line or mindset about understanding the sensitivity or others feelings. Teenagers are still in the process of building their selves and they make mistakes. It's both realistic and understandable.

She never felt insecure about his feeling but feared her feelings and sense of attachment those feelings brought. You have to remember that it was SO who was hurt here by Jojo not the other way around. She dumped him without any reason or fault and that's the most cruel thing someone can do to other people especially when that someone is aware of his/her feelings. His reaction is the most realistic and justifiable thing in every sense of humans understandings. I don't know why you would use that against him and bring out Jojo as a victim!

I understand your point of SO being unfair to HY for liking Jojo. He shouldn't have said that to him because HY is absolutely free to pursue someone who's not in a relationship even if that someone is the object of his friend's affection (like how SO was free to pursue Jojo in the beginning even if HY had a crush on her and SO's character shouldn't be judged like HY's isn't). Jojo isn't owned by anyone and everyone is free to pursue her. But that's what is interesting about SO. He is the most realistic character in the show. He reacted the same way a normal person would in the same situation. At the time his feelings for Jojo and the hurt he felt for 4 years clearly overtook his sense of friendship and reasoning. That wasn't his character speaking but his emotions about the hurtful and heartbreaking memories.

Your last paragraph is nothing but an opinion. The fact on the other hand is that he treated Jojo very affectionately and cared about her a lot but ofcourse his treatment of her was different from HY. But that isn't any justifiable reason to degrade SO's feelings for Jojo.
Your whole comment countered nothing about the matter of my original comment where I stated that I prefer SO for Jojo. You first half of the comment degraded SO on the situations of how the relationship started but that shouldn't matter in this argument because Jojo loves him for who he is. It shouldn't matter where the were but where they are about their feelings for each other. They still love each other.
You second half of the comment stated nothing but hateful statement about SO without considering reasoning or understandings of situations.

I will be fine if HY ended up with Jojo because he clearly loves her and treats her perfectly. He is a gem of a friend. I like his character. But I prefer SO with Jojo and I reasoned why I do so. There's nothing wrong with having a sense of preference.

Thank you very much.
I also felt that. She takes him for granted.
Him realising his worth and taking a stand will be the best to watch. She should realise what she means to him before i start breaking things.
I don't like kyung woo having feelings for his best friend's girlfriend but i would absolutely hate it if they ended up together.
I mean jarim and JY are made for each other.

Ok so i ship Sun-oh and Jojo because they push each other forward. It always isn't towards positivity but that isn't important here. Everyone needs a push because standing still doesn't lead you anywhere. They aren't perfect but they are perfect when interacting with each other. Sun-oh has flaws and he doesn't hide them from her but she still fell in love with him. You don't need someone who hides his flaws but someone who's trustful enough to expose it to you. Sun-oh is a human being and he sometimes messes up but that doesn't mean whether he deserves someone or not. Being human doesn't in anyway dictate whether you deserve the one you love or not. Jojo loves the imperfect Sun-oh and that's the end of the discussion where people degrade their relationship just because Sun-oh isn't your perfect knight like many leads in kdramas. He is realistic and he truly loves Jojo.
They both have flaws but they also have the character to change.
Hye young on the other hand is someone who loves Jojo and agrees with whatever she does or says. Unconditional agreement (shouldn't be confused with unconditional support) with a partner without having any opinion may sound romantic but that isn't what a relationship is supposed to achieve. It'll lead to nowhere.
Supporting a partner doesn't mean you have to agree on everything but pointing out what is wrong and what can be fixed. Disagreement leads to the reality of the matter not toxicity. Going forward together to be the best versions of themselves.
Besides the chemistry between Sun-oh and Jojo is one of the best i have ever seen.

Ok so i ship Sun-oh and Jojo because they push each other forward. It always isn't towards positivity but that isn't important here. Everyone needs a push because standing still doesn't lead you anywhere. They aren't perfect but they are perfect when interacting with each other. Sun-oh has flaws and he doesn't hide them from her but she still fell in love with him. You don't need someone who hides his flaws but someone who's trustful enough to expose it to you. Sun-oh is a human being and he sometimes messes up but that doesn't mean whether he deserves someone or not. Being human doesn't in anyway dictate whether you deserve the one you love or not. Jojo loves the imperfect Sun-oh and that's the end of the discussion where people degrade their relationship just because Sun-oh isn't your perfect knight like many leads in kdramas. He is realistic and he truly loves Jojo.
They both have flaws but they also have the character to change.
Hye young on the other hand is someone who loves Jojo and agrees with whatever she does or says. Unconditional agreement (shouldn't be confused with unconditional support) with a partner without having any opinion may sound romantic but that isn't what a relationship is supposed to achieve. It'll lead to nowhere.
Supporting a partner doesn't mean you have to agree on everything but pointing out what is wrong and what can be fixed. Disagreement leads to the reality of the matter not toxicity. Going forward together to be the best versions of themselves.
Besides the chemistry between Sun-oh and Jojo is one of the best i have ever seen.