Erin

I love your explanations 🙂. From what I understand for his family situation the only person who doesn't know is Kuea. His family had run into some difficulties and so in order to help them out Lian has been buying up their properties because they knew that if he bought them they'd be easier for them to buy back later as opposed to selling to a stranger. It's not like it's a secret really it's just a secret from Kuea, Lian actually had planned to tell him at some point he finds out before he can tell him.

I think it was on YouTube somebody had said that the scene in the book actually takes place much later and is a lot more problematic. In the books he's actually very resistant to the point where he pushes Lian away and then when they do kiss he actually doesn't reciprocate right away but then because of Lian's since he eventually gives in. I love the way they changed the scene.

Also I think it was on YouTube somebody was saying that the last scene in episode 6 the kissing scene took place later in the book and was so much worse. Because apparently in the book he's super resistant and when Lian to kiss him he actually pushes him away and appears deeply uncomfortable but because Lian is insistent eventually he gives in. This is just comparison but I think what they did in the show was beautiful. Lian is constantly stopping to check his reactions to make sure he's okay. Also somebody said by moving the scene up when they actually do become intimate later it makes it less awkward since they've already had to make out session in the kitchen 😂

For the drunk scene I think all his emotions just overwhelmed him after all the person he loves the most is finely giving him a glimpse of how really feels and was pretty much starved for touch. Someone else said the CCTVs were installed because he worked 24/7 and was never home lol saying that he knew that if you told him to stay Kuae would stay, the fact he wasn't staying he was in the process of sneaking out when he came home early 😂

Yup.

Honestly the subreddit is so much more positive. I personally love the show and have watched the episodes over several times lol

I spend more time in the subreddit because it's a lot more positive.

If you want a more positive environment go to the subreddit

If you want a more positive environment got the subreddit.

That's cuz I've been reading other comments from people who have read the novel. There's a very detailed summary in the recent discussions. Their relationship and motivations but that doesn't mean I can't take that and apply it to the show since it's based on the same Source material.

I have never read the book

I will try and explain as best I can

"Instead I'll state how surprising it is that they have yet to give us a good hint as to why Lian is like this and doing all of these things. Unless I'm missing something here, but it just feels like he's an asshole for no reason whatsoever. Which just makes everything about the relationship even worse."

He is doing these because he wants Kuae to admit that he is hiding things from him. There have several instances where he has literally told Kuae that he knows. Like when he says that some rich kid rents the circuit every month, or when he says he knows everything that Kuae does behind his back, Kuae said you know? Lian was like Know what? On the first thing he thinks of is that it's a trap. The problem is Kuae is extremely insecure, because he is struggling to reconcile who he is as a person versus what his parents expect of him in terms of being part of an aristocratic family and the son of an ambassador. His interests don't really fit those expectations. He loves mechanics which is a dirty job, he has a passion for music and performing and of course racing his motorcycle. So he feels that his parents and Lian won't accept him or love him for who he is. Which is why when he first started singing he created the stage name Kirin. Now even though Lian was angry at Kuae for hiding things from him, what he said because he was angry was very cruel. I am not excusing that. He knows Kuae is stubborn and won't readily admit to things even when asked directly so he has do things in a round about way try and get him tell him voluntarily.

We know that Lian would accept him because he is buying shares in the Gemini since Kuae likes to perform there. He also sponsors the race track where Kuae likes to ride. He has never wanted Kuae to stop doing these things. It's only Kuae who is stepping away he feels like in order to be Lian's perfect partner and the face of the Karaati family he shouldn't like those things.

I personally am really enjoying the show and have had lots of discussions surrounding both Lian's and Kuae's behavior

I personally love it! I have rewatched all the episodes numerous times now. Zee as Lian is nailing it! Also love New as Kuae when he stands up to Lian makes me laugh.

Or even the movie Dangerous Drug of Sex which the mains still end up together even AFTER the one lead kidnapped, Imprisoned and sexually assaulted the other.

No problem 🙂

The thing is sometimes you say things out of anger that you don't necessarily mean. Not that I am excusing what he said, but he's very frustrated that Kuae isn't being his true self when he is with him instead he is trying to be what he thinks Lian wants. Also I think Lian is angry at himself for missing out on such a huge part of who Kuae is since when Kuae started his Kirin persona he was living in the UK. It is why he said he wanted a human not a doll, been pushing his buttons trying to get him to react to things and he just won't. Having that woman join them on their lunch date you could tell Lian wanted him to say something. Even when he was waiting for him to deal with the factory problem he even asked him if he was bored, he could have said yes. Instead he chose to hide. That is why he calls him Annabelle.

Lian Knows that if he just gave Kuae the drums he would never accept it because don't forget that Kuae is hiding his true self because he doesn't think Lian will Love him if he knows the parts of himself he keeps hidden. So Lian is trying to have him voluntarily bring those parts to lite by doing things in a round about way. When Lian told him that he knew all the things Kuae was doing behinds his back. Kuae said so you know? Lian said know what, his expression said he knew Kuae wasn't going to admit it that easily lol. Then Kuae immediately thought he is trying to trap me... because he believes that if he says that he enjoys those things they're just going to take it away from him. In his eyes his hobbies don't fit the image of not only in aristocratic family but the son of an ambassador.

Yes, if everyone the same stuff then It would just be boring 🙂

That's fine not everyone has to like the same things 🙂

So In the UK was when Kuae started performing under the name Kirin. He did because as the son of an aristocratic family and whose dad is an ambassador he didn't think they would accept of love him if they found out. Also because he has a passion for automotive mechanics which is a dirty job. So he hides who he is from not only his family but also Lian. In the novel when they have their fight it's because Lian who has been a patron of the Gemini for several years was there when he was performing as Kirin and figured it out. Realizing that when they were separated while Kuae was in the UK he had actually missed a huge chunk of who Kuae was. Also frustrated that Kuae hadn't trusted him enough to tell him. He doesn't want Kuae to feel he has to hide who he is from him. So he said things out of anger that he didn't mean. I think he realized he has messed up when Kuae said he wanted to call of the engagement. Although he mostly knows Kuae's secrets now he wants him to open up and tell him on his own. They are kind mirrors of eachother because while Kuae thinks that Lian wants him to be all prim and proper, Lian sees his behavior and the way he dresses and thinks that's what Kuae wants of him. They both are not very good at community 😂 but if then again if they were we wouldn't have this show.

I personally am loving it. I have rewatched it twice now and have rewatched episode 5 several times. Can't wait for Saturday.