Is Floral Armour like Plot Armour, it doesn't need to make sense if you have a flower?
let me see if I got this right.
Heavenly Emperor: "give me the flower" Phoenix: "no!" *Phoenix nukes world, splits sky, becomes jinx * *HE forgets about flower whilst it is so badly guarded that a cook can take it to make soup*
HE: "give me the flower" Yan Yue: "Ok !" *HE Doesn't use flower, locks flower in vault guarded only by delayed onset amnesia curse*
Baby Egg "Give Mummy the flower!" Yan Yue and Mu Nan " OK! But Ouch" Peacock "No!" *rejected- poofs into nothing* HE "No!" *denied- goes back to bed to white-hairedly await possession opportunities whilst absorbing time magic*
HE: "give me the flower!" Phoenix "No! " *armies go to war, 3 realms endangered*
HE *stops time to say * " Give me the flower!" Phoenix - "er...OK!"
Flower poofs away: HE, seal on Yan Yue's spirit, all weapons, autocracy. Also Flower: doesn't go into new baby Phoenix (so good luck on your Nirvana baby egg), , instead goes into time dust to rewind Wei Zhi into the Sima Wangyue she felt no connection with and repeatedly stressed was not her, just so Chen Yan can say "I love you" and betray his saviour instead. The End
I watched this because everything I'd read suggested it would be bad, but after Shen Li everything is bad, so I thought it could be a sacrificial palate cleanser to redeem everything else.
In some ways it's not as bad as all that (although I agree with many of the criticisms and frustrations) In other ways: it's worse. And in still other ways it's oddly unique and less shallow than it seems from that admittedly glossy surface. I wish I'd watched it last year to be able to discuss it semi-live because I am so confused by that ending even after reading the discussion/ comments . This is like a roller coaster for the brain instead of the (failed aim of) emotions.
It's been 7 hours and 15 minsSince my last Shen Li re-watchI try out every drama and watch old favesStill I can't…
It's been so humourless without those quips Like a chicken without a battle hymn Nothing can stop this drama addict's heart from yearning Tell me ,Shen li, why is everything else wrong? I could put my screen onto every xianxia I see But they'd only remind me of you I went through the comments and guess what they told me, guess what they told me?, They said Girl you're a wandering ghost now too no matter what you do 'cause they're no fools
'Cause Nothing Compares Nothing Compares 2 Shen Li
It's been 7 hours and 15 mins Since my last Shen Li re-watch I try out every drama and watch old faves Still I can't move on at all Since Shenli's end I can do whatever I want I can watch whatever I choose I can eat my dinner without *spoiler* heartbreak But nothing I said nothing can take away these blues...
b. is in interesting theory ! do you think there's a link with ml father ? because he obviously look deranged…
my understanding is the same as what @deemunu says in the Recent Discussions "why didn't ML ...." post:
"...he explained this on Ep 7. He can't travel at a specific time and date, only years. After returning from 2037, he went to 2022 (March) and said he was already dead 2 mos earlier so he was probably murdered in January. He said he would have to wait for another 10 mos to be able to go back again on that specific day. He did his research and found out he was not the only victim and thus he decided to go back to 1987 when the murders all started, with the hope of saving all the victims' lives and stopping the culprit.
Also, we're not entirely sure IF he is really DEAD since there was no body found?? On ep 2 there was a scene with the chairman - his grandpa, on 2024 and asking him to find his grandson, who is still missing.
The scene where he was beside his body, I guess, was only depicted from the description on the newspaper/tv news. And him saying it's cold bc maybe it was his own body so he kinda feels the same or maybeee a clue where his body really is??? "
b. is in interesting theory ! do you think there's a link with ml father ? because he obviously look deranged…
Maybe 2nd YW is from slightly ahead in the future in the original timeline- he's never met Hae Joon but he himself has invented the car . Chung Ha has gone so he uses the car to go back and sort this ?.
But serial killings etc aside, this show is actually quite sweet -I wouldn't be surprised if the Chung Ah that visits the house (maybe she is even a second CA and 1st one is still on the bus) and 2ndYW are working together to steal the car in order to protect HJ in some way , maybe they come from when the killer actually came after the news report and killed HJ. They're both smart cookies, they've worked out what the car is and that HJ is their son , or grieving Baek Yoon Young told them and begged for their help, and they have gone back to save him.
b. is in interesting theory ! do you think there's a link with ml father ? because he obviously look deranged…
Agreed He looks a bit deranged . Has he seen Chung Ah holding Hae Joon's hand and this is jealous rage? does he not recognise HJ (maybe he comes from a time /timeline where they've never met ?)?
And like others say- where are his glasses?. Older YW even has the exact same pair in the 2020 clip talking about cinema date with HJ 's mum. Could it be as simple as the glasses flew off with the force of sudden braking and he just couldn't see HJ properly?
Hae Joon is in the garage looking at the lack of car when he seemingly reacts to Baek Dong Sik shouting "Yoon Yeon woo!" who we see run off with glasses on. So it looks like glasses Yeon Woo has had no time to get to car and drive off .
And the watch (and for that matter foetus Hae joon and adult Hae joon) shows us the same thing of different times can exists in the same moment. Could we really have 2 YW here? Glasses runs off but non glasses has the car?
But often the ending of kdrama episodes are edited with unreliable chronology to make a cliff hanger but in the next episode we see the missing sequences so i'm not sure.
Also Chung Ah acts a bit odd- even when preparing to leave town she doesn't seem like someone scared by being the baby mama of a psycho killer. When going to see HJ at the end she is staring at the garage when he sees her and takes a while to focus on him then tries to get him to leave, tells him all the shocking stuff but then doesn't follow him into the garage to see why he runs there in a hurry even though that leaves her alone and vulnerable by the gate when a killer might be coming. It's like she knows what is there and she is buying time for someone to take it. I think her doubts , fears and anger at the father are real but the rope used is obviously too thick to knit a baby hat with , I don't think she thinks he is a killer.
With theory B, it could be that the reason he stopped killing in the original timeline was that a guilt ridden Baek Dong Sik took him away from injured and damaged Baek HS and YS , since they were no longer able to care for him ,when he mysteriously left town for 30 years. Yoon Young tells him she never met him by saying "i never knew my father had any older relatives until I came here" which could include eldest bro. Maybe Baek YS reacting significantly to the news report could be because he recognises his brother in the background of one of the shots, like HJ says the culprit will be watching the report being filmed/ town reacts etc He might even be BYS twin brother since their aunt talked about BYS being at the university and working in a factory and visiting BHS every weekend (and somehow also having time to protest and date victim 1)
I don't think Yoon yeon woo is the killer because 1) if he had intended to go to Hae Joon's house to kill the witness, why try to stop the car rather than just run him over? And why get out of the car, why not just run him over again to be sure? 2) He said he likes smart people- would he not then approve of women who read? 3) He himself is very smart, there is no way he won't know that the man in possession of a time travelling car who has the name of his planned son and makes him feel oddly connected isn't his son, so he won't go kill him by mistake in 2022.
I do think both Yeon Woo and Chung Ah are Hae Joon's bio parents, they were clearly a couple at and after the cinema , where they talk about feeling oddly loving toward Hae Joon whilst they eat. Chung Ah has been mothering him since they met, trying to feed him, scolding him and assessing him.
I think that's why both of them, like Baek Yoon Young, rush to him as soon as they see the news (Yeon Woo could also have been commanded to do so by his dad with whom he was watching the TV).
Being smart, and not knowing whether the noise in the empty house was the culprit or a corrupt police ready to frame him as the culprit for being there when "being suspicious is a sin", of course Yeon Woo runs . Maybe he even overheard Chung Ah and he is hurt and realises she might not support him if he is caught there.
I do think Chung Ah had various doubts about Yeon Woo (pregnancy can be a very emotionally fragile time ) which is why she abandoned her baby, and , following the themes of healing and the truth reaching people eventually, I think this scenario is going to resolve their misunderstandings and repair the Yoon family like the Baek/Lee families have been improved .
So at this stage I have two main theories about the culprit.
A, I still think it could be one of the detectives, especially the one in the green grey jacket who trips in the water at the river crime scene. Remember the news reporter stumbling around as an act, and HJ and YY discuss how he actually became very successful? The people committing violent crimes so far have all been people in power and privilege (Go Min Su is rich and protected by his Dr mother) .
B What if Baek Heo Seop's eldest brother is still alive! In ep7, near the start (about 4.5 mins in) we see Baek Hae seop collect patterned clothes and shoes and take them to the hospital. We never see why. GMS takes clothes to her mum and sees him throw away the blue hat. the next day his elder brother is not wearing any of those clothes but plain bright white, and is heartily fighting the Miss korea Scammers, so is not the one in the hospital. When GmS is talking to him later about protecting his brother, I think she could be talking about eldest one in the hospital and she found this out off screen after picking up his hat and seeing off her Mum. That's why GMS is so confident he won't be caught because noone knows he exists apart from her and the Baek bros. Maybe that's why both the victims are linked by Baek Yoo Seob, his eldest brother might be injured/traumatised from the former shootings and killing those women in a bizarre parody of protection.
Heavenly Emperor: "give me the flower"
Phoenix: "no!"
*Phoenix nukes world, splits sky, becomes jinx *
*HE forgets about flower whilst it is so badly guarded that a cook can take it to make soup*
HE: "give me the flower"
Yan Yue: "Ok !"
*HE Doesn't use flower, locks flower in vault guarded only by delayed onset amnesia curse*
Baby Egg "Give Mummy the flower!"
Yan Yue and Mu Nan " OK! But Ouch"
Peacock "No!" *rejected- poofs into nothing*
HE "No!" *denied- goes back to bed to white-hairedly await possession opportunities whilst absorbing time magic*
HE: "give me the flower!"
Phoenix "No! "
*armies go to war, 3 realms endangered*
HE *stops time to say * " Give me the flower!"
Phoenix - "er...OK!"
Flower poofs away: HE, seal on Yan Yue's spirit, all weapons, autocracy.
Also Flower: doesn't go into new baby Phoenix (so good luck on your Nirvana baby egg), , instead goes into time dust to rewind Wei Zhi into the Sima Wangyue she felt no connection with and repeatedly stressed was not her, just so Chen Yan can say "I love you" and betray his saviour instead.
The End
In some ways it's not as bad as all that (although I agree with many of the criticisms and frustrations) In other ways: it's worse. And in still other ways it's oddly unique and less shallow than it seems from that admittedly glossy surface. I wish I'd watched it last year to be able to discuss it semi-live because I am so confused by that ending even after reading the discussion/ comments . This is like a roller coaster for the brain instead of the (failed aim of) emotions.
I'm beggin' of you please
let me move on....
Like a chicken without a battle hymn
Nothing can stop this drama addict's heart from yearning
Tell me ,Shen li, why is everything else wrong?
I could put my screen onto every xianxia I see
But they'd only remind me of you
I went through the comments and guess what they told me,
guess what they told me?,
They said Girl you're a wandering ghost now too
no matter what you do
'cause they're no fools
'Cause Nothing Compares
Nothing Compares 2 Shen Li
Since my last Shen Li re-watch
I try out every drama and watch old faves
Still I can't move on at all
Since Shenli's end I can do whatever I want
I can watch whatever I choose
I can eat my dinner without *spoiler* heartbreak
But nothing
I said nothing can take away these blues...
I
can't
move
on.
"hell yeah"
*dog licks toe*
both: "look: puppy!"
This was the laugh I needed rn.
"...he explained this on Ep 7. He can't travel at a specific time and date, only years. After returning from 2037, he went to 2022 (March) and said he was already dead 2 mos earlier so he was probably murdered in January. He said he would have to wait for another 10 mos to be able to go back again on that specific day. He did his research and found out he was not the only victim and thus he decided to go back to 1987 when the murders all started, with the hope of saving all the victims' lives and stopping the culprit.
Also, we're not entirely sure IF he is really DEAD since there was no body found?? On ep 2 there was a scene with the chairman - his grandpa, on 2024 and asking him to find his grandson, who is still missing.
The scene where he was beside his body, I guess, was only depicted from the description on the newspaper/tv news. And him saying it's cold bc maybe it was his own body so he kinda feels the same or maybeee a clue where his body really is??? "
But serial killings etc aside, this show is actually quite sweet -I wouldn't be surprised if the Chung Ah that visits the house (maybe she is even a second CA and 1st one is still on the bus) and 2ndYW are working together to steal the car in order to protect HJ in some way , maybe they come from when the killer actually came after the news report and killed HJ. They're both smart cookies, they've worked out what the car is and that HJ is their son , or grieving Baek Yoon Young told them and begged for their help, and they have gone back to save him.
And like others say- where are his glasses?. Older YW even has the exact same pair in the 2020 clip talking about cinema date with HJ 's mum. Could it be as simple as the glasses flew off with the force of sudden braking and he just couldn't see HJ properly?
Hae Joon is in the garage looking at the lack of car when he seemingly reacts to Baek Dong Sik shouting "Yoon Yeon woo!" who we see run off with glasses on. So it looks like glasses Yeon Woo has had no time to get to car and drive off .
And the watch (and for that matter foetus Hae joon and adult Hae joon) shows us the same thing of different times can exists in the same moment. Could we really have 2 YW here? Glasses runs off but non glasses has the car?
But often the ending of kdrama episodes are edited with unreliable chronology to make a cliff hanger but in the next episode we see the missing sequences so i'm not sure.
Also Chung Ah acts a bit odd- even when preparing to leave town she doesn't seem like someone scared by being the baby mama of a psycho killer. When going to see HJ at the end she is staring at the garage when he sees her and takes a while to focus on him then tries to get him to leave, tells him all the shocking stuff but then doesn't follow him into the garage to see why he runs there in a hurry even though that leaves her alone and vulnerable by the gate when a killer might be coming. It's like she knows what is there and she is buying time for someone to take it. I think her doubts , fears and anger at the father are real but the rope used is obviously too thick to knit a baby hat with , I don't think she thinks he is a killer.
With theory B, it could be that the reason he stopped killing in the original timeline was that a guilt ridden Baek Dong Sik took him away from injured and damaged Baek HS and YS , since they were no longer able to care for him ,when he mysteriously left town for 30 years. Yoon Young tells him she never met him by saying "i never knew my father had any older relatives until I came here" which could include eldest bro. Maybe Baek YS reacting significantly to the news report could be because he recognises his brother in the background of one of the shots, like HJ says the culprit will be watching the report being filmed/ town reacts etc
He might even be BYS twin brother since their aunt talked about BYS being at the university and working in a factory and visiting BHS every weekend (and somehow also having time to protest and date victim 1)
1) if he had intended to go to Hae Joon's house to kill the witness, why try to stop the car rather than just run him over? And why get out of the car, why not just run him over again to be sure?
2) He said he likes smart people- would he not then approve of women who read?
3) He himself is very smart, there is no way he won't know that the man in possession of a time travelling car who has the name of his planned son and makes him feel oddly connected isn't his son, so he won't go kill him by mistake in 2022.
I do think both Yeon Woo and Chung Ah are Hae Joon's bio parents, they were clearly a couple at and after the cinema , where they talk about feeling oddly loving toward Hae Joon whilst they eat. Chung Ah has been mothering him since they met, trying to feed him, scolding him and assessing him.
I think that's why both of them, like Baek Yoon Young, rush to him as soon as they see the news (Yeon Woo could also have been commanded to do so by his dad with whom he was watching the TV).
Being smart, and not knowing whether the noise in the empty house was the culprit or a corrupt police ready to frame him as the culprit for being there when "being suspicious is a sin", of course Yeon Woo runs . Maybe he even overheard Chung Ah and he is hurt and realises she might not support him if he is caught there.
I do think Chung Ah had various doubts about Yeon Woo (pregnancy can be a very emotionally fragile time ) which is why she abandoned her baby, and , following the themes of healing and the truth reaching people eventually, I think this scenario is going to resolve their misunderstandings and repair the Yoon family like the Baek/Lee families have been improved .
So at this stage I have two main theories about the culprit.
A, I still think it could be one of the detectives, especially the one in the green grey jacket who trips in the water at the river crime scene. Remember the news reporter stumbling around as an act, and HJ and YY discuss how he actually became very successful? The people committing violent crimes so far have all been people in power and privilege (Go Min Su is rich and protected by his Dr mother) .
B What if Baek Heo Seop's eldest brother is still alive! In ep7, near the start (about 4.5 mins in) we see Baek Hae seop collect patterned clothes and shoes and take them to the hospital. We never see why. GMS takes clothes to her mum and sees him throw away the blue hat. the next day his elder brother is not wearing any of those clothes but plain bright white, and is heartily fighting the Miss korea Scammers, so is not the one in the hospital. When GmS is talking to him later about protecting his brother, I think she could be talking about eldest one in the hospital and she found this out off screen after picking up his hat and seeing off her Mum. That's why GMS is so confident he won't be caught because noone knows he exists apart from her and the Baek bros. Maybe that's why both the victims are linked by Baek Yoo Seob, his eldest brother might be injured/traumatised from the former shootings and killing those women in a bizarre parody of protection.