Because first of all, I WANT to bring it up. It's called discussion. Secondly, I think wanting to see the same show over and over a million times with different names and locations thrown in is...weirdly indicative of a reduced mental capacity. I can and will question whomever I want. Again, it's called discussion and if you can't handle it go away or simply skip my comments.
I want BLs to continue to get better and better. You want them to stagnate so you can bask in the sweet, cotton-candy comfort of what you've seen and reacted to countless times before. Thankfully, I'm not you.
WOW. Homophobic? Are you insane? Do you have the slightest Idea of the mind-blowing change in le's world-view…
And I think you are assuming a lot of things not supported by evidence provided to us in this film. If Wen Wen had a penis and testicles I think she and her parents would have noticed that when she was young, don't you? This series has NOT provided the exact details of Amber's current genital makeup. Do you think she had a penis and balls stuffed up in her vagina and one day they just sort of fell out?
Yu He is pushing him WAY too hard and too fast. I don't care if the series is short; I understand that, but it…
I would want MONTHS, OK? And that could be accomplished with a simple time-jump thrown in. EVERYTHING about the person at the center of his life is far different from what he thought it was. He didn't find out Amber has an ingrown toenail. He found out Amber is Wen-Wen, Amber has been deceiving him, Amber is trans with unusual plumbing, that he himself must be homosexual or bisexual or pansexual or metrosexual or something else far different from how he formerly perceived himself. He is feeling anger, betrayal, confusion, love, lust, romance and much more regarding a DUDE who used to be a girl.
It's cute that you think if this happened to you a week would be plenty of time to adjust and marry Amber in the final episode, but don't expect anyone else to buy that as a realistic possibility.
Are you the chairman of the "us/we" group here? BL to me is a genre like romance, mystery, horror, etc. When you go to see a film in another genre, are you OK with seeing the very same plot elements and actions you've seen hudnreds of times before in other films in that genre? Or do you expect to see some originality. There are a thousand other ways to get Amber injured and in the hospital, for example, but they used a slow-moving car...AGAIN. Bottom line, you're OK with lazy writing and predictable plot points. I'm not. This BL is a level or two above most BLs so I expect more of it. You're a fan girl/boy who doesn't like to think. So it's no wonder our expectations differ.
She is PUSHING him way too hard and too fast. This is a monumental change in his perception of what he thought…
I agree with everything you wrote EXCEPT that she is not pushing for his adjustment to happen way too fast. These sort of HUGE re-orientations to a new reality take...time. And perhaps the pushing is entirely explained by the brevity of the series; they have one ep left in which to get things sorted out, and now MOM is coming home. lol Sure, there is an appropriate time for discussion and then there are appropriate times to just SIT WITH a problem/new situation and allow the heart and mind to do their own healing.
Now I am afraid of the end of this series. I hope not end sad endings. Pu Le Chien should think about himself…
WOW. Homophobic? Are you insane? Do you have the slightest Idea of the mind-blowing change in le's world-view required by this new information? All of his memories of Wen Wen are now complicated by the fact that that little girl is now a young man. He finds himself in love with a man when he has always thought of himself as straight. The man he is in love with is his old, childhood friend Wen Wen. The man he is in love with is TRANS, which means Le has no idea what kind of plumbing that man has "down there" or how they would express their love in a physical/sexual sense. The man he is in love with has been around for months, pretending to be someone else. And on and on...
A lot of commenters here are being ridiculously dismissive of what Le is entitled to work his way through as a result of this revelation. And now he is being accused of homophobia. Why not throw in transphobia, biphobia, and humanphobia while you're at it?
Personally I liked the slow bits and think it fit the overall story well. They really needed to build the relationship…
Yes, the did need to build the relationship...so why did they waste TWO entire episodes or more on almost nothing happening in that regard? One ep was entirely about the side couple, which in the end, doesn't matter at all.
There's such a perfect duality to this episode. Le loves and missed We-wen, Le loves and missed Amber, realized…
Yu He is pushing him WAY too hard and too fast. I don't care if the series is short; I understand that, but it doesn't excuse the light-speed at which the script is having Le react favorably to all this. I think the character would be in shock and need time to simply come out of it.
Yu He is really not appreciating the magnitude of mental/emotional/romantic adjustments required of Le in the situation within which he finds himself. It is good that she keeps talking to him to help him realize/sort out his feelings, but I also feel like she is pushing him awfully hard. He just needs some TIME. She might as well just say "hurry up you fool! We only have one ep left!"
Given the admirable courage of this series to take on such heavy material, I was disappointed to see so many lazy BL tropes in this ep: Slo-mo, near-miss kiss Amber walking the streets alone (why do film and series actors always walk out in the street when there are perfectly useable sidewalks just feet away?) Le chasing/calling Amber on the same deserted streets Amber walking in front of a car (seriously, I thought "you CANNOT be serious they are going to use this one AGAIN?!) Car approaching at 3 miles per hour, headlights on, streetlights blazing, but driver STILL doesn't see Amber, nor hit the brakes Potentially fatal incident turns out to be nothing serious. Potential GF now helping protagonist discover his love for another man. MOM coming home all of a sudden MOM pressuring kid from youth to give her grandkids (I want to slap these selfish Asian parents) It's like they have children and then immediately jump ahead a generation and act as if the only reason for their children to exist is to produce grandkids for them. Annoying af. They never seem to remember how THEY felt being put under the same pressure by THEIR parents.
OK, I'm done. I still like the show a lot but feel it faltered in ep. 11 and forfeited some great opportunities to do something ORIGINAL.
As I said in the very beginning, this show has a target on its back
What do you mean it "has a target on its back?" Why would this show be "targeted" more than any other? On the other hand, if it DOES have a target on its back, the director painted it theree when he cast Holland as a romantic lead in his first acting attempt and left his hair that hideous shade of yellow. More paint was then applied by the bizarre story/script/plot and a host of implausible occurences.
Are you implying people were out to get the show before it even aired? Why would that be? I for one, never heard of it or Holland until it had aired three or four eps already.
Weird. For a while I thought I was going to see a really interesting romance between an intellectually disabled young woman and a "normie" young man and how that might or might not work, but then all of a sudden it became a standard terminal illness drama and that was it. And that death scene was downright bizarre. Who leaves a woman of her intellect alone with her mother who could check out any moment? Not buying that at all.
What a bunch of neurotic weirdos, especially the FL. Endless acting-out in all directions...including telling her parents out of the blue what was going on. She likes to stir the pot and is crazy af. So those two nice homosexual men are going to ruin their lives by entering into some unholy threesome arrangement? Truly...wtf. 5/10
I came here for Jung Kyung Ho after watching the series "Prison Playbook," in which he portrays a prison guard with a heart of gold. It was fun and interesting to see him here , at least a decade younger, doing the high school bullies/violence/gangs thing. He's a good actor and I'm interested to see what he does next.
I never used to enjoy this type of thing. But maybe that's because I live in the U.S. and Hollywood simply doesn't turn out high school warfare flicks at near the capacity of the Koreans. The violence is so well-staged and acted; it all looks real and again it blows my mind to think the hundreds of hours of rehearsal and filming it takes to create that authentic look and feel which makes all the difference. If you've have the misfortune of seeing the BL "Bad Buddy," with the ridiculously fake gang fight scenes, you know what I'm saying.
Despite all the bloody violence, I have a few questions: These are supposedly high school kids, yet they're out roaming around EVERY night, smoking, drinking, playing pool, fighting and none of them seem to have parents who say "ummm...where the hell are/were you and what's all this blood about? Why do they never study? Where was the proprieter of the pool hall at the end? I know they couldn't get into the tables area because the dudes locked the doors, but wouldn't they have called the cops? Wouldn't that beautiful but stupid girl have called the cops, to prevent what ended up happening?
Oh well, somehow I enjoyed this because of the acting and fight choreo. 8/10
How can a movie have so many potentially hot situations going on all at once and yet still be boring as hell? Don't know the answer, but this flick proves it's possible.
How can a movie have so many potentially hot situations going on all at once and yet still be boring as hell? Don't know the answer, but this flick proves it's possible.
I want BLs to continue to get better and better. You want them to stagnate so you can bask in the sweet, cotton-candy comfort of what you've seen and reacted to countless times before. Thankfully, I'm not you.
It's cute that you think if this happened to you a week would be plenty of time to adjust and marry Amber in the final episode, but don't expect anyone else to buy that as a realistic possibility.
A lot of commenters here are being ridiculously dismissive of what Le is entitled to work his way through as a result of this revelation. And now he is being accused of homophobia. Why not throw in transphobia, biphobia, and humanphobia while you're at it?
Yu He is really not appreciating the magnitude of mental/emotional/romantic adjustments required of Le in the situation within which he finds himself. It is good that she keeps talking to him to help him realize/sort out his feelings, but I also feel like she is pushing him awfully hard. He just needs some TIME. She might as well just say "hurry up you fool! We only have one ep left!"
Given the admirable courage of this series to take on such heavy material, I was disappointed to see so many lazy BL tropes in this ep:
Slo-mo, near-miss kiss
Amber walking the streets alone (why do film and series actors always walk out in the street when there are perfectly useable sidewalks just feet away?)
Le chasing/calling Amber on the same deserted streets
Amber walking in front of a car (seriously, I thought "you CANNOT be serious they are going to use this one AGAIN?!)
Car approaching at 3 miles per hour, headlights on, streetlights blazing, but driver STILL doesn't see Amber, nor hit the brakes
Potentially fatal incident turns out to be nothing serious.
Potential GF now helping protagonist discover his love for another man.
MOM coming home all of a sudden
MOM pressuring kid from youth to give her grandkids (I want to slap these selfish Asian parents) It's like they have children and then immediately jump ahead a generation and act as if the only reason for their children to exist is to produce grandkids for them. Annoying af. They never seem to remember how THEY felt being put under the same pressure by THEIR parents.
OK, I'm done. I still like the show a lot but feel it faltered in ep. 11 and forfeited some great opportunities to do something ORIGINAL.
Are you implying people were out to get the show before it even aired? Why would that be? I for one, never heard of it or Holland until it had aired three or four eps already.
Yeah...6.5/10
5/10
I never used to enjoy this type of thing. But maybe that's because I live in the U.S. and Hollywood simply doesn't turn out high school warfare flicks at near the capacity of the Koreans. The violence is so well-staged and acted; it all looks real and again it blows my mind to think the hundreds of hours of rehearsal and filming it takes to create that authentic look and feel which makes all the difference. If you've have the misfortune of seeing the BL "Bad Buddy," with the ridiculously fake gang fight scenes, you know what I'm saying.
Despite all the bloody violence, I have a few questions:
These are supposedly high school kids, yet they're out roaming around EVERY night, smoking, drinking, playing pool, fighting and none of them seem to have parents who say "ummm...where the hell are/were you and what's all this blood about?
Why do they never study?
Where was the proprieter of the pool hall at the end? I know they couldn't get into the tables area because the dudes locked the doors, but wouldn't they have called the cops?
Wouldn't that beautiful but stupid girl have called the cops, to prevent what ended up happening?
Oh well, somehow I enjoyed this because of the acting and fight choreo. 8/10