Christ, this guy is smart. I am an Ivy Leaguer, and I don't speak the languages he does. I am so impressed by him. Everything I read indicates a fine, sharp mind. I love him as Vegas too. I want more of him!
I really want to read vegaspete's story where i can find this novel
I just read it but it ends at frustrating part where Pete escapes and Vegas is sorry and suffering. I need more cuz really, this story ended up being more compelling than Kinn Porsche. Vegas is, like all bad dudes, deeply pained and complex. I really wanted to see what made him tick. It also makes sense for him to fall for a nice, decent man like Pete. The whole thing is believable. But can't end with Pete leaving him like that!
Mimi, give us more!
PS, Mimi knows everything about this book.. She's amazing.
Anyone know if the guy playing Vegas lived in America? He's got an American accent, not a British one. It's impressive to learn a foreign language as he has when even the alphabet is different. I am sensing he's a smart man. Anyone know his background?
just one question how did you know about how things will goes between pete and vegas i mean in the serie i still…
Yes, and the novel handles it well. I think that the way the did it is justified characterization. To be clear, nobody has to apologize for thinking a topic is interesting. We also watch murder trials and murder mysteries and even are fascinated with serial killers. It does not mean we condone any of this. Fascination does not = acceptance.
See, this is where people get confused -- why are you jumping to the conclusion that we are into SA. VegasPete…
See my reply above. It's verboten as a topic period. You guys would be slammed by SJW's even if you liked Vegas's character growth. I don't think you all realize how bad the censorship is. I allow the convo. I think it's ok to discuss violence, as a way of understanding it.
You know, when I was a kid there was a soap opera where the guy raped the woman (Luke and Laura) and they became the #1 hit show of all time. Women liked it. Of course, the guy was gentle and was in love with her. So yes, there is that. But again, this convo is not even allowed these days. Even the show, as you said, cut it out from the series. Right? And that's Thailand, which is not as badly censored as the West. Imagine the censorship here.
No one here is saying that rape is sexy or is fascinated by it. What they are annoyed about is that the SA that…
But I think rape is a fascinating topic. It's not attractive, but it should not be shunned as a topic either. People need to discuss things to understand them. So I am ok with the discussion.
Moreover, the SJW's would call even Vegas' character growth an apologia. See? They do not allow the convo to happen at all. It's just verboten.
Since ep 7 is not up yet, I want to skirt back to yesterday's convo on Vegas and Pete. I don't want to shame anyone for being fascinated with rape but it is odd cuz the BL demographic is the same as the SJW demographic (ie under 30 and college educated, and votes Democrat). Do you guys keep it a secret that you are into the Vegas Pete rape? How would you respond to the other SJW's who want to shame you over it? I think it's a great question and would love to hear from you.
Mimi , I got the Vegas Pete part of the book but it stopped right before Vegas falls for Vegas (which was itself too abrupt). Anyone have full Pete/Vegas sex?
Just re-watched ep. 6 and still cannot get over how Kinn stayed cuffed for DAYS with death at the door just to get closer to Porsche. Does Porsche know that's why Kinn did it?
They need a reason to justify grading on a curve and giving this series 10/10. ^_^
Wait, what is TMOTB? As for Night Flight, it has a very gratifying ending where the homophobic fuckers get their due. I do not want to give spoilers, but the movie is so good that if this entices you to watch it, then go ahead. This director has done3 films about being gay in Korea, and none of them make it look like it is easy.
But not just his movies. There is even a mixed message with Korean BL's like Where Your Eyes Linger and Cherry Blossoms After Winter showing horrifyingly homophobic parents. Hell, Cherry Blossoms After Winter had the mom of a gay son acts as if she'd just discovered he was a freaking monster. She screams and shakes on seeing him give a small peck on the mouth to another boy. I thought, wait, which shows are giving us the real deal about gay life in Korea? Do they really think gays are monsters? Alas, I think that while it's getting better, the BL's which depict a homophobic society are still more realistic.
I think the BL's do not show that because they are designed to appeal to women and women want romance. Which is no, is not necessarily a bad thing (although the Thai BL's suck). I think women love BL's because we feel like we're getting a glimpse into this secret, sweet side of men. It's the side of men that men fear showing to women. I feel that, anyway. But hey, I also happen to love stories of counterculture and watch gay women movies too. I highly recommend Cate Blanchet's "Carol" if you're interested in a starting point. Like "Night Flight" it is about the struggle to be gay in a place/time when it was not easy, but from a lesbian's view.
They need a reason to justify grading on a curve and giving this series 10/10. ^_^
I got why the tall one fell for the goofy little one . One, the tall guy was, as the plot told us, always, knowingly gay. Two, the short guy was adorable. But there was definitely less explanation for why a heretofore hetero man would give up on the girl he's adored for a long time to be with a man instead. It makes it seem as if being gay is just some casual twist, when in Korea it's actually a big deal. I did think they had some nice allusions to the shorter one's male on male attractions at the start when he stared at his face in the computer room, and then at his naked body in the bathroom. It should've increased those scenes instead of decreasing them, which it did.
Speaking of how awful it is to be gay in Korea, have you ever seen Night Flight? Christ, the gay character is horrifyingly abused in that. I had to hide my eyes at one scene. And the writer/director is, himself, a gay Korean man. So I trust his take on things in his own country.
They need a reason to justify grading on a curve and giving this series 10/10. ^_^
Granted, acting really matters and I did notice that the taller, model, guy was not as natural in his part. But the shorter guy had more experience acting and did well (he's in a wonderful short film about a cafe barrista who falls for a customer).
Either way, it was not the acting that attributed to the weakness of the show, but how it felt like there were entire missing episodes to explain the leaps the characters took. We needed to see more about why (1) the taller model ran away and (2) how/why the shorter guy gave up on the girl and fell for the guy. Those 2 things each needed their own episode to develop.
"My Beautiful Man" was only 6 episodes and a total success, but that was 25 minutes per episode, while this was only 15. It took too much on for such little time. So, ok, not a 10. But not a failure either.
They need a reason to justify grading on a curve and giving this series 10/10. ^_^
Not "only" cuz they are nice looking, but it certainly helps. Else why is that the mass majority of movie stars are good looking? It's not some weird aberration but, rather, the norm.
They need a reason to justify grading on a curve and giving this series 10/10. ^_^
Maybe not a ten if it weren't a BL, but still a high rating cuz the leads were both really cute and it's nice to see nice looking men. Also, the shorter one can act. So that right there ups the rating.
I pretty much agree with everything you wrote, but...I loved it. lol I have no defense for my enjoyment of this…
I totally get why you liked it, and as I said to you in my personal message, I knew you would.. I wanted to like it more but it had too few episodes and too little time. It felt like they were rushing things. Hell, they WERE rushing things. Even "My Beautiful Man" at 6 episodes was 25 minutes each, while this was only 15 . You need more time to tell a story, else why do it as a series at all? Just do it as a compact 90 minute movie and pay attention to motives -- such as the motive the cute lead did not have when he took off . You were right about that. I also wanted to see the short lead fall in love . We saw some of it with him focused on the tall guys lovely face earlier, but damn, that was so good I wanted more. Incidentally, the tall guy is a fashion model, and the short one is in a very popular short K-BL playing a cafe clerk who falls for a customer. Anyone here have the name of that?
Oh, and to the guy above who accused LykeItRuff of "homophobia". LikeItRuff is a gay male. We correspond privately and I know his personal info, though I won't reveal more here. It's just that he differs from a lot of gay men in that he doesn't think there is anything wrong with straight women liking BL's. He has a theory that we like them because it allows us to see a secret side of men. In short, it's a way of knowing men better. I think that is spot on and there is nothing wrong with that. Hell, if it were a "fetish" as some say, we'd be pulling up gay male porn, but we don't. We don't want strictly sex, but the psychology of men falling in love. See?
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Mimi, give us more!
PS, Mimi knows everything about this book.. She's amazing.
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You know, when I was a kid there was a soap opera where the guy raped the woman (Luke and Laura) and they became the #1 hit show of all time. Women liked it. Of course, the guy was gentle and was in love with her. So yes, there is that. But again, this convo is not even allowed these days. Even the show, as you said, cut it out from the series. Right? And that's Thailand, which is not as badly censored as the West. Imagine the censorship here.
Moreover, the SJW's would call even Vegas' character growth an apologia. See? They do not allow the convo to happen at all. It's just verboten.
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Since ep 7 is not up yet, I want to skirt back to yesterday's convo on Vegas and Pete. I don't want to shame anyone for being fascinated with rape but it is odd cuz the BL demographic is the same as the SJW demographic (ie under 30 and college educated, and votes Democrat). Do you guys keep it a secret that you are into the Vegas Pete rape? How would you respond to the other SJW's who want to shame you over it? I think it's a great question and would love to hear from you.
Mimi , I got the Vegas Pete part of the book but it stopped right before Vegas falls for Vegas (which was itself too abrupt). Anyone have full Pete/Vegas sex?
But not just his movies. There is even a mixed message with Korean BL's like Where Your Eyes Linger and Cherry Blossoms After Winter showing horrifyingly homophobic parents. Hell, Cherry Blossoms After Winter had the mom of a gay son acts as if she'd just discovered he was a freaking monster. She screams and shakes on seeing him give a small peck on the mouth to another boy. I thought, wait, which shows are giving us the real deal about gay life in Korea? Do they really think gays are monsters? Alas, I think that while it's getting better, the BL's which depict a homophobic society are still more realistic.
I think the BL's do not show that because they are designed to appeal to women and women want romance. Which is no, is not necessarily a bad thing (although the Thai BL's suck). I think women love BL's because we feel like we're getting a glimpse into this secret, sweet side of men. It's the side of men that men fear showing to women. I feel that, anyway. But hey, I also happen to love stories of counterculture and watch gay women movies too. I highly recommend Cate Blanchet's "Carol" if you're interested in a starting point. Like "Night Flight" it is about the struggle to be gay in a place/time when it was not easy, but from a lesbian's view.
Speaking of how awful it is to be gay in Korea, have you ever seen Night Flight? Christ, the gay character is horrifyingly abused in that. I had to hide my eyes at one scene. And the writer/director is, himself, a gay Korean man. So I trust his take on things in his own country.
Either way, it was not the acting that attributed to the weakness of the show, but how it felt like there were entire missing episodes to explain the leaps the characters took. We needed to see more about why (1) the taller model ran away and (2) how/why the shorter guy gave up on the girl and fell for the guy. Those 2 things each needed their own episode to develop.
"My Beautiful Man" was only 6 episodes and a total success, but that was 25 minutes per episode, while this was only 15. It took too much on for such little time. So, ok, not a 10. But not a failure either.
Oh, and to the guy above who accused LykeItRuff of "homophobia". LikeItRuff is a gay male. We correspond privately and I know his personal info, though I won't reveal more here. It's just that he differs from a lot of gay men in that he doesn't think there is anything wrong with straight women liking BL's. He has a theory that we like them because it allows us to see a secret side of men. In short, it's a way of knowing men better. I think that is spot on and there is nothing wrong with that. Hell, if it were a "fetish" as some say, we'd be pulling up gay male porn, but we don't. We don't want strictly sex, but the psychology of men falling in love. See?