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In a way, his exact crime is unknown. His own statement through his agency states he has a juvenile record with a guilty verdict and detention but states he did not commit SA. But such an official statement is vague as to if the SA was in his official charges but he didn't do it(was a witness only) or if his charges never contained SA.

Now, problem is juvenile records are supposed to be sealed so technically unless his side clarifies what it was, there will be no knowing what it really was. What the media has published is partial details(since the data about the case is censored and limited to initials). From what Dispatch reported and other media have taken out about the case- details like surname of the accused, the high school's same initials, and his gap year- people have extrapolated the crime to be a notorious case where three 2nd year high-schoolers were convicted of repeated car theft, robbery of cash/jewellery and SA of 5 or more victims. This group was found guilty and sent to juvenile detention, but as is with juvenile cases, the verdict was comparatively lenient and some pointed out that if the same case was today, similar teens would have received a much heavier sentence. (https://namu.wiki/w/조진웅%20중범죄%20이력%20폭로%20사건#s-2.1.2).

On another hand, media dug up old anonymous board chats from 2012 and 2018 comments (https://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=cjw&no=2469) which talk of the actor as their alleged schoolmate and stated that he and a bunch of others from their school were convicted for robbery but they mention this alone as the convicted crime aside from other illegal activities like underage drinking and arson.

From what I gathered, poor Signal 2 was the collateral damage and its all, a bit, political. Something, something, S. Korea/political turmoil~winter months/entertainment scandals. The Dispatch article makes sure to mention how the informant was appalled to see Cho Jin-woong participating at the President's liberation day event on TV. The President then attends a freedom fighter's documentary he narrated. And rn many of the ruling party are defending Cho Jin-woong heavily, the opposition bashing both, etc. There is something about Cho Jin-woong's public statements, political connection/national involvement briefly mentioned too.

And apparently, this juvenile record thing had been touched upon earlier after Signal 1 and even before(after his breakout role in deep rooted tree) but never became a thing. Not right after Signal though, a year later. A second dispatch article mentioned they had first received this intel in 2017 but the agency back then denied it as outright false and dispatch never got hard proof back then. And a dcinside actor board's 2018 comments had some of the actor's alleged schoolmates reveal personal details about him but they talk of his conviction for robbery only in high school.

Same. Apparently there is some talk in Korea about the legality because the records are sealed and if it was verified through official ways it would be illegal or something. The Dispatch article quotes an "informant" who tipped them off about various crime records of the actor after seeing him at some government function on TV, presumably knew him personally.

Not going to lie but somehow this kind of thing truly changes perspectives, like, I'm never going to be able to think of Signal the same ever again.
Also, by now I'm convinced there is not one actor or actress who won't have a controversy- Dispatch has a file on everyone...!!

From what I understood of the article the informant 'gave' the details to Dispatch in August but they released it now. The informant was enraged after they saw the broadcast of the august Presidential liberation day function where Cho Jin-woong participated due to a documentary he narrated. And another Dispatch news talked of how they had received a similar report in 2017 but his agency had denied it and they got no proof. Anonymous message board chats from 2018 though talk about his juvenile delinquency(Signal was released in 2016). Unrelated in a way, but the previous government removed statues of said freedom fighter while the current govt is pro and several of them are currently defending the actor over this.

The dispatch allegations were not just about his juvenile delinquency but also included how as an adult rookie actor he assaulted some theatre staff and caused a drunk driving incident for both of which he was indicted. They were determined to cancel him 360degrees. Following this, more accusations of his ill-treating staff and coworkers started. Also I think there was less scrutiny of talents back then- Cho Jin-woong started out, like, 25 years ago, similar to Song Ha-yoon in late 90s-early 2000s.

DO BETTER O READING SKILLS

FRENCH

It is literally a remake of a French drama. Written clearly in the episode.
"Based on the original series "LA MANTE" produced by Jean Nainchrick Septembre Productions/TF1/2017"
Director's previous work was an adaptation of another European work. Mary Kills People remade Canadian show on euthanasia and people dumbly choose to watch because of their oppas and noona then have complaints. If you're allergic to something like milk or flour or peanuts you should be looking at the ingredient list. A pre-existing work means this did not suddenly appear as a shock twist and that Korea is being "corrupted". Do better next time researching so your trad oriental bias is not ruined. NEXT!

Though, its not that trans can't be villains. The core reason why this person (irrespective of gender identity) wanted to become a copycat serial killer was universal being abuse and could have been handled as any normal serial killer copycat as is typical for this genre. Like it could even have been a cis guy killing abusive guys even though the og serial killer was a woman. BUT they chose to make the copycat a "fake" copycat in the original "La Mante" and made the entire story ridiculous and using biased views on transpersons to be so. There is still some episodes left that can go different but I don't know.

While I agree with this sentiment and I wish this was a proper copycat and og murderer helping the detective tale, the original La Mante while it could have been a good show since its basically trying to be a modern Silence of the Lambs went all problematic in the end amplifying too many biases on the gender identity instead of simply following a standard serial killer copycat story. There is still the ending left and a slight hope they'll change some things but I don't know. They might just handle it wrong too or they may introduce a plot twist.

'La Mante' itself was considered by quite a few to be pretty transphobic mainly because of the reasoning it gave the serial killer and other reasons that were poor choices and wit contrasting terribly for no reason with the more vigilante Mantis. In a clinical way, the original inspiration came from Silence of the Lambs- on the other hand is ancient. There is still some episodes left but considering the cops I'm not so sanguine. The laundromat was odd but last episode took the cake.

" create controversy out of nothing"
It isn't nothing. It is literally one professional roasting another in public. A roast is funny but it is not professional and sounded juvenile gaffe for an established pro in the industry to be making. If this was a main character with a major actor being dubbed over it would be an actual "controversy". The reason knetz are saying a thing or two is a general sense of a Korean being insulted for their poor attempts at trying to speak a foreign language by a foreigner. National pride being bruised than anything to do with the acting sphere.

The detailed anecdote was unprofessional on the part of the voice actor and should have been reserved for his friends over drinks. Many viewers didn't catch the dubbing over and were discussing the actor must be fluent(many who were familiar with the actor guessed because of the voice being entirely different) so his intention also comes across as wanting recognition for his work. He could have kept it simple and promoted himself as how he was the one who did this one character's dubbing last minute is why the character sounds so fluent. No reason necessary to mention. Public will understand what they have to from that little. There was no need to shade the Korean actor that much going on to say how even the Korean studio producer burst out laughing. That puts even that person in a spot as well.

I'll give an example. I just saw a stunt double's insta post where she was sharing her experience on set. She is an aspiring actress herself not just a body double. What this voice actor did is the equivalent of any stunt double posting something like - "What a shame look at this actor who can't even do a simple fall for the camera that I had to do it for them and me and the cameraman laughed at their pathetic attempt during the faceshots". Some actors do chose to do everything, but some don't do everything or anything and that is not unprofessional the main service they are providing is acting. Even when they promote how they spent months training in some skill sometimes you can see the stunt doubles for many of the actors in the behind the scene videos in the same clothes standing around in the background.

And lot of KDramas and movies have gotten away with having their actors do the worst rendition of languages like English, Japanese or Russian in small or big roles. Even in roles where the character is born a foreigner they speak Korean fluently but their native foreign language with an accent and viewers have to make do with suspending disbelief. Some actors apparently even butcher Korean regional dialects and get criticized online in Korea. So much outrage over Chinese being done incorrectly is what is blown out of proportions. It is par for the course. Like the other person said, for main roles I'd get the criticism of not putting in the effort but for a guest role? That is not on the actor for taking on the role, that is on the creators of the show! Using voice actors is actually not a bad way to go considering how fixated they are with casting the same people over and over again be it the director or production studio there is a clear pattern of repeating the cast. This actor like some of the others is an actor who the director has worked with before and it is obvious that is why he got this guest role. Why don't they do auditions eh? Most importantly, the post mentions it was dubbed over less than a day before broadcast so another question is why didn't the creators of the show see an issue before by themselves? They just patted the actor on the back for a job well done for months till D-day? They usually almost always have a language teacher and from the photos shared this crew did too. This hired professional who was supposed to ensure that the actors were doing an okay job let someone beyond terrible do whatever till production raised the issue the day before broadcast!?

The real issue lies with the rigid kdrama industry- they almost never cast the better options in the appropriate role and stereotype most foreigners and even diaspora Koreans. Not to mention not putting clear details in cast and crew credit for services. I have often seen many foreign guest role actors are not named with the cast for kdramas while their korean bit part colleagues are. And even when they have korean stage names those are not mentioned.

put a spoiler tag

Dude...if you used traditional google search you'd get the correct answer with some effort in browsing. It literally turns up reddit chats dedicated to the ending with spoilers, and multiple full reviews of the ending and the outrage over it. La Mante pays homage to Silence of the Lambs in ways so if you know that movie or the book you know why the copycat killer was given the storyline. It also connects to the title about the female mantis.

All these AI be it chatgpt or grok are known for "hallucination"- the ability to give a wrong answer confidently as if they were were right https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence)/ and this is especially true of questions over movies and anime. Every time I had tried to look up something I couldn't remember it gives answers that are so far from the rest of the main story I gave up in frustration and would write back angrily. Most of the time it replies back like a mansplainer oh yeah you're right about this detail but rest of it I was right about. I gave up and went back to plain old search engines. They're ironically faster to navigate and being search engines actually give some search result.

Edit: I went and tried chatgpting La Mante spoilers and first it said it was the cop son and upon being rebuked it started making up character scenarios from half-sister seeking closure to obsessed psychiatrist. When I prompted it with the answers wife and then wife's friend it generated an entire fake scenario and background for the killer calling them a cop or psychiatrist who wants revenge contradicting its own initial answer. I even put in the other cop and the grandfather and it came out with even more bizarre answers about justice being complex.😂

He was a actor but not a star actor. What is called support actor commonly, who appear in limited number of scenes or episodes in works. The industry has a gazillion actors and limited opportunities. Very few actors are cast as mains or make it big as star actors who get much higher appearance fees and other revenue opportunities to make it rich. Most actors are just regular people doing a contract job. There are also a lot of hidden costs in the acting industry such as what percent the agency takes.

About his financial difficulties, I don't know which you refer to in specific. But both the news I have seen circulating are stated as *anecdotes from acquaintances*. It is hearsay. Media is coasting through because his contract with his agency had ended before or at the time of his DUI incident and there are no official statements or management from the agency unlike in similar situations. K-media are citing what they say his acquaintances have said about his family situation and are using old interviews to make headlines. The news also reported he held a teaching position at present.

The first version quotes someone saying he was having financial difficulties and fewer job offers in the past few years which there is no other substantiation of than the close acquaintance. Yet another acquaintance in another article said he was having a hard time in the past week reading malicious comments and headlines. The other version about his financial difficulty is taken from interviews from the covid year 2020 about his family's private and business difficulties from five years ago. That narrative is outdated, irresponsible and malicious. They also doxxed his daughters faces from when they were minors(they are adults now) simply because the photograph was available in the deceased's inactive social media. His family are not celebrities and they have a right to privacy. The articles end up reading like someone is subtly pushing the blame on his family in public eye when it is already a terrible time for them. Picking through old interviews should be considered noise and gossip. The police's official statement was that no note was found with the body and while no foul play is suspected, they have not finished the enquiry into his suicide. Even if privacy were not paramount, nobody can know state of mind. The media is always looking to wrap things up with a neat bow a.s.a.p. even if it turns out their hearsay was incorrect later.

This is so sad and shocking! Just few days ago the other news came out- it is so tragic the way things went 💔😢 Rest in peace

I wish K-dramas did it like J-dramas where they make a special movie when a drama was successful even if there won't be a season 2🥲

I was glad Ji-ho didn't end up with Hye-ri but they could have showed him moving on and meeting someone too. Happy for the Do-yeon and Jin-ung crumbs. The post credits scene had me laughing. But girl sure left lot of rituals unfinished just like her education. With that, the school friends were the best. The coach too. I wish they had given us at least 14 episodes and been done with Yeom-hwa sooner.

Bong-su this, Gyeon-u that.
I wanted to see more of Do-yeon and Jin-ung!