PeachBlossomGoddess

He is terrific in Eternal Brotherhood. IMO it’s his best role. But yes the plot is dense it’s not easy to watch.

2025: Fated Hearts, Blood River, Kill My Sins and The Glory. And you could also say Immortal Ascension.

Others - Riverside Code, Fearless Blood and yes… drum roll - The Untamed

The rules are vague and subject to interpretation and can be discussed with the review team.

Couldn’t agree more. I do like that there is no super genius and everyone is well matched and also makes mistakes. I just wish they stop trying so hard to brainwash us with dialogue and show us instead.

Yes exactly - the plot twist shocked him. But it is also setting him free. Because he is beginning to see they were all actually just pawns on a bigger chessboard, even YFS. And it wasn't personal, it was driven by national interest. So he doesn't have to blame himself or anyone. In fact, they were defeated largely because they allowed personal interest to trump national interest.

I saw this post as well but I didn't find it that convincing. Gu Yu's army is super important but Gu Yu himself was IMO quite ineffective. I feel the narrative/Huai'an overstates his importance. One thing I don't like about the writing is that they keep trying to pull the jedi mind trick on the audience - they keep saying Bai'Tou was so smart yada yada yada but they didn't really show us that. In fact, he made many mistakes. Don't get me wrong, I actually like him more bc he has flaws but his kiddy street creed was not really earned, it was just told. Similarly they tell us Gu Yu is so important yada yada yada and then show us a damsel in distress. To me so far, it is Wuyang that seems to be the smart and capable general and Gu Yu more like a red herring.

Yes this explanation makes sense. Idk if it was Cen who saved him but certainly one of his father's allies had to have secretly helped him. It could also have been Yang Chuhao or Old Sha - remember Liu Zhi/Huai'an somehow has all his dad's correspondence with Yang. And when he returned to Chang'an he said the old Liu mansion would never be sold bc it was held by a rich merchant - I assume that had to be Yang. All the old bystanders who may not have explicitly taken sides in the Huben power struggle are emerging from the woodworks. The ribbon or old flag that Huai'an removed should be a call to arms just like the White Bone song that the Tiemo played is. This writer likes to write parallels.

Oh for sure this not NIF but it doesn’t have to be to be enjoyable to watch.

Sorry I may have spoiled you wrt Wumei.

Yes that is not a well written plot arc and kind of contrived for some extra angst. I don’t like it either but in the grand scheme of the story even if you remove that arc or assume it was a different person that was the decoy it doesn’t change the overarching plot by that much other than to make Huai’an sadder and angrier. There are other plot holes but the pacing of the narrative and the twists are good enough the audience moves on to the next arc before they can notice or dwell on them.

It’s a Huben stronghold within Chang’an itself so there must be w few ways in and out. They could just scale the walls at night. Huai’an needed to move about openly there so he needed a fake identity. Wumei should have become separated from Gu Yu when she helped Wuyang escape.

Yes

Maybe -3 more episodes

I am hoping he works for Wuyang or Gu Yu. I mean we need some spies on our side’!!

Ah ok thx - they have left Chang’an then. Yes I remember thinking the guy may have lost his wife in the war and wondered why he defected to Tiemo.

Lol - I am a very stingy rater. I will finish this year with zero 9.5s. And I haven’t given a 10 in years.

Well you could be right about the plot. I already have some big questions I will need answered but I am willing to let it play out for another episode or two before coming to the same conclusion as you.

He is a Tiemo prince - is he the Tiemo King's son? Maybe Huai'an/Wuyang should capture him. Hostage exchange.
Who is the Fang Genghui guy who was accompanying him to Chang'an. It sounds like he is not from Tiemo. Could he be a Chang'an spy?

I have been re-watching some parts (on Netflix) and have some questions on the Tiemo envoy Wuyin Chong:

You probably mean to say from go to chess. Go is a vastly more complex game than chess with many more possible moves, positions and outcomes. The computer broke chess decades ago but only recently was able to break go and even then via sheer brute force only. Plot wise, I see some potential holes but am willing to stick with it for a bit before coming to that conclusion its sagging as I don't think we have seen the go board yet. As for Wang Jinsong's casting, agree that he fits the teacher part but not so much the king.