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From what grounds are you saying this? I don’t get how you can predict if a drama is going to be bad or not from the cast alone when they are all veteran actors who have proven themselves. Like I can understand if they were some newbies or idol actors but this is too much.

This dramatic reaction can’t be just because they’re older so I don’t know how else you want the to interpret these comments.

They’ll obviously adjust the story to fit their ages? It’s not really that big of a problem. Most of the comments just say wow the cast is bad instead of explaining anything (don’t get how being older equate to bad anyway). If they were only concerned about the male leads, they would say so instead of dragging in the whole cast.

how is them being older equate to them being bad as OP said? You don't even know what they mean since you're not OP. Obviously they're gonna change the story to fit the characters, idk what's so bad about it.

She had better chemistry with the CEO than with Lu Li. Just wish it was about the two of them instead of Lu Li and his double identity, mystery baggage. Would’ve streamlined the plot too instead of this weird romance comedy, mystery, transmigration mess it turned out to be.

And then they go on about how Koreans are obsessed with visuals and how judgemental Asian societies are as if they're not exactly the same.

I guess now we know why your faves get plastic surgery until they look unrecognizable. How could they not with comments like the ones below?

This is old but same, I thought Shinji was her ex at first and audibly rolled my eyes.

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No problem 😊

I see. Your tone wasn’t quite clear since it is written rather than said. Maybe try adding on a laugh emoji like you did here so it’s more clear you’re joking. No hard feelings though.

Based on a true story actually when a Korean independence fighter assassinated the Japanese prime minister when he was in Harbin before Japan officially colonized Korea. It’s set during Japan’s colonial rule over both China and Korea. Naturally, the fight towards independence crossed borders since the two were oppressed by the same country.

For anyone interested or confused about why it’s named after Harbin, a city in China.

“Story of Korean independence activists in the early 1900's. They risked their lives to fight against Japanese rule and to achieve Korea's independence. In Harbin, China, the freedom fighters set upon a daring attack.” - asianwiki

It’s basically during Japan’s colonial rule over both China and Korea. Naturally, the fight towards independence crossed borders since the two were oppressed by the same country. There’s a museum for Korean independence activists in Harbin as well as a stone monument in Xi An that the Chinese government put up.

“A delegation from the Korean government held a ceremony at the memorial site on May 9, taking the opportunity to thank the Chinese government for making the memorial hall possible. ”

“It is said that the stone monument has an inscription engraved in both Korean and Chinese, verifying that the site served as a stronghold for patriots fighting for independence from Japanese colonial aggression throughout the 1930s and 1940s. The epitaph is also said to affirm the amity between Korea and China.”

Link: https://time.com/2609/104-years-later-a-chinese-train-station-platform-is-still-the-site-of-anti-japanese-rancor/

The comment above you literally says it’s related to the Chinese city lol. Makes more sense for it to be related to the Chinese city (since Korea and China share history) than a random Arabic word. I also linked an article above if you want to know more about it.

The “weird” camera angles you’re referring to might be the breaking the fourth wall thing Sina and Gojin does in some episodes. It’s very intentional though. Breaking the fourth wall is a performance technique used by a lot of filmmakers mainly for comedic effect ie. Deadpool, The Office.

Japanese dramas also use it a lot which Kdrama watchers famously hate for being unnatural so maybe that’s why a lot of average kromcom watchers thought the same with this drama.

If you watch Crazy Love, it makes sense why they chose to include it since it is mostly a comedy/satire and then a romance. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Twitter folks are unfamiliar with this concept and decided to judge something before asking themselves “maybe I’m wrong?”

This is old but correction on the Asia part. China definitely is harsh on that but I can't say the same for Korea with their joke of a law regarding sexual offenses.

Nowhere in your original or second comment did you say anything about your comment being about society's opinion in general. You've been VERY adamant about this concept being a part of the show which is just false. None of the stuff you're saying has anything related to what we're talking about. I never took this conversation seriously. I'm literally just posting a comment on a public forum. If you can't handle arguments opposite of you and sees it as an immediate attack, don't comment in the first place; just a suggestion. It's you who has been insisting this is an argument lol.

"But its *A* concept that irks me."
This is literally what you said: "~~im not saying that what anyone in this drama is good OR bad btw I dont remember much anyways, its just the concept that irks me." "I know that this is not the ENTIRE concept but its definitely there :D"
It's THE concept, not A concept you mentioned so don't try to bring in unrelated topics or backtrack on your views. You literally said THE concept several times, never A concept. You were clearly saying this concept is a part of the show which is again, false.

"Perhaps you never went under the scrutiny of such situation irl (and good for you!!) but thats what I meant :)"
Again, what does this have to do with anything we're talking about? I mean seriously. You just bring up a bunch of topics and never elaborate on them. I think you're tiring to say society judges people for just being angry and I don't understand it bc I've never been in such a situation.
1. I have been in many situations like this, a lot of people do.
2. This has nothing to do with the convo. I already stated THIS is not what this drama is about. If you were talking about something else then please don't comment about it in an article about this drama.

"I am not saying that those characters are representatives of humanity or something. Very FEW people will resort to such deeds when their buttons are pushed."
Again, this is not what I said. You were talking as if these were people who just had a bad day, slapped someone, and then Nanno came in to punish them. That's totally not what happened. That's all I'm saying. They deserved it so your idea of "why should i be punished just bc I'm angry?" has NOTHING to do with this drama. Again, you made it VERY clear you were talking about this drama so idk why you're bringing in society or whatever. I mean it's a valid feeling but it has nothing to do with this show.

" how they tend to judge so fast you don't even know what hit you, " Again, this has nothing to do with this drama so if you were not talking about it but society then maybe don't comment under an article about this drama? I'm so confused by this. Is it such a hard thing to understand?

My point has always been your idea of punishing people for just being angry or society judging is not what this drama is about at all. The fact you admitted to not remembering much but insisting on this concept being a part of the drama is what doesn't make sense to me. And now you're taking back your argument and insisting you were just talking about society or whatever once someone explained to you maybe your argument was wrong. Idk if you genuinely don't understand or are pretending you were talking about something else bc you don't want to be wrong. Idk how many times I have to reiterate. Maybe your English comprehension is not that good, in that case, I apologize. I don't think this conversation has to continue considering you don't get my point no matter how many different ways I explain so have a good day.

I'm just gonna chalk it up to some people not being equipped to handle dark satirical works bc all of your points are seriously not what this drama is about AT ALL.

And I'm saying the concept that you and ellietheelai seem to be talking about is not what the show is about at all. It's not the entire concept nor is it present anywhere in the show. That is a fact. I mean if you just said personally you don't understand it, that's fine but to make a drama be something else entirely different to fit your narrative is an invalid point. You even admitted to not remembering much about it so what makes you so confident in your statement? It's fine if this is your own personal opinion but you're stating it as if it's a fact which is why I'm just asking for some evidence and reasoning.

"Why is it that if I (for example) am sweet and smiling and help others but when Im put in a bad position or get mad then I am "exposed" for my true colors? I just dont get it :/"
I mean are you going around killing people when you're mad? No. That's the difference between the characters in this show and normal people like you and me. These two things aren't comparable at all. Idk how you can equate having a bad day and getting mad at something to killing or raping a person. Your logic is flawed yet you insist on using your flawed logic to make the drama out to be something it is not.

"And as I said I dont think they are actually GOOD because I know they do horrific stuff BUT the concept applies nontheless,"
I never said anywhere in my comment that you think they're good. How does the concept apply nonetheless? If you're gonna post an opinion on a public forum, please elaborate, thanks.

I'm not arguing either. I simply replied to your comment with the intent of having a simple discussion. That's all. Having responses different from yours does not mean the person wants to argue with you.

"You see, everyone in the series wasn’t really that bad to start with."

They WERE bad from the beginning. Our actions and choices are a result of our personality and beliefs which are cultivated over our lifetime. It's not humanly possible to change all of that bc of the arrival of a random girl overnight. There's no way they just turned from perfectly normal people to selfish horrible beings that fast which just means they already had horrible beliefs like this. I mean you don't see your crush liking another girl and then immediately go to having her gang-raped, right?

"If Nanno hadn’t appeared, would they do the same decision they make in the show? Because as if Nanno will stop unless she made them do whatever she initially intended for them to do. They say Nanno is not forcing them to do but she’s always leaving some of them with no other choices."

If it's not Nanno then it could've easily been another person. The guy she liked would've eventually gone on to date someone and the same thing would've happened to that person. Except, of course, they would stay forever dead. Nanno left them with plenty of choices. EVERY ONE OF THEM in fact. There was not a single character on this show who was forced to do what they did. Just give me character and I'll write about them. Unlike in real life, they actually get the consequences of their actions thanks to Nanno's demon powers but the same cannot be said for the real-life cases. I get what you're saying, you feel sorry for those poor girls with their silly crushes but plenty of us have been ignored, rejected, humiliated, even shamed for our affections; that's just a fact of life as long as you live, but we chose to move on instead of killing someone. They were never "not bad." Just crazy, bad people.

This "you can't just do or say whatever the heck you want and get away with it bc you're a teenager" point is made very clear in the magic bathroom stall ep. Sure, if Nanno wasn't there to make it magic then none of the murder might've not happened but again, some other girl would've eventually attracted the guy's attention, the delusional manager girl would've then also gone on to write on the stall, the hurtful things she wrote would've still spread across the school, gotten the girl bullied, affected her mental health and who knows maybe she might've committed suicide. Words have power even if you think otherwise. You can't just spout bs and get away with it bc you're a "hormonal" teenage girl in love.

The characters in this aren't just normal mad though? It's not like they get mad and then punch someone. Nope. One girl literally tries to orchestrate the gang rape of a girl with her friend bc the guy they like doesn't like her back and likes the other girl instead. A teacher has a affair with his students, gets them pregnant, and never takes consequnces for his actions. Another teacher literally commits a mass shooting.

The point of the show is never the worst in people is their entire identity. It's that we can choose to commit evil actions or control ourselves. We actually get an episode all about how just bc someone is a thief, a bad thing to be, doesn't mean they cannot make choices that are good and be a decent person. Once again, completely missed the point of the show. that's not its concept at all; I mean this in the nicest way but if you don't remember much then don't comment on the entire concept of the drama?

Some people find it funny. Idk why you’re making such a big deal of it. I didn’t like this drama either but to say this makes you disappointed in the whole human race when there are bigger problems in the world lol. Let people like what they like. Just respectfully express your opinion.