Rahab75

I agree several of your points and I disagree with at least as much of your points, but what I really wanted to say that if I were you I would not bother to keep trying to convince hate watchers. You and many others were fighting with tooth and nail in the past week to argue thoughtfully and meticulously, trying to bring attention to the compexities and symbolic aspects of the narrative, but none of your valid points were counter-argued. They are not listening. They just keep ranting about their strawman version of this show instead of what is going on the screen. A waste of effort.

YJ punched Mu Ren because he thought he made a move to the man he obsessively loves. He did not know about their relationship. He did not do it because he is a bad man who likes beating people up in the street, but becasue he was not in his right mind. He is a mentally unstable kid, in urgent need of professional help. He does everything what he thinks XS wants and needs, twisted as it is, and that includes the hotel room scene. Naturally, it does not make his actions right nor does it justify them.

Enjoyably ramshackle just like the first season, though with noticeably higher production values. A bit too much jealousity for its own good and sometimes protracted, but fun to watch from start to finish as much as its predecessor.

You have launched another avalanche of buzzwords "'toxic", "problematic", etc to come. Sigh.

It is not YJ's idea out of nowhere. When he had a convo with his mom, before their trip to the sea, it is mentioned that XS would prefer living at home with the whole family, he basically moved out because he was afraid of his dad finding out his secret life. YJ is doing everything for him. He is clearly a good person who happens to have serious mental problems.

There is a direct, if side, connecting thread with MODC. Liu Mei Fang' character is the sister of Hao Ting, played by the same actress.

It is not YJ's idea out of nowhere. When he has a convo with his mom, before their trip to the sea, it is mentioned that XS would prefer living at home with the whole family, he basically moved out because he was afraid of his dad finding out his secret life.

What I was trying to say that he seems to think he knows what is best for Xing Si and he should do whatever he wants to make him happy, regardless of whether Xing Si wants to go thorugh what he planned for him or not. As if he did not consider Xing Si should have a few more say about his own life. But after what he did to him at the end of episode 8, when he hided him in the bathroom just when he was about to cry, I have started to revaluate this as well.

Do you mean killing off the brothers or just one of them? The writer is known for the tragic end of MODC, yet I doubt they wanna go through that passage again.

You could have said "I have no argument so boooo". That saves even more space.

I have written elsewhere that Yong Jie could have chosen the longer way. He could have expressed he knows about Xing Si's feelings for him and he could have reassured him it is mutual. No doubt this is a more difficult, longer procedure with more hassle, but less controversial. Yet Yong Jie always wants quick fix and he wants to control and drive everything himself. And here comes his mentally disturbed, antisocial personality with slight socipathic tendencies. He cannot take others' sensitivity and inhibitions into consideration. He knows Xing Si wants him and tries to sort this out for him inconsiderately. The same with Xing Si's dad. He purposefully tries to transfer the possible future outcome of Xing Se's coming out to himself, not being considerate that it is Xing Sie's path, he has to go through this with his dad, Yong Jie could just give him a hand and be by his side at best. I guess their journey will be about teaching each other to change. Xing Si is likely to help him to get rid off his obsessive tendencies and mental disturbance, not to treat people like chess peaces, whereas Yong Jie is likely to teach Xing Si - in his twisted ways - that he needs to be a bit more selfish about his own happiness vs expectations of his dad and the people around him in genreal. Actually, that is why I like this story line. It covers interesting avenues and it handles taboo and stigma subjects quite effectively so far. Honestly, I did not expect that from this series when it started in its zany way.

The sarcasm actually is strong on solipisism5's comment.

I get your points and I agree with them, but that is just not what I am talking about here. I guess the creators definitely wanted to show a morally wrong, condemnable and scheming but strictly consensual situation, and actually they made a pretty fine balance. That is why the verbal and non-verbal foreplay was so carefully worded and constructed, and that why Xing Si 's freakout the day after is entirely and vocally about his feel of shame instead of feeling like a rape victm. Even when Yong Jie arrives he keeps slapping him only when he repeatedly says "I love you not as a brother". The creators IMHO were hell bent on avoiding rape. And that is why it is so depressing to read these one byte knee-jerk reactions, and I cannot help but feel bad faith behind at least the most of them and also a compulsion to conform.

I did not mean that Xing Se should undertake the role of psychiatric care, of course, the kid certainly needs professional help. But not just that one. Someone you love and someone who loves you back could also be a big help along counceling to help you change.

What I have replied to Flypsyde just right above probably answers your questions too.

Not necessarily. He could have chosen the longer way. He could have expressed he knows about Xing Se's feelings for him and he could have reassured him it is mutual. No doubt this is a more difficult, longer procedure with more hassle, but less controversial. Yet Yong Jie always wants quick fix and wants to control and drive everything himself. And here comes his mentally disturbed, antisocial personality with slight socipathic tendencies. He cannot take others' sensitivity and inhibitions into consideration. He knows Xing Se wants him and tries to sort this out inconsiderately. The same with Xing Se's dad. He purposefully tries to transfer the possible future outcome of Xing Se's coming out to himself, not being considerate that it is Xing Se's path, he has to go through this, Yong Jie could jus give him a hand and be by his side at best. I guess their journey will be about teaching each other to change. Xing Se is likely to help him to get rid off his obsessive tendencies and mental disturbance, not to treat people like chess peaces, whereas Yong Jie is likely to teach Xing Si - in his twisted ways - that he needs to be a bit more selfish about his own happiness vs expectations of his dad and the people around him in genreal. Actually, that is why I like this story line. It covers interesting avenues and it handles taboo and stigma subjects quite effectively so far. Honestly, I did not expect that from this series when it started in its zany way.

Another illiterate shithead being capable of nothing but throwing insults. Go an educate yourself on rape and shove your abuse up where the Sun does not shine.

You have not done anything else since the beginning but repeating the same crap. You cannot argue, you cannot back up your points (if any), all you can do is throwing labels to yourt opponents. There was no rape, even if you choke on your volmit. Edn of :D We have acknowledged, your brain is replaced by Swiss cheese with holes. Luckily, screenwriters do not listen to patethic shits like that. Enjoy the step bros budding love hun. :)

Without doubt one of the best and most beautiful BLs of all time. Imaginatively written, sensitively directed, arrestingly acted and character-driven all the way, filled with love, understanding and an avalanche of true emotions. Plus a lavish production. And apart from these escellencies, it literally kicked nearly all BL clichés in the arse. An instant classic.

Btw I hope they get together quite soon, so you can get a shudders. I prepare my popcorn :D