Raincat

People get bruised diferently.
There are people who even cant sit on hard chair without having bruises on butt or lift weights in gym without deep bruises on bicepts/muscle on upper hand/ and no this isnt illness but normal thing.
But there are people who rarely get bruises and to have bruise in this level they need to get beat very hard.

So...let doctors do judgement how and what. Thous images only show us that there is injury - and poofs this fact. And this is already sufficent for assault report but insufficent to make bystanders judgement of assaults characteristic.

I agree with you.
I never said that Se Young doesnt have any faults. She choose her way itself but she doesnt defy responsibility, she bears consequenses but if there is not fair game / false rumours, dirty manipulations in business, harming her family or bystanders/ - she fights back. She doesnt seek sly and dirty revenge but fair fight.

This is very good drama, characters are well written and actors do stellar work. Even if i dont like Hong Joo like character - i love how actress makes her role.

One piece of information. DISPATCH - what is it?

http://kpopdecoder.com/decoding-in-progess/dispatch-the-owner-of-k-pop-pandoras-box/

Very good article about this media outlet.

"Dispatch, which started in early 2011 by journalists at SportsSeoul.com, has rapidly build its reputation by what they call a combination of “paparazzi journalism” and “the spirit of investigative journalism” (proudly explained in their introduction page [ko]). In their intro, they emphasize that they at least get ‘their facts’ straight in Korean entertainment news industry ridden with celebrities’ ‘initials’ (I personally dont get how these news media call themselves making ‘news’ when everything is anonymous)......"

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Few questions bc your answer in comment is toatal mess for me.
1. You say that married person cant act like single and this hints clearly onto some sexually targeted activity - so besides Min Woo's wife who was married and had sexually targeted activity to whom you hint?
/ working together isnt sexually targeted activity if person doesnt work in prostitution or porn related line /
2.So...his wife is doing suicide attempt bc her father home is going under hammer to pay back dept and after that he must hang himself on her like spanjel and all life get made guilty bc her fathers situation is his fault?

He was there for her when she lost child and got to be sterile,he was there for her then and now when wife needs to be there for him, after his business collapses and he has lost all confidence in himself , she refuses to do so..

She is trying suicide and after thet gives him ultimatum: leave with her and go to dept prison or stay and find solution for crisis what might affect many people besides their family.

3. Does suicide is considered morally ok for married people? Isnt it biggest sin, and acting selfishly like single person who dont have responsibilities to partner ?
Or if you dont succeed bc some stranger steps in...it then doesnt caunt? All is ok and forgiven ? Not affecting bleeding or flesh wounds to your partner, only some mental damage is ok? No need reflect? Seek forgivness?...ummm,

/ btw. traditional view on sterile and childless married women in korea is kinda harsh and already this is considered there for ok reason to divorce but he didnt do this, he supported her and wanted still be with her and he didnt pity her /

Its not that i dont like your comments but i cant understand from where you comeso i seek explanations...im very curious person.

p.s. part fom mine weird style of writting might occur bc eng. isnt mine native language and mine skills are poor.

lol...seems that i must agree that we never agree :D

Btw. Se Young got fired bc Min Woo made false rumour about Seok Hoons divorce.
He was doing this bc Hong Joo demanded that Min Woo ruins his husband and Se Young . In fact Se Young didnt cause divorce....bc reason for it was something else.
So you saying that she got fired bc she caused divorse is from one side right bc that rumor made people think so but in fact she got framed.

Min Woo knew very well how this rumour damages her relationship with her father and ruins her image. It was kinda creepy to see Hong Joons reaction to news.
But this wasnt enough for her, so Min Woo went to talk with Se Young father. We only heard about one million but what more he was saying? Maybe that Se Young brought to herself boytoy who was married for dirty fun? Other than lie on this level cant give this kind reaction. If he was told to father that his daughter hired assistant for three days with whom work on secret project and paid one million / like it actually was / - i think her father just asked " so what is problem here?"

Btw. all good men like proclaim sometimes that they are bad bc they have consience. Really bad men never say that...this is real live truth.

Marriage isnt onesided thing that one allways keeps attention and is allways there for other partie and that other partie can give selfish ultimatums and not give any attention or understanding back...in this case i even dont start talk about trust. Marriage is something else / im married myself, so i know littlebit /

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Maybe i made wrong assumption about Fast Forward but it only happened bc you have so big holes in story. This can easily happen with FF.
But if this assumption was wrong then i really dont know what causes your selective amnesia....at least it is fashionable now, nearly every new drama has one character with it.

But lets keep watching i lets see how things go... :D

Main point here is - this drama doesnt have forbidden love, only love affair what it has is what Min Woo exwife has with her first love.

You keep dening that they / Seok Hoon and Se Young/ started their relationship when they where both compleatly free and single.
This isnt forbidden love...and if you are disappointed that it isnt "that" kind drama then just drop it and move on. Take example from Seok Hoon, not from Hong Joo. :D

You clearly need rewatch first episodes.....bc nothing happened in Hong Kong. Dream what Hong Joo is seeing isnt reality, dont get confused...or you think that working together is one form of affair too? Then i have affairs nearly every day.

Hong Joo gets first into contact with Min Woo, righ after leaving hotel, she goes his home when Seok Hoon is still in Hong Kong, she doesnt pick up his call what he makes risking break rules set by Se Young.
She lets Min Woo flirt with her openly and unambiguously, she knows he is married, he has bad reputation with women and is famous playboy.


Romance between Seok Hoon and Se Young is beautiful, strong and true, they arent not only lovers and soulmates but partners and good friends too.
Their relationship isnt just one side enlessly giving and other receiving only like his marriage was.
They didnt become lovers before he was divorced, his relationship to Hong Joo was finished and reason for divorce wasnt him wanting to get free from his wife but it was his wifes onesided will what he respected in the end after trying all what he could to mend their relationship.
And still even after she gets what she wants and telling him that she doesnt love and trust him anymore - she still isnt satisfied, she still cant let past go and start from fresh. She searches ways how to ruin him, gives to her family wrong impression that divorce is what he wanted bc he wants live with other woman and has been adulterer....what isnte not true but she fears tell truth bc she knows she isnt right, she isnt being fair.

I guess that all thous misinterpretations you got bc you didnt watched drama but simply Fast Forwarded.

muhahaaa....3 hour bicyle ride in public place is considered like affair...muhahaaa. Thanks for good lauhg <3
How is then living week in married man house would look ?
And privately sipping wine under moon?

Hong Joon isnt agnry bc of this she acts it out like she is victim but actually she is angry that he didnt follow him when she put out ulimatum by throwing childish tantrums after her selfish suicide attempt what made him take Se Young's offer for staing three days with her. Hong Joo knew inside thatthis offer was actually punishment to her from Se Young, who saved her life, doing something that stupid. If you can kill herself and leave him behind then you should be able bear three days without knowing what he is doing and how he is living. THAT was what made her angry - she herself caused it not him or her...and that is what she cant forgive them. She convinces herself that behind all that must be something dirty and bc her petty personality she sticks with it. Without her constant rubbing thous two never got this close and all temporary tempations would cooled down soon. She always looks down to all people around her - you havent noticed it? Her selfpitty fuels her revenge thoughts and eats her from inside and poisons them who are around her.

Seok Hoon wasnt tempted by Se Young bc she seduced him, he isnt this easy man. He was tempted bc he felt that she can see what he is worth. She gave him wings for three days and it felt incredible after business failure what he had. It gave him back selfconfidence and perspective. It was so strong and addictive rush, what made him confused for moment. This bicycle ride was actually his thank you gesture. He seeking her up in homeland was first mix of his confusion and his newly found business confindence and need to actually start his working career again. He considered to cut down all what made him wavering or confused, it wasnt him who distanced himself from wife but wife who rejected him, demanded separation and then divorce. She never gave him chanse. And you cant say that he didnt try hard - he did.

@xoxo , it is your comment here what is not relevant in context and tries make mine comment into something what it isnt.

Yes they are menanigless bc third party comments are from persons who wasnt witnesses but they only tell what they think and belive is truth / this doesnt mean they lie but this means that it must be proven bc we cant take this like fact before that/....media trials in this case can harm that girl too - sasaengs soon know who she is, do you think her life is same after that ? She is after that "public person" whos life is open to comment to everyone, no privacy anymore. You think this is good outcome? You boldly say that there is proof of abuse - there is only proof that "they had argument what got physical at least once", so to tell about abuse is better after officals reveal more facts, it makes her statement stronger, now there is danger that all this gets buried under different kind rumours and buzz, in the end it even might get to be point in court to help him not her.

I understand young people have hot heads and hearts but real life needs some brain too.

First i dont defend here anybody - i just answer to your last question.
You can broke ribs by playing around:
- in sports training / some jokes and carelessness might lead to injury /
- falling from bicycle
- joke wrestling in place what isnt suited for wrestling / one mine friend got ribs broken when she joke -wrestled for tv remote with his husband in livingroom and she falled down from couch /

a.s.o. I dont say that this applies or not with their case but i say that this is possible.

Happy Birthday and Fighting!!!!!!! I really hope that latest scandal doesnt affect his life and KeyEast very badly. It would be sad to see that his company goes down bc of something like that.

I think we need first wait with what official investigation ends. All third partie comments and media trials are meaningless and harm both sides.

If public commentaries and forum articles could keep justitse we dont need police and jury.
So i dont like to heard onesided oppinions - not about girl and not about KHJ. All so called "evidence" what has been revealed in media still can be interpreted both ways and this means it isnt time for comments yet.
But there is always a lot netizens who know better than police what exactly is going on, i suspect they have third eye.....sadly i have only two.

p.s. By thous "evidences" given by media i can construct two different stories if i want - one positive for girl and other positive for KHJ....so, all this till now isnt worth of commenting.

p.s.@Aya97 - thous 2 points arent facts but conclusions from something.
Facts are:

1.Girl A knew KHJ from 2012 and he knew her
2.She has gotten injured and has it documented by doctor in 30-31.05.2014.
3.They had argument what got physical at least once
4.She has reported KHJ to police for assault.

jep, bad ones want and it isnt usually and with every relationship.

His wife's selfish suicide attempt forced him to stay and his wifes petty personalty forced her to leave him there.
Keeping contacts with Se Young and Min Woo has bit different and complicated reasons but boldly brings out their deeper hidden colours.

they dont try make her mean - her personality was pety from the start.
And there isnt need to pity "new couple", they do well and are strong.
just rewatch and you see.

I must disagree with you. Tastes are different and i personally find this drama to be very interesting - plot is intense and has many deep layers. Jungshin makes here nice role, his acting is good, no need to envy other CNBLUE members hee.

I love how they bit by bit reveal all about Hong Joo's fakeness and hypocrisy.
Somebody mentioned here that every character has made his/her choices. Yes, It is right.
She choose to leave him in Hong Kong, nobody forced her. It was only her own free will. Nobody forced her to mistrust her husband - this was her choice.
Seok Hoon made his own choices too. After he get know about his wife's foolish suicide attempt he choose to take risky step, he choose to trust her wife.He didnt do anything shameful within thous three days, only felt temporary temptation but he managed stop himself.
Here we have wife who throws away her life for one million bc her dad loses his home and husband who sells away three days of life for same one million bc his wife.
Choices.....and why they made them.

Til now i like this drama, it has very well written plot and actors make good roles. In this drama white isnt always white and black isnt black, what seems in first glance sweet might be poison and what looks like poison might be medcine.
In the end i hope winners are thous who could bear conquences of their choices and i hope that thous consequences manage teach us something.

umm... it only shows that in this relationship she doesnt have trust to her husband. And if you remember she told that she knows her husband very well.... We all saw what kind person her husband is, what she knows - and she still didnt trust her husband words.
When she was out from home whole week to babysit in house of man who has many scandals with womans / he and she both know that little boy was born outside marriage / he didnt accuse his wife but that man, he got jelous but he never suspected his wife in cheating....
Situations are kinda similar both of them kept contact with person whom they saw in Hong Kong. She uses that man to make herself feel better, he uses that woman to save home. Both of them are interested about what other side can offer- she can play "mom" and he can do job about what he dreamed of....only "why" is differnt. Husbands goals are family centered, wifes goals are self-indulgence centered.
Main point was in that moment when she run away from Hong Kong bc there wasnt anyone to force her to do so but she just throwed childish tantrum bc her huge pride got hurt and keeps doing so til now. She isnt honest. It was her who got scared to be left - so she leaved him first but this isnt enough, she plays victim and wants revenge bc he doesnt roam after her like madman.
She can have pride but husband cant.
Yes, husband honestly admitted that he got charmed by this woman but he cuts this feeling down and sets line bc he loves his wife.
Not only men but also women get charmed sometimes even when they are in relationship. In here, dramaland we all have crushes and we want see them more and more - are we cheaters?
What matters is where you set line and when you say stop - your priorities.
So, trust is main thing what you need in relationship or all thing is meaningless, lenght/deepness of trust shows quality of your relationship and worth of partners.
In short way - her pride got wounded bc husband didnt follow her, it isnt issue of trust only. And like wounded horse she runs now amok, to destroy all what reminds her that this is her who caused this all. Trust? I belive she never had it fully bc she has this inferiority complex of poor and unworthy girl what is source for distrust.

This drama isnt bad stirring up emotions. For now i totally hate Na Hong Joo, who is selfish hypocrite and runs away blaming others. Add here cliche grandma with grandson complex. ......but i know all this was goal of creators. Actors are capable and i hope to see some character development more....and Jungshin is doing ok with his role, without any awkwardness.He celarly has talant for acting.

I only have one fear....that they make Hong Joo and Seok Hoon reconcile in the end of drama bc kdramas love make this kind morale statements.I really-really hope that they dont do this time "karma" ending ....add here that Choi Ji Woo's natural chemistry with male lead is better than Park Ha Sun's.