PS 'Din' ดิน, her name, means 'earth'. You're welcome, now the series' title makes sense.
In The Fire, 'Fai' ไฟ means 'fire'. In The Water, 'Nam' น้ำ means 'water'. In The Air, 'Lom' ลม means 'wind'. (As we've already seen in the BL 'Dangerous Romance', where one of the characters was named 'Sailom' สายลม and the other 'Kanghan' กังหัน (windmill) was trying to be romantic like 'I'm a windmill and you're the wind that keeps me moving' lol)
Bonus facts. In the series 23,5, 'Ongsa' องศา means 'degree', as in degrees of an angle, because she's like the earth that tilts 23,5 degrees towards Sun (her crush), and that's why her secret IG account was named Earth, and why on the poster she's tilted towards Sun.
Thai shows often play with names like that. Okay that was my infodump for the day, carry on.
oh my god I think this might be the first gl where they have a kid (adopted i assume?) that's way too cute. Very…
In Taiwanese GL 'Fragrance of the First Flower' they have a kid, but it's a kid from one of the leads and her ex-husband. Good show, would recommend. Season two as well.
What I gather from your response is that you're invested in explaining away or ignoring the non-cis aspects of Bambam's gender identity, rather than letting them define their own experiences.
List of gorgeous trans actresses that idk to me look like they'd slot right into a GL by GMMTV's standards:https://kisskh.at/people/41623-paper-peerada-namwonghttps://kisskh.at/people/49619-yoshi-rinrada-thurapanhttps://kisskh.at/people/129391-rock-kwanlada-rungrojampahttps://kisskh.at/people/71889-chananchida-roongpetchratI'd…
Yes I'm hopeful about 'Like a Palette' too! One really good scene so far and I hope there's more to come :)
Transgender people have spoken out and they've said they are uncomfortable the way the character's transitioning…
Agreed that the actors aren't to blame. I think it's stupid to target people who don't have control over the plot. I don't know what is happening off of MDL, but I haven't seen anyone target the actors here.
But the plot is still a problem, and that should be addressed.
I think the word 'cancel culture' too often gets used in order to shut legitimate discussion down. What does it even mean to 'cancel' anymore? Like, I'm not allowed to express my opinion that the plot sucks or I'm doing 'cancel culture'? How does that make sense? Weren't you guys supposed to be FOR freedom of expression instead of against it? Or are you only for freedom of expressing things you agree with?
Hi, sorry can i know... where did it pop up? Like...popped up in tecommendstions on...myd rama list ? Is there…
There's no such setting, but I scour the 'newest' and 'upcoming' MDL pages for BL and GL titles (both because sometimes the MDL page doesn't get approved until the show was already released), as well as custom lists people make on here named things like 'Chinese BL masterlist'. I often find things I would've otherwise missed. YouTuber Blush also makes lists of upcoming releases.
if no romance why is it labeled as such. not that I can watch it because there is a horror aspect allegedly.
There are attempts at romance for sure. It's just that the actor who plays Mas is visibly uncomfortable with that, while the character should be into it.
I'd also really like to see more of the Golf Kittipat x Godji ship that was cast as a side couple in '23.5', where they both got to have actual roles besides comedic relief. But in general, you're right, that is what transfeminine characters are typecast as. It's really one-dimensional.
I had hope that GMMTV would break the pattern with 'Diva Deva Mata' and give us a bit more depth and diversity, but nope it was worse! What a shitshow. The punchline of every joke was essentially 'haha look at the contrast between them trying to be perfectly feminine, cute and desirable, and their loud, disgusting, aggressive, promiscuous, masculine reality', which is the usual way transfemme comedic relief characters get used in Thai shows. Really tried, but I couldn't finish it. The MDL audience doesn't appear to have picked up on the inherent transphobia in that show at all, because I guess they're accustomed to it, and I'm positively surprised that 'Her' did finally cross that line for a lot of people.
I'm not against loud comedic transfeminine characters in general. We can reclaim that. 'I'm The Most Beautiful Count' is flipping brilliant. The comedy there relies on the contrast between the main character's loud modern queer pop star persona, and their conservative, utterly confused surroundings. The audience isn't constantly being prompted to laugh at Worradech's expense/ at their gender norm failures. Worradech has a sense of humor and we're laughing with them, not at them. They're shown experiencing the full range of human emotions, growing, changing, and influencing the plot with their decisions. Those are the basic necessities for any well-rounded character, but it's exceedingly rare for trans characters in Thai shows. (Using they/them because based on the show I think the character is nonbinary. The actor uses he/him for the character in English but that doesn't seem right to me.)
i don't think we should judge a series by just 3 minute pilot. The producers said that this was not a transgender…
By then it'll be too late to change anything about it. GMMTV often appears to listen to its viewers. Why would we not try to change things before it's too late? The central premise of the plot, as shown in the pilot, is that transition is primarily a way to deceive those around you, which is a dangerous misconception that gets real life trans women killed (look up murder statistics and the 'trans panic' legal defense). Why would we not try to stop GMMTV from reinforcing that misconception in such a mainstream series?
You know what, I appreciate the honesty. A lot of transphobic people are really two-faced about it and keep denying, minimizing, hiding behind fake progressivism etc, but you're at least willing to be open about what you believe. There is something to be said for that.
To be clear, I do think what you believe is abhorrent, but I'm not interested in attempting to convince you otherwise. Have a nice rest of your day, or night, idk where you are.
in the pilot trailer they stabbed his private part. if he were to try and fixed it at a doctor it would be hard…
No please don't just speculate about what sex reassignment surgeries must be like and then assume you're correct about it. That's exactly the kind of stuff I'm afraid of with this series, just how out of touch it is with reality for trans people. It's wild cis fantasy presented as fact, and cis audiences don't know enough about transition to KNOW that it's wild fantasy instead of fact, and that's a problem. (In general I quite like wild fantasy in dramas, that's not the problem, the problem is confusing it with reality.)
In vaginoplasty they turn the penis inside out to create the inside of the neovagina. Not having a penis to turn inside out is a problem. Though they can also use a part of the colon.
Phalloplasty is a surgery where a penis is created out of a skin graft taken from the thigh or forearm. It was developed for soldiers who lost their dick in war injuries during the world wars, but now trans men can also get it.
You don't just transplant a dick from another person. You want the tissue to come from the patient themselves, so that the body's immune system doesn't attack it. People who get organ transplants have to take immunosuppressants every day for the rest of their life or their body will attack the new organ. You don't do that unless it's absolutely necessary, because immune systems are pretty vital actually.
Vaginoplasty and phalloplasty are both very intense surgeries, so no it would not make medical sense to go for a vaginoplasty rather than a phalloplasty, at all. For a person assigned male at birth it will be infinitely easier to access phalloplasty than vaginoplasty, because in order to qualify for transition-related healthcare like that, you need to go through endless processes with several psychologists who dig deep into the reasons why you want to transition, any possible mental health issues, your childhood, possible traumas, your sexuality, they ask your parents or partner to show up to an appointment, etcetera etcetera.
This character would probably fail that process and be denied. Or they'd have to be really good at lying, in detail, for months-years, to multiple professionals whose whole job description is to discern who's really trans and who isn't and who'll (in my & my friends' experience) happily take any minor doubt or suspicion as an excuse to deny trans people healthcare.
On top of that, before you can even see such a psychologist, you have to wait for years to get just a first intake appointment, because there's not enough professionals for the amount of trans patients there are. If you want both hrt and surgeries, then you have to be on hrt for a specified amount of time (generally >1 year) before you can get a surgery. So that's years of waiting for an intake, about a year of psychologists to get green light to transition (if not denied and delayed), at least a year of hormone therapy, and then you go on the years-long wait list for the sex reassignment surgery itself.
You really want me to believe this character held on to this grudge for a decade in order to transition and get their revenge? Because realistically that's how long it would probably take. And then I'm not even talking about how long it takes for estrogen to work its magic. YEARS. (But testosterone actually works pretty fast). Or voice training, facial feminization surgery, changing legal documents etc. The idea that medical transition is easily accessible and fast is a harmful misconception.
So no it's not 'easier' to become a woman. In reality, their doctor would've probably recommended reconstructive phalloplasty and they could've gotten plastic surgery on their face to try to look like a different person. Both of which they could've accessed pretty much immediately, without any of the medical gatekeeping. 'Oops lost my dick, guess it's time to be a woman' is not a logical thing to happen, to anyone, ever.
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In The Fire, 'Fai' ไฟ means 'fire'.
In The Water, 'Nam' น้ำ means 'water'.
In The Air, 'Lom' ลม means 'wind'. (As we've already seen in the BL 'Dangerous Romance', where one of the characters was named 'Sailom' สายลม and the other 'Kanghan' กังหัน (windmill) was trying to be romantic like 'I'm a windmill and you're the wind that keeps me moving' lol)
Bonus facts. In the series 23,5, 'Ongsa' องศา means 'degree', as in degrees of an angle, because she's like the earth that tilts 23,5 degrees towards Sun (her crush), and that's why her secret IG account was named Earth, and why on the poster she's tilted towards Sun.
Thai shows often play with names like that. Okay that was my infodump for the day, carry on.
This is where they stated something akin to that. Although based on the article their gender is more 'unlabeled' than 'nonbinary'.
Who is this nefarious 'they' who loves labeling gnc women as something they're not? Why would that be happening?
But the plot is still a problem, and that should be addressed.
I think the word 'cancel culture' too often gets used in order to shut legitimate discussion down. What does it even mean to 'cancel' anymore? Like, I'm not allowed to express my opinion that the plot sucks or I'm doing 'cancel culture'? How does that make sense? Weren't you guys supposed to be FOR freedom of expression instead of against it? Or are you only for freedom of expressing things you agree with?
https://kisskh.at/people/41623-paper-peerada-namwong
https://kisskh.at/people/49619-yoshi-rinrada-thurapan
https://kisskh.at/people/129391-rock-kwanlada-rungrojampa
https://kisskh.at/people/71889-chananchida-roongpetchrat
I'd also really like to see more of the Golf Kittipat x Godji ship that was cast as a side couple in '23.5', where they both got to have actual roles besides comedic relief. But in general, you're right, that is what transfeminine characters are typecast as. It's really one-dimensional.
I had hope that GMMTV would break the pattern with 'Diva Deva Mata' and give us a bit more depth and diversity, but nope it was worse! What a shitshow. The punchline of every joke was essentially 'haha look at the contrast between them trying to be perfectly feminine, cute and desirable, and their loud, disgusting, aggressive, promiscuous, masculine reality', which is the usual way transfemme comedic relief characters get used in Thai shows. Really tried, but I couldn't finish it. The MDL audience doesn't appear to have picked up on the inherent transphobia in that show at all, because I guess they're accustomed to it, and I'm positively surprised that 'Her' did finally cross that line for a lot of people.
I'm not against loud comedic transfeminine characters in general. We can reclaim that. 'I'm The Most Beautiful Count' is flipping brilliant. The comedy there relies on the contrast between the main character's loud modern queer pop star persona, and their conservative, utterly confused surroundings. The audience isn't constantly being prompted to laugh at Worradech's expense/ at their gender norm failures. Worradech has a sense of humor and we're laughing with them, not at them. They're shown experiencing the full range of human emotions, growing, changing, and influencing the plot with their decisions. Those are the basic necessities for any well-rounded character, but it's exceedingly rare for trans characters in Thai shows. (Using they/them because based on the show I think the character is nonbinary. The actor uses he/him for the character in English but that doesn't seem right to me.)
To be clear, I do think what you believe is abhorrent, but I'm not interested in attempting to convince you otherwise. Have a nice rest of your day, or night, idk where you are.
In vaginoplasty they turn the penis inside out to create the inside of the neovagina. Not having a penis to turn inside out is a problem. Though they can also use a part of the colon.
Phalloplasty is a surgery where a penis is created out of a skin graft taken from the thigh or forearm. It was developed for soldiers who lost their dick in war injuries during the world wars, but now trans men can also get it.
You don't just transplant a dick from another person. You want the tissue to come from the patient themselves, so that the body's immune system doesn't attack it. People who get organ transplants have to take immunosuppressants every day for the rest of their life or their body will attack the new organ. You don't do that unless it's absolutely necessary, because immune systems are pretty vital actually.
Vaginoplasty and phalloplasty are both very intense surgeries, so no it would not make medical sense to go for a vaginoplasty rather than a phalloplasty, at all. For a person assigned male at birth it will be infinitely easier to access phalloplasty than vaginoplasty, because in order to qualify for transition-related healthcare like that, you need to go through endless processes with several psychologists who dig deep into the reasons why you want to transition, any possible mental health issues, your childhood, possible traumas, your sexuality, they ask your parents or partner to show up to an appointment, etcetera etcetera.
This character would probably fail that process and be denied. Or they'd have to be really good at lying, in detail, for months-years, to multiple professionals whose whole job description is to discern who's really trans and who isn't and who'll (in my & my friends' experience) happily take any minor doubt or suspicion as an excuse to deny trans people healthcare.
On top of that, before you can even see such a psychologist, you have to wait for years to get just a first intake appointment, because there's not enough professionals for the amount of trans patients there are. If you want both hrt and surgeries, then you have to be on hrt for a specified amount of time (generally >1 year) before you can get a surgery. So that's years of waiting for an intake, about a year of psychologists to get green light to transition (if not denied and delayed), at least a year of hormone therapy, and then you go on the years-long wait list for the sex reassignment surgery itself.
You really want me to believe this character held on to this grudge for a decade in order to transition and get their revenge? Because realistically that's how long it would probably take. And then I'm not even talking about how long it takes for estrogen to work its magic. YEARS. (But testosterone actually works pretty fast). Or voice training, facial feminization surgery, changing legal documents etc. The idea that medical transition is easily accessible and fast is a harmful misconception.
So no it's not 'easier' to become a woman. In reality, their doctor would've probably recommended reconstructive phalloplasty and they could've gotten plastic surgery on their face to try to look like a different person. Both of which they could've accessed pretty much immediately, without any of the medical gatekeeping. 'Oops lost my dick, guess it's time to be a woman' is not a logical thing to happen, to anyone, ever.