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Replying to ChunTian Jun 27, 2025
You are not alone on that thought. I too think that both Jing and XL are special to XY. She loved them both but…
Thanks Chun Tian for giving reply behalf of me. I'm grateful.

I don't understand people love to one person how can wrong another person this level.!
I agree with you every one has their own view and opinion . I think some peoples trauma, tragedy match to LYF and they match them with this character as usual. And they give opinion.

It was also the reason some people don't share there opinion for getting wrong accusations.

Thanks again Chun Tian for understanding.đŸŒ·
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Replying to ChunTian Jun 27, 2025
You are not alone on that thought. I too think that both Jing and XL are special to XY. She loved them both but…
Of course this is the thing Cang Xuan fan can't accept , he is not best choice for someone like Xiaoyao. Yesterday kokutuo also misunderstood that. huh lol.

He was always a person with high ambition. Jing is the best choice for Xiaoyao the drama shown . It wasnt an satisfying season who are Jing lovers he lost many things but at least Xiaoyao and Jing trauma finally ended they will be happy forever.
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Replying to Sana Jeinab Jun 27, 2025
Xiaoyao absolutely loved both Jing and Xiang Liu, but in very different ways. Xiang Liu was the one she couldn’t…
You're welcome. Thanks for your explanation. I m also happy to discuss about them.

Yes they don't try to understand they are not lover. Yes he did things for her but she also did he get also get benefit. But it was sad he gone forever everyone should be sad.

I agree he was loyal to his foster father he didn't choose her. The immature thing I also agree a bit with you but I think it was the way and it was his fate and his choices.
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Replying to Sana Jeinab Jun 27, 2025
Xiaoyao absolutely loved both Jing and Xiang Liu, but in very different ways. Xiang Liu was the one she couldn’t…
Of course Xiaoyao loved Jing I always feeled it and about Xiang Liu I didn't feeled that he's like a friend or loved one but not lover. I was deeply into YaoJing when I Watched the drama. I m not saying his lover loving another man they're always claiming so I m in it.
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Replying to ChunTian Jun 27, 2025
You are not alone on that thought. I too think that both Jing and XL are special to XY. She loved them both but…
See like everytime now also you're colouring me with wrong accusations .!
You're providing you logic me mine is it personal attacks! Where did I attacked personally you and sunshine75 others. ??
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Replying to Sana Jeinab Jun 27, 2025
Xiaoyao absolutely loved both Jing and Xiang Liu, but in very different ways. Xiang Liu was the one she couldn’t…
@bla bla @Kokuto
Chapter 43 was dramatic, sure but not confuse intensity with love. Grabbing hair, impulsive acts, and dolphin analogies don’t equal emotional depth. Jing’s chapter 20 moment wasn’t just “a knee kiss” it was a moment of emotional surrender, quiet vulnerability, and consent. That’s what real intimacy looks like. So of course Jing fans will say about this like you Xiang Liu fan are saying about chap 43.

Also, the Xiaoyao wrapping her legs around Xiang Liu part? That reads more like fanservice than a lasting emotional bond. Because at the end of the day, Xiaoyao choose Jing not in secret, not in desperation, but in front of everyone, clear headed and sincere. if anything, the fact she tested him so much shows how much she cared about getting it right. That’s the kind of love that lasts.
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Replying to Sana Jeinab Jun 27, 2025
Xiaoyao absolutely loved both Jing and Xiang Liu, but in very different ways. Xiang Liu was the one she couldn’t…
The bug is a stand-in for involuntary emotional connection. While Xiang Liu had the literal connection, some fans believe Jing had a longerlasting emotional imprint that was not ""caused by magic, but by consistency, loyalty, and love.""


So in short
No, canonically the Lovers Bug was tied to Xiang Liu and Xiaoyao even at first Cang Xuan and Xiaoyao. But in fan theory, it’s been expanded to Jing as a metaphor for how emotionally bound Xiaoyao was to him despite all the chaos and tests, she still chose him.

I'm not turning blind eye I m saying what is true after all it not my story or theory. Don't you think the lover bug situation was messy first of all it was with Cang Xuan than Xiang Liu but Xiaoyao wasn't aware of this.
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Replying to ChunTian Jun 27, 2025
You are not alone on that thought. I too think that both Jing and XL are special to XY. She loved them both but…
@blabla100 I get your perspective, but it feels like you're selectively interpreting scenes to downplay Jing’s role and feelings. The Lovers Bug theory is actually consistent with how deeply Xiaoyao was tied to Jing emotionally, mentally, and even spiritually. Jing was the constant presence, the one who stayed even when Xiaoyao tested him over and over again, as you yourself noted.

If Xiaoyao truly didn’t care for Jing, why would she go to such lengths to test his sincerity? And that knee kiss scene in chap 20 wasn’t just about physical intimacy ,it was a powerful symbol of surrender and vulnerability, especially for someone as emotionally guarded as Jing. You're downplaying its weight just because it doesn't fit your acception.

Chap 43 might have shown desperation with Xiang Liu , but let's not confuse high-stakes emotion with love. Xiaoyao choose Jing in the end not in secret, but in front of everyone. That’s canon, and it speaks volumes.


Yes you're right But Xiang Liu didn't pursued her and the whole story changed here. But you're wrong Xiaoyao didn't ended up with because Xiang Liu didn't choose her.
Not ignore the consistent loyalty and emotional growth Jing displayed throughout the novel his character arc was about patience, growth, and unwavering love. If anything, it's unfair to him how some black fans diminish that.
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Replying to Sana Jeinab Jun 27, 2025
Xiaoyao absolutely loved both Jing and Xiang Liu, but in very different ways. Xiang Liu was the one she couldn’t…
Xiaoyao marrying the moon wasn’t about Xiang Liu,it was grief. The moon is a metaphor, not closure. If she had truly moved on, she wouldn’t have cried when Jing left or chased after him. That pain was real, not erased. But you're not counting it.


I thinkh you should rewatch it you're coming to question about my eyesight and hearing . Xiang Liu pushed her to Jing in not a direct way but sometimes he stepped back bcz he knew his ending and he can't give a peaceful life to her. About the spell it wasnt a long time just a few seconds if she couldn't say it , it doesn't mean she isn't wanting to spend her life with Jing.

You first claim The moon was Xiang Liu but now you're saying she is faking all the grief.

Saying she didn’t choose Jing ignores her actions. She went back to him after everything, proposed again, waited for him, and stopped his wedding. When she said, “Even if I forget everything, I’ll still remember you in my heart,” that was love. Quiet, but clear.

She may not have said I love you to Jing directly, but her actions showed it. She risked herself for him, forgave him, stayed beside him. Love isn’t always loud or poetic sometimes, it’s in the silence and persistence.

Calling Jing’s love sordid misses the point. He was cautious because of trauma. He never forced her, always respected her, and was the one who made her feel safe and whole after everything she’d been through.

Mentioning Xiang Liu isn’t unfair. He was important. But Jing was the one she could live with not the one she had to die for. That kind of love matters too.

Jing’s love was steady, deep, and healing. And Xiaoyao returned it, in her own way.

So now it's my story and I'm making it I think you didn't watched YaoJing scenes so you can't understand. Winny already explained about lover bug you should read it. If things were not happened how I'm saying that. You make so many theories logic to prove your point but I can't. You'r things are right mine is removing goal post making story'sđŸ„±.

Isn't it c tradition to vow, she's vowing to the moon and you're saying it was Xiang Liu why so secretive marriage! You should watch in the last she married Jing and everyone was witness. Yes you can't accept so many facts .
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Replying to ChunTian Jun 26, 2025
You are not alone on that thought. I too think that both Jing and XL are special to XY. She loved them both but…
I seen the thread but somehow it wasn't logical. I think sunshine can't move on from their childhood special moments

Cang Xuan and Xiaoyao shared a deep bond from childhood, built on shared pain, loyalty, and trust. At one point, he seemed like a strong romantic candidate someone who deeply understood and cared for her. But at his core, Cang Xuan was driven by ambition. His primary goal was always to reclaim his throne and fulfill his duty to his kingdom. Though he loved Xiaoyao, she was never his top priority, and he consistently choose power over personal happiness.

Jing, in contrast, made Xiaoyao the center of his world. His love was shown through constant, quiet actions. He risked his life to escape captivity and find her again. He stayed by her side under the name Ye Shiqi, protecting her even while hiding his true identity. When she became angry and gave up on, he didn’t give up on her he followed her, silently supporting her the entire time. He endured pressure from his powerful family and sacrificed his own position just to keep the promises he made to her. Jing never asked for anything in return he simply loved her.


So Cang Xuan isn't the best choice

While Cang Xuan had the qualities of a potential partner, he never truly choose Xiaoyao. Jing, through unwavering devotion and sacrifice, proved that he was the one who loved her most. That’s why, in the end, Jing was best not Cang Xuan was truly the best choice for her.
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Replying to Sana Jeinab Jun 26, 2025
Xiaoyao absolutely loved both Jing and Xiang Liu, but in very different ways. Xiang Liu was the one she couldn’t…
Lost You Forever being more of an anti-romance and subversion of typical HE tropes. But reducing Jing’s relationship with Xiaoyao to “superficial romance” misses the deep emotional foundation and complexity that Tong Hua intentionally built between them both in the novel and (to a lesser degree) the drama.

43-Year Delay = Love or Fear?
The delay in the wedding wasn’t because Xiaoyao didn’t love Jing it was because she loved him so much that she was terrified of getting hurt again. She knew that loving Jing meant vulnerability. Remember she’d already lost him once to betrayal, lies, and power struggles. This wasn’t indifference it was trauma. The stronger the love, the harder it was for her to face the possibility of more pain.

She got drunk before the wedding not because she didn’t love him, but because she was overwhelmed. You don't drink yourself unconscious for someone you don't care about. You do it when you're terrified of losing something precious again.

People underestimate how much Jing actively loved and protected her. He chose her every time. He never wavered. His quiet strength is often mistaken for weakness, but his loyalty was unmatched. Even when Xiaoyao gave up on him, he kept trying to return to her.

In both the book and drama, she confesses that he was in her heart and the only one she ever truly wanted to live a peaceful life with.

The Ending Proves His Value
In the novel’s final moments, when everyone else is gone, Jing is still standing by her side. That’s not a consolation prize—that’s the kind of love that endures. No fireworks. No drama. Just presence. And that’s more romantic than anything fleeting or intense.

Tong Hua didn’t write a fluffy romance, no. But that doesn’t mean Jing and Xiaoyao’s love wasn’t real. It just wasn’t easy. It was messy, complicated, flawed and that’s what made it real. The tragedy isn't that Jing loved someone who loved another man. It’s that Xiaoyao, for all her power, never really got to feel safe enough to fully embrace her own heart until the very end.

Tong Hua didn’t erase that pain she highlighted it. That’s why she downplayed the proposal scene in the drama and gave emotional moments like star gazing or the portrait to others. She was showing that love isn’t always about grand romantic gestures. Jing and Xiaoyao's love was built on sacrifice, waiting, and endurance not fireworks.

So while the drama pushed a neat CP, the real story Tong Hua told was layered, bittersweet, and intentional. And that 43-year delay? It says more about how much Jing mattered to Xiaoyao than any dramatic scene ever could.

And by then, only Jing was still there just like he was.
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Replying to Sana Jeinab Jun 26, 2025
Xiaoyao absolutely loved both Jing and Xiang Liu, but in very different ways. Xiang Liu was the one she couldn’t…
I laughed so hard they come with so many irrational reason ,like seriously 😒 wedding night. testing him BLA BLA . They always say they are saying from drama and novel but they are not accepting all thing Of YaoJing.
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Replying to Sana Jeinab Jun 26, 2025
Xiaoyao absolutely loved both Jing and Xiang Liu, but in very different ways. Xiang Liu was the one she couldn’t…
Xiaoyao did love Jing deeply, and she admitted it more than once. In Episode 33, she told him

“Even if I forget everything, I still remember you in my heart.”
This is proof Jing was in her heart, no matter what others say.


The claim that she didn’t record Jing in the memory mirror is false. In Episode 28, she explains she didn’t want to record anyone because memories fade, but feelings stay especially for Jing. That silence was more powerful than a mirror.

Their romance? It was real and emotional.

Their lake scene, quiet talks, forehead touches, her giving him the fish stone all of it showed her love. There are so many romance scenes of YaoJing and you're in air kissesđŸ€­. Her desire

When she believed he died, she broke down completely by no such reaction for Xiang Liu.


About Xiang Liu pushing her to Jing
Yes, Xiang Liu literally did it after the wedding robberyhe told her to return to Jing because he realized she still loved him. That was his choice, not hers, and it proves she never fully choose Xiang Liu

And no, her marriage to Jing had nothing to do with XiangLiu. She chose it herself, for love and peace, far away from power and pain.

About the doll calling it Xiang Liu living with her is absurd. So you're denying he's tragic death his sacrifice!! If she lived in the end with Xiang Liu than why did she stay and gone to world tour with Jing. The official ending says and on the novelshe end up with Jing. Your saying are like some fans misinterpretation to the story.


Tong Hua never said Xiaoyao married the moon or Xiang Liu is the moon. What a nonsense . That’s just fan theory not canon. What is canon? Xiaoyao and Jing’s quiet, loyal, real love. She chose him in the end. Youre relating all things to Xiang Liu even the wedding , ending. How funny. Every person get their ending but some Xiang Liu fans are potrayaing in their own even the can't accept the fact the truth which they saw by their own eye.
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Replying to Sana Jeinab Jun 26, 2025
Xiaoyao absolutely loved both Jing and Xiang Liu, but in very different ways. Xiang Liu was the one she couldn’t…
I really agree what you said, Winny! You explained things so well, especially about Jing and Xiaoyao's feelings for each other.

It makes a lot of sense that their love is real and deep. About special pouch twice, it really felt like she was showing her love, like in a romantic story. It's more than just liking someone it's true love.

And you're totally right about the 'bug' being just for lovers. It's a special thing for people who are truly connected, sharing their deepest feelings. It wouldn't make sense for someone else to have it if they weren't in love, because it's so personal. Your explanation of the 'bug' being exclusively for lovers is irrefutable. The very essence of sharing another's emotions, particularly in such an intimate context as what is being done in between their private time , by a 'third man' (or non lover), would be fundamentally violate the sanctity of a romantic relationship. The narrative clearly establishes the emotional and spiritual bond. Therefore, its presence with Cang Xuan and Xiang Liu, and absence with Jing, perfectly delineates who is romantically involved and who is not. This isn't just about protection it's about the sacredness of shared experience between committed partners. They have no headach3 about Xiaoyao not knowing about this at first. But all they YaoJings love was natural.

Furthermore, your point about XiangLiu's ultimate rejection of the bond and Jing's complete healing upon reuniting with Jing solidifies the distinction. If Jing's relationship with Xiang Liu was truly a foundational love, her recovery wouldn't be so absolute after reuniting with Jing. The tragedy with Xiamg Liu isn't about lost love, but about an unaccepted bond, highlighting the difference in depth and commitment compared to Jing and Xiaoyao's evolving connection.


You also made a good point that Jing and Xiaoyao's story ends happily because they truly commit to each other. It shows their love won in the end, which is a lovely way to finish the story.

Your thoughts will really helps other to see the story more clearly and understand its heart!
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Replying to Sana Jeinab Jun 26, 2025
There are so many people who are in team Tushan Jing. He brings such emotional depth to the role. How can anyone…
Thanks for suggesting I will read.
They could make a better season of 2 but they cut YAOJING scenes and didnt Favoured Jing it's clear. Yes of course so many people are saying they actually favoured Tan Jianci in the drama even Cang Xuan the main lead didn't get so many favour. It so sad they actually worked hard but they didn't equallyfavour them mainly Jing.
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Replying to Sana Jeinab Jun 26, 2025
Honestly, Tushan Jing (Deng Wei) deserve the love. He’s the quiet strength, TushĂ n Jing is gentle calm kind…
You have been repeated claims that Tushan Jing was a stalker, manipulative, or controlling. I address these clearly using facts from both the Lost You Forever drama and novel without bias, just facts.

Jing stalked Xiaoyao without her consent.?
This is misleading. Jing only started following Xiaoyao after she had already been kidnapped, attacked, or in danger. He used his fox magic to track her for protection, not to control her. This is the same thing Cang Xuan and Xiang Liu did when they kept tabs on her for her safety. So if we call Jing a stalker, then the same applies to themm



Example from the drama: In Episode 13, after the Nine-Headed Serpent Clan targeted her, Jing started tracking her quietly to ensure she was safe. That’s not obsession, it’s concern.

Feng Long’s proposal was political. Jing’s return didn’t ruin Feng Long’s own family backed out due to Xiaoyao’s status. Jing simply admitted he still loved her. Xiaoyao and Feng Long made their own decisions. Jing did not interfere or pressure her.

Imto the Dragonbone Prison promise. Xiaoyao offered the promise herself. She was scared for Jing’s life and made the vow to keep him alive. This was her choice, not manipulation. In the novel, she says: “If you die, what’s the point of my freedom?” That came from her, not from Jing forcing her hand.


Jing didn’t reveal his identity at first, but neither did Xiaoyao. She hid as Wen Xiaoliu, and he as Ye Shiqi. Both were in hiding and both concealed their pasts for safety. Jing later tried to tell her the truth but hesitated because he feared endangering her. So you're unfair to him.

Jing’s magic was used rarely and only when he believed she was in danger. He didn’t use it to monitor her personal life or manipulate her decisions. He only watched to make sure she was safe, and he didn’t act unless something truly risky was happening.



Example: During the Chenron event, he observed from a distance because there were people scheming around her. He didn’t interfere unless it was necessary.

Jing read one letter when he believed there might be a threat. He didn’t do it for control or jealousy. Xiaoyao had enemies, and the context was that her life was always in danger. Even Cang Xuan and Xiang Liu intercepted information or kept watch over her. If Jing was wrong, they were too.


Jing’s jealousy was quiet and never turned into action. He let Xiaoyao go when he thought she was happy with someone else. In season 1 last side episode, he says “If one day you want to come back to me, I’ll be here.” That’s patience and love, not possession.

Jing’s marriage was forced on him through blackmail and pressure. He did his duty but remained emotionally faithful to Xiaoyao. He never tried to deceive or misuse that love.

Jing fans acknowledge his flaws he hesitates too much, struggles to stand up to pressure, and is sometimes too passive. But he is kind, loyal, respectful, and never forces his love on Xiaoyao. He lets her choose every time.

Why bring up Cang Xuan or Xiang Liu?
Because you can’t judge Jing in isolation while excusing others. Cang Xuan imprisoned her. Xiang Liu was emotionally distant and let her suffer. Yet people romanticize their flaws while demanding perfection from Jing. Comparing is not deflecting it’s necessary for fairness.

Jing never controlled Xiaoyao. He never dictated her path. He protected her, supported her, stepped back when she needed space, and waited quietly. He respected her choices even when it hurt him. That’s not obsession. That’s restrained, enduring love.

I don't want anyone opinion to whom I will like. I can difference between bad or good . The character Xiang Liu was toxic for me it doesn't mean it will disappear from the story or I can or I have to bad mouth like others , Xiang Liu did his best what he can do and also Jing did what he can do. You're always insisting to re read to give directly answer bro read clear fully you will get the answers don't misunderstoand the facts and the story and the truth.

Don't insist on something which is nonsense. In every drama there are so many misunderstanding but later slowly they solve it if you sit down with Jings fake marriage and calling his nephew his child and many other things than what can I say to you I have already said several times clearly but you can't accept this 😆. Actually Jing Xiang Liu Cang Xuan fan accepted everything. But there are some black fan who can't accept these things. I think they have lack of common sense .
I suggest them to watch more dramas and became mature.

one say.........In love and war everything is fair .
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Replying to Sana Jeinab Jun 26, 2025
Honestly, Tushan Jing (Deng Wei) deserve the love. He’s the quiet strength, TushĂ n Jing is gentle calm kind…
Absolutely agree with every word, Winny. 👏

You explained it so well people rewriting Jing’s character just to fit their fave's narrative is exactly what’s been happening. Jing was never manipulative or unreliable. He made quiet but consistent efforts from beginning to end. Just because he wasn’t loud or ruthless like others doesn’t mean he lacked depth or conviction. His strength was in his unwavering loyalty and emotional intelligence.

Also, you're spot on about the lover bug! If Xiang Liu gets praised for taking the bug while hiding the truth from Xiaoyao, how is that not manipulative? But when Jing protects her in his own way, suddenly it’s a crime? The double standard is obvious.

People blaming Jing for things like the 15-year gap are ignoring key details he wasn’t the one who separated them, and yet he’s the one who kept searching and loving her. And you're right many Shiqi fans stayed loyal, and those who jumped probably never truly connected with Jing’s kind of quiet love in the first place.

Thank you for putting this into words so clearly. The gaslighting of Jing’s character says more about their bitter disappointments than the actual story.

Team Ye Shiqi/ Tushan Jing always. 💙
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Replying to Sana Jeinab Jun 26, 2025
Xiaoyao only truly loved Tushan Jing.She had a complicated bond with Xiang Liu (mutual unspoken feelings), cared…
It was the best joke mmature mama/papa đŸ€­.
Wish everyone get a peaceful review and give a better review.
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