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One of the best drama it was really amazing, funny. I really enjoyed it they are so perfect together .

Watched first episode an I m impressed it's so dreamy type and quiet funny she know him as gu ran but he Zhan Lurang🤭.

I seen the thread but somehow it wasn't logical. I think sunshine can't move on from their childhood special moments

Cang Xuan and Xiaoyao shared a deep bond from childhood, built on shared pain, loyalty, and trust. At one point, he seemed like a strong romantic candidate someone who deeply understood and cared for her. But at his core, Cang Xuan was driven by ambition. His primary goal was always to reclaim his throne and fulfill his duty to his kingdom. Though he loved Xiaoyao, she was never his top priority, and he consistently choose power over personal happiness.

Jing, in contrast, made Xiaoyao the center of his world. His love was shown through constant, quiet actions. He risked his life to escape captivity and find her again. He stayed by her side under the name Ye Shiqi, protecting her even while hiding his true identity. When she became angry and gave up on, he didn’t give up on her he followed her, silently supporting her the entire time. He endured pressure from his powerful family and sacrificed his own position just to keep the promises he made to her. Jing never asked for anything in return he simply loved her.


So Cang Xuan isn't the best choice

While Cang Xuan had the qualities of a potential partner, he never truly choose Xiaoyao. Jing, through unwavering devotion and sacrifice, proved that he was the one who loved her most. That’s why, in the end, Jing was best not Cang Xuan was truly the best choice for her.

Lost You Forever being more of an anti-romance and subversion of typical HE tropes. But reducing Jing’s relationship with Xiaoyao to “superficial romance” misses the deep emotional foundation and complexity that Tong Hua intentionally built between them both in the novel and (to a lesser degree) the drama.

43-Year Delay = Love or Fear?
The delay in the wedding wasn’t because Xiaoyao didn’t love Jing it was because she loved him so much that she was terrified of getting hurt again. She knew that loving Jing meant vulnerability. Remember she’d already lost him once to betrayal, lies, and power struggles. This wasn’t indifference it was trauma. The stronger the love, the harder it was for her to face the possibility of more pain.

She got drunk before the wedding not because she didn’t love him, but because she was overwhelmed. You don't drink yourself unconscious for someone you don't care about. You do it when you're terrified of losing something precious again.

People underestimate how much Jing actively loved and protected her. He chose her every time. He never wavered. His quiet strength is often mistaken for weakness, but his loyalty was unmatched. Even when Xiaoyao gave up on him, he kept trying to return to her.

In both the book and drama, she confesses that he was in her heart and the only one she ever truly wanted to live a peaceful life with.

The Ending Proves His Value
In the novel’s final moments, when everyone else is gone, Jing is still standing by her side. That’s not a consolation prize—that’s the kind of love that endures. No fireworks. No drama. Just presence. And that’s more romantic than anything fleeting or intense.

Tong Hua didn’t write a fluffy romance, no. But that doesn’t mean Jing and Xiaoyao’s love wasn’t real. It just wasn’t easy. It was messy, complicated, flawed and that’s what made it real. The tragedy isn't that Jing loved someone who loved another man. It’s that Xiaoyao, for all her power, never really got to feel safe enough to fully embrace her own heart until the very end.

Tong Hua didn’t erase that pain she highlighted it. That’s why she downplayed the proposal scene in the drama and gave emotional moments like star gazing or the portrait to others. She was showing that love isn’t always about grand romantic gestures. Jing and Xiaoyao's love was built on sacrifice, waiting, and endurance not fireworks.

So while the drama pushed a neat CP, the real story Tong Hua told was layered, bittersweet, and intentional. And that 43-year delay? It says more about how much Jing mattered to Xiaoyao than any dramatic scene ever could.

And by then, only Jing was still there just like he was.

I laughed so hard they come with so many irrational reason ,like seriously 😒 wedding night. testing him BLA BLA . They always say they are saying from drama and novel but they are not accepting all thing Of YaoJing.

Xiaoyao did love Jing deeply, and she admitted it more than once. In Episode 33, she told him

“Even if I forget everything, I still remember you in my heart.”
This is proof Jing was in her heart, no matter what others say.


The claim that she didn’t record Jing in the memory mirror is false. In Episode 28, she explains she didn’t want to record anyone because memories fade, but feelings stay especially for Jing. That silence was more powerful than a mirror.

Their romance? It was real and emotional.

Their lake scene, quiet talks, forehead touches, her giving him the fish stone all of it showed her love. There are so many romance scenes of YaoJing and you're in air kisses🤭. Her desire

When she believed he died, she broke down completely by no such reaction for Xiang Liu.


About Xiang Liu pushing her to Jing
Yes, Xiang Liu literally did it after the wedding robberyhe told her to return to Jing because he realized she still loved him. That was his choice, not hers, and it proves she never fully choose Xiang Liu

And no, her marriage to Jing had nothing to do with XiangLiu. She chose it herself, for love and peace, far away from power and pain.

About the doll calling it Xiang Liu living with her is absurd. So you're denying he's tragic death his sacrifice!! If she lived in the end with Xiang Liu than why did she stay and gone to world tour with Jing. The official ending says and on the novelshe end up with Jing. Your saying are like some fans misinterpretation to the story.


Tong Hua never said Xiaoyao married the moon or Xiang Liu is the moon. What a nonsense . That’s just fan theory not canon. What is canon? Xiaoyao and Jing’s quiet, loyal, real love. She chose him in the end. Youre relating all things to Xiang Liu even the wedding , ending. How funny. Every person get their ending but some Xiang Liu fans are potrayaing in their own even the can't accept the fact the truth which they saw by their own eye.

I really agree what you said, Winny! You explained things so well, especially about Jing and Xiaoyao's feelings for each other.

It makes a lot of sense that their love is real and deep. About special pouch twice, it really felt like she was showing her love, like in a romantic story. It's more than just liking someone it's true love.

And you're totally right about the 'bug' being just for lovers. It's a special thing for people who are truly connected, sharing their deepest feelings. It wouldn't make sense for someone else to have it if they weren't in love, because it's so personal. Your explanation of the 'bug' being exclusively for lovers is irrefutable. The very essence of sharing another's emotions, particularly in such an intimate context as what is being done in between their private time , by a 'third man' (or non lover), would be fundamentally violate the sanctity of a romantic relationship. The narrative clearly establishes the emotional and spiritual bond. Therefore, its presence with Cang Xuan and Xiang Liu, and absence with Jing, perfectly delineates who is romantically involved and who is not. This isn't just about protection it's about the sacredness of shared experience between committed partners. They have no headach3 about Xiaoyao not knowing about this at first. But all they YaoJings love was natural.

Furthermore, your point about XiangLiu's ultimate rejection of the bond and Jing's complete healing upon reuniting with Jing solidifies the distinction. If Jing's relationship with Xiang Liu was truly a foundational love, her recovery wouldn't be so absolute after reuniting with Jing. The tragedy with Xiamg Liu isn't about lost love, but about an unaccepted bond, highlighting the difference in depth and commitment compared to Jing and Xiaoyao's evolving connection.


You also made a good point that Jing and Xiaoyao's story ends happily because they truly commit to each other. It shows their love won in the end, which is a lovely way to finish the story.

Your thoughts will really helps other to see the story more clearly and understand its heart!

Thanks for suggesting I will read.
They could make a better season of 2 but they cut YAOJING scenes and didnt Favoured Jing it's clear. Yes of course so many people are saying they actually favoured Tan Jianci in the drama even Cang Xuan the main lead didn't get so many favour. It so sad they actually worked hard but they didn't equallyfavour them mainly Jing.

You have been repeated claims that Tushan Jing was a stalker, manipulative, or controlling. I address these clearly using facts from both the Lost You Forever drama and novel without bias, just facts.

Jing stalked Xiaoyao without her consent.?
This is misleading. Jing only started following Xiaoyao after she had already been kidnapped, attacked, or in danger. He used his fox magic to track her for protection, not to control her. This is the same thing Cang Xuan and Xiang Liu did when they kept tabs on her for her safety. So if we call Jing a stalker, then the same applies to themm



Example from the drama: In Episode 13, after the Nine-Headed Serpent Clan targeted her, Jing started tracking her quietly to ensure she was safe. That’s not obsession, it’s concern.

Feng Long’s proposal was political. Jing’s return didn’t ruin Feng Long’s own family backed out due to Xiaoyao’s status. Jing simply admitted he still loved her. Xiaoyao and Feng Long made their own decisions. Jing did not interfere or pressure her.

Imto the Dragonbone Prison promise. Xiaoyao offered the promise herself. She was scared for Jing’s life and made the vow to keep him alive. This was her choice, not manipulation. In the novel, she says: “If you die, what’s the point of my freedom?” That came from her, not from Jing forcing her hand.


Jing didn’t reveal his identity at first, but neither did Xiaoyao. She hid as Wen Xiaoliu, and he as Ye Shiqi. Both were in hiding and both concealed their pasts for safety. Jing later tried to tell her the truth but hesitated because he feared endangering her. So you're unfair to him.

Jing’s magic was used rarely and only when he believed she was in danger. He didn’t use it to monitor her personal life or manipulate her decisions. He only watched to make sure she was safe, and he didn’t act unless something truly risky was happening.



Example: During the Chenron event, he observed from a distance because there were people scheming around her. He didn’t interfere unless it was necessary.

Jing read one letter when he believed there might be a threat. He didn’t do it for control or jealousy. Xiaoyao had enemies, and the context was that her life was always in danger. Even Cang Xuan and Xiang Liu intercepted information or kept watch over her. If Jing was wrong, they were too.


Jing’s jealousy was quiet and never turned into action. He let Xiaoyao go when he thought she was happy with someone else. In season 1 last side episode, he says “If one day you want to come back to me, I’ll be here.” That’s patience and love, not possession.

Jing’s marriage was forced on him through blackmail and pressure. He did his duty but remained emotionally faithful to Xiaoyao. He never tried to deceive or misuse that love.

Jing fans acknowledge his flaws he hesitates too much, struggles to stand up to pressure, and is sometimes too passive. But he is kind, loyal, respectful, and never forces his love on Xiaoyao. He lets her choose every time.

Why bring up Cang Xuan or Xiang Liu?
Because you can’t judge Jing in isolation while excusing others. Cang Xuan imprisoned her. Xiang Liu was emotionally distant and let her suffer. Yet people romanticize their flaws while demanding perfection from Jing. Comparing is not deflecting it’s necessary for fairness.

Jing never controlled Xiaoyao. He never dictated her path. He protected her, supported her, stepped back when she needed space, and waited quietly. He respected her choices even when it hurt him. That’s not obsession. That’s restrained, enduring love.

I don't want anyone opinion to whom I will like. I can difference between bad or good . The character Xiang Liu was toxic for me it doesn't mean it will disappear from the story or I can or I have to bad mouth like others , Xiang Liu did his best what he can do and also Jing did what he can do. You're always insisting to re read to give directly answer bro read clear fully you will get the answers don't misunderstoand the facts and the story and the truth.

Don't insist on something which is nonsense. In every drama there are so many misunderstanding but later slowly they solve it if you sit down with Jings fake marriage and calling his nephew his child and many other things than what can I say to you I have already said several times clearly but you can't accept this 😆. Actually Jing Xiang Liu Cang Xuan fan accepted everything. But there are some black fan who can't accept these things. I think they have lack of common sense .
I suggest them to watch more dramas and became mature.

one say.........In love and war everything is fair .

Absolutely agree with every word, Winny. 👏

You explained it so well people rewriting Jing’s character just to fit their fave's narrative is exactly what’s been happening. Jing was never manipulative or unreliable. He made quiet but consistent efforts from beginning to end. Just because he wasn’t loud or ruthless like others doesn’t mean he lacked depth or conviction. His strength was in his unwavering loyalty and emotional intelligence.

Also, you're spot on about the lover bug! If Xiang Liu gets praised for taking the bug while hiding the truth from Xiaoyao, how is that not manipulative? But when Jing protects her in his own way, suddenly it’s a crime? The double standard is obvious.

People blaming Jing for things like the 15-year gap are ignoring key details he wasn’t the one who separated them, and yet he’s the one who kept searching and loving her. And you're right many Shiqi fans stayed loyal, and those who jumped probably never truly connected with Jing’s kind of quiet love in the first place.

Thank you for putting this into words so clearly. The gaslighting of Jing’s character says more about their bitter disappointments than the actual story.

Team Ye Shiqi/ Tushan Jing always. 💙

It was the best joke mmature mama/papa 🤭.
Wish everyone get a peaceful review and give a better review.

Tushan Jing Xiaoyao ❤️

Xiaoyao absolutely loved both Jing and Xiang Liu, but in very different ways. Xiang Liu was the one she couldn’t help but love intense, fated tragic. But Jing was the one she choose, trusted and built a life with. That says everything. And people focus on how she never recorded Jing in her memory mirror in thedrama she explains that she doesn't need to Jing is always with her. He was her present, there is no need to hol onto a memory, she told him you're always in my heart. It's says than any recorded image. That's a deeper everyday presence.

People often romanticize Xiaoyao’s gestures toward Xiang Liu the crystal ball, the memory mirror lover bug ,,,,,but they forget what she did for Jing. She risked her life for him, gave him her blood, helped him rebuild his clan, and stayed with him even after he lost everything. That’s not surface level affection. That’s commitment. And people can't difference between them.

It’s true that she didn’t love Jing at first, but her love for him grew through shared pain and healing. And while Xiang Liu kept walking away, Jing always stayed and will stay forever. Even when she pushed him away, he waited. Even when she was cold, he protected her. In the end, she married him not out of convenience, but because she knew he would never leave her. And the episode do you remember where she believe Jing is dead and she marry him alone and became Tushan Jings wife the heart breaking episode it proves she finally knew who she loved , it symbolize who she loved. This is her way of saying You're the one I choose if you're gone, I still choose you.

Xiaoyao mourned Xiang Liu, but she always lived with Jing. Yes sometime it hard to forget loved one but you have to let it go with the time . Time heals everything, time change everything. And sometimes, the love you choose every day is more powerful than the love you lost.

My pleasure😊.
I also agree the drama wasn't that SE . They always insist on something which they shouldn't it ended years ago but they have to bad mouth about others after ending. When the new fans are watching they willnt watch the drama after watching these type of hateful comments.

You're right it just a drama guve your opinion accept it how it was and be happy and if u can't move on rewatch it.

You accusing others of gaslighting while ignoring Xiaoyaos autonomy boundaries and choices.It’s unfair to label Jing a stalker” while ignoring the serious flaws of both Xiang Liu and Cang Xuan.

Jing never dictated Xiaoyao’s life. CangXuam, on the other hand, discussed how Feng Long’s offer could be advantageous” (File: file-LDs9PpBrZ8qofZUhJeStMQ) clearly valuing politics over her feelings. Jing asked CangXuan to intercede once, then respected her choice. That’s not control that’s restraint.

Xiang Liu literally tried to kill Xiaoyao, multiple times. Let’s not romanticize that. He shared his life force later (File: file-X42vuUAXn4SbGkBeAbPcDq), yes but that doesn’t erase the trauma. Jing, meanwhile, never laid a hand on her, never lied, and never forced her (File: file-4Kj6iP2dnpn3NsRY88t3Nw).


And the spying? XL did the same, monitoring her through the hairbell and showing up uninvited. Jing had no magic just fear for her safety. He followed her in Qingshui only after she was being targeted not to control, but to protect. He monitored a suspicious letter not for fun, but because threats were real. The text shows he never wanted her to marry but still let her go quietly.

Jing is flawed, yes. But he never manipulated Xiaoyao like CangXuan, never endangered her like XiangLiu, and never demanded love in return. He protected, respected, and withdrew all without powet.

Again you're insisting in some things which even don't matter you're not acceptimh the child wasn't his but for the sake of his guilt he stayed and let go Xiaoyao. How can he don't became jealous after all he loves her but she did whatever she want, several time she go with Xiang Liu. If she wanted to marry Feng Long no one con stop her. Xiangliu is the one who was creeping around her . Now Xiangliu is the best protector who tortured her back than, huh!

If Jing has Zero rights than also Xiang Liu has no right to do whatever he want because he's enemy of her family be real bro .

If You're calling Jing stalker than Xiang Liu is the biggest stalker he also did it with magic, manipulation. Do you know why I can't choose Xiang Liu because of his demonic side his manipulative sides, his toxicity and I think so many people can't choose him for this reason

If a person can't difference between Toxicity and Non Toxicity what the meaning of watching. People ignore Xiang Lius manipulative and emotionally harmful behaviour and how unhealthy and obsessive bond was with Xiaoyao.<


The perfect example is Ah Heng and Chi Chen. How they ended.

You’re absolutely entitled to your opinion, but much of what you’re saying either overlooks crucial scenes or misrepresents Jing’s character .

“Jing wasn’t loyal. He dumped Xiaoyao and married Feng Family girl.”This is a misunderstanding of the context. Jing didn’t “dump” Xiaoya. he was trapped by the Feng family, drugged, and forced into marriage to protect his clan. He never stopped loving Xiaoyao.

In Episode 17, when Xiaoyao finds out about the arranged marriage, Jing literally begs her to run away with him. She refuses. That wasn’t abandonment. That was desperation to hold onto her.

Givinh back the purple fish stone, proving she gave up on him..? what a nonsense .!
Yes in the moment, she gave it back because she was devastated. But she also went searching for him again, risked her life and never stopped loving him.

In the drama and novel, even after she lost her memory, her soul remembered Jing. That’s why she fell in love with him again as Ye Shiqi.

Others fixed things for him. You're always insisting on this than how come you forget when he fixed things for them. Jing risked death and torture at the hands of the Fengs to maintain a double identity as Ye Shiqi just to stay close to Xiaoyao.

He built a life with her, protected her quietly, and rejected Feng Long’s help multiple times to avoid dragging Xiaoyao into political danger. That’s not weakness. That’s sacrifice in silence. So it even.

And not forget he tried to kill himself when he thought he lost her for good. That’s not passivity it’s emotional devastation.


He risked his life and hid from the entire Nine Provinces as Ye Shiqi while the Fengs searched for him.
When Cang Xuan threatens Xiaoyao's life, Jing rushes to her defense without a second thought.

When she needed healing, he offered his own blood a deep, painful sacrifice in the novel

He was tortured, humiliated, disowned, and still chose Xiaoyao over power, status, and political gain.
He was not loyal—to anyone. That’s simply false. Jing is loyal to the people he loves not to titles, not to fake oaths. He didn’t stay loyal to a forced marriage he never consented to. He didn’t let a title stop him from trying to protect Xiaoyao at every step.

And when he was finally free? He didn’t run back to the throne he ran back to her.

In both drama and novel, she actively chose him again and again.

Even when Xiang Liu was there in the shadows, she didn’t chase him. Even when Cang Xuan offered her power, she didn’t take it

She chose Jing because he gave her peace, safety, love and a future.
Her final line in the novel says it all ,,,,,,,The one who stayed beside me when I had nothing that is the person I want to grow old with. A person how can grow old with anyone without love

That was Jing.

Jing’s love is silent, gentle, and enduring. It’s the kind of love that doesn’t demand, doesn’t burn out, but quietly waits even when unloved. That’s why it’s easy to overlook but that doesn’t make it less powerful

Yes, some viewers was in Xiangliu and did and that’s okay. But many also returned to Jing after rewatching, understanding the nuance and quiet sacrifices. Choosing Xiang Liu doesn’t make Jing any less worthy. Ok Jing is not perfect like every character.
But he’s not manipulative, nor weak. His strength isn’t loud, but it’s consistent. He choose Xiaoyao again and agai even when it cost him everything. And in the end, she choose him, not because he was the last one left but because he never left.

Saying Xiaoyao ended up with Jing just because he was “the only one left” is completely false and both the drama and novel prove it.

In the drama, when Jing disappeared after the engagement, Xiaoyao didn’t just move on. She searched day and night, cried for him and even told Cang xuan

"If I can’t find Jing, I don’t want to live either.”

That’s not settling that’s deep, devoted love. She was willing to give up everything just to be with him again.

In the novel, even after losing her memory, when she met Ye Shiqi (Jing), she said:
“I don’t know why, but when I’m with you, I feel safe.”

Later, when she regained her memory and saw him again, she ran into his arms crying, saying

“I’ve waited so long for you.”

As for Xiang Liu yes, he loved her, but he chose to stay in the shadows. He never gave her a real choice, never gave her a future. But Jing did. He stayed, waited, and protected her silently even when she couldn’t remember who he was.

Wishing someone was free doesn’t mean you’d choose them over the person who actually stayed, waited, and loved you through it all. If Xiang Liu truly mattered more, she would have fought for him the same way she did for Jing. But she didn’t. And that silence says everything

In the end, Xiaoyao dreamed of a life with Jing, telling him

“I don’t want power or revenge. I just want peace. I want a home with you.”

That wasn’t desperation. That was her healing, her choice, her peace. She didn’t settle. She chose the man who never gave up on her. If it's not choosing what was this she was a free spirit person she also can not choose him but shechoose him

Horse puckey....? Let's unpack this then!!!!!
because it seems you've misinterpreted how fictional narratives, and specifically character relationships, often work.

First, your assertion that the only correct answer is 'because I love him' is simplistic, even for real life, and completely inadequate for complex fictional relationships.
In reality, and especially in well-developed stories, love is rarely a singular, unexplained feeling. It's built on shared experiences, sacrifices, vulnerabilities, and growth. To reduce it to a tautology (I love him because I love him) ignores the very essence of character development and relational dynamics. If that were truly the only answer, countless compelling love stories, where characters overcome obstacles or evolve their feelings, would be meaningless.

You said Jing didn't earn any of that much less trust. He repeatedly broke his promises and proved untrustworthy.! This selective reading misses crucial context.

Character flaws and mistakes are precisely what make a redemption arc or a journeys. His repeated mistakes, and more importantly, his efforts (however flawed) to atone, protect, and genuinely care for Xiaoyao despite his initial shortcomings, are what can lead a character like Xiaoyao (or the audience) to eventually trust and love him. The narrative often explores why these promises were broken, the pressures, making his journey relatable and his eventual worthiness earned through struggle, not perfection.

Your interpretation of The Lovers Bug or whatever magical/supernatural element is at play as something only shared by people who loved each other is a common fan theory, but often a misreading of such tropes in fiction.

Magical catalysts in stories often serve to initiate or accelerate a connection, or reveal an underlying, nascent affection, rather than simply being a passive reflection of existing, fully-formed love. If the Bug only affected those already deeply in love, it would be narratively redundant. Its function is typically to create a unique bond or shared experience that forces characters to confront their feelings, leading to love, or amplifying a connection that might otherwise have been suppressed. It acts as a plot device to bring characters together.

You're free to prefer other characters, but calling Jing’s story propagand ignores the facts. His love was steady, loyal, and selfless not loud, but deeply meaningful.

He was poisoned, tortured, and still risked his life for Xiaoyao like retrieving her hairpin from the Nine-Headed Demon. He never forced her, never manipulated her, and always respected her choices.

Disagreeing is fine, but dismissing real character depth as “propaganda” just shows bias, not analysis.

On Xiang Liu’s tragedy some may dislike his ending, but that doesn’t mean they dislike the character. The emotional impact of his death proves how people connected to him. Tragic characters like Xiang Liu often become iconic because their love and sacrifice leave lasting impressions.sad ending always last in my op. People asking for a happy ending isn’t proof they hated the sad one.


That exact logic applies to Jing as well. Many misunderstood him early on, especially due to the forced marriage and family obligations. But as the story progresses and his quiet sacrifices come to light, people begin to see how loyal, enduring, and selfless he truly is. But some people couldn't understand this!

This needs nuance. Jing didn’t stalk or control Xiaoyao out of obsession he was trying to *protect her* while being trapped himself. He never forced her to stay, never coerced her, and always backed off when she asked. Meanwhile, *Cang Xuan tried to dictate her marriage*, and even *Xiang Liu had Fangfeng Bei report to him*. If Jing’s behavior is unwanted, so is their but he’s judged more harshly.

That’s simply false. Jing’s strength lies in quiet perseverance:


- He risked death to retrieve her hairpin from the Nine-Headed Demon.

- He endured poison, torture, and humiliation but stayed alive just to see her again.

- He gave up clan power, inheritance, and safety to be with her. These aren’t dramatic gestures, but they show emotional and moral strength and fans who value depth and realism recognize that.

He is one of the three main leads in the romantic arc. Saying he’s not a main lead doesn’t reflect the show’s structure. His role is crucial in shaping Xiaoyao’s emotional journey. He ended up with her so anyone can say who's the main lead

Jing loved without conditions, chose Xiaoyao over everything, and respected her choices something few others consistently did. If we’re praising emotional growth and sacrifice, Jing deserves credit just as much as anyone else.