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I have to disagree, I had seen the untamed multiple time...the focus of the hand to express emotions is not the same level as WOH. For the untamed, I think like you said is in the stare and look. The hand is not as much as focus point for expressing emotion as WOH. The staring and the micro expression, especially Lan Zhan’s similar to the close-up WKX’s hand motions. The director’s shot in the WOH has a lot of close-up to actor’s hand motion, while director in the untamed focus a lot on the face and eyes. I guess I am more talking about the focus of the camera shoot and the way how the director of both show used different part of the body to expressed emotion other then just saying it with word.

But isn’t ZZS’s ranking higher? He is from a nobleman family and a cousin to a royal prince and CL is “technically” just a young lord of a rich family. It is more scandalous that CL calling ZZS and WKX “ uncle” because they are from the same generation and he should be calling them “older brother”. A-Xiang and CWN should be calling him ( CL) “uncle”...but because he became ZZS’s student...the ranking is all mess up...lol ...the generation ranking is important in Asian’s culture...lol I know because I had 30’s calling me “aunt” when I visited my mother’s family (she is youngest of 8 children and she had her kid late - for them - ) lol...it was weird.

So to deal with missing WOH, I have been doing edits. I have just noticed that hands seem to important in this series. No matter what characters I do, I noticed to show their love and sadness, there is a close up of their hands. I don’t remember other series focus on hand as much. It is interesting way of showing emotion.

This is my new edit (it would good to get some feedback):

https://youtu.be/Pd-IxTluA-I

Older ones that just show more hands somehow. (0_0)

https://youtu.be/K7ycUdNEeyY
https://youtu.be/qoDLTk8VACc

You are not the only one, I call him the creep father and I basically think he has being grooming all his “foster-sons” since they were young. No wonder the scorpion king is crazy himself.

I don’t think Suibian is talking about the untamed show, but more about people lumping all untamed fans into those toxic fans you talk about. I read reviews and I take them as review that their opinion and it’s not my place to judge why they do the thing they do.
I am a hard core fan of both show and when commenters just said those “untamed fan”, it feel a little insulting and it makes it seem like we not should even like that show or we have to choice side. I agreed that comment section of show is meant to talk about that show. I think she or he doesn’t mean to offense but as it is annoying and tiresome for you to read comments from the toxic fans, it also the same for her/him to be lump in together with them.
Let’s all agree there is too much hate in the world and putting people in boxes...just enjoy the drama.

So CL and Xiao Lian (that’s the lady at end) didn’t get married. His student call her aunt, they never tell you who CL’s wife is, just he had a daughter. The boy is Deng Kuan and Xiao Lian (assuming, because they loved each)’s son. They hinted the four season manor is under the mountain that WKS and ZZS lived. As for how WKS and ZZS survive is because the Qi is too powerful to be hold by one person, you need to absolutely trusted and fully loved your parter to survive the transfer - this is the edited out dialogue of the older CL was telling his student and that how they both became immortal. The edited dialogue said that if they master the Kung fu, then the person who became furnace will not died right away, but loses his Kung fu. So WKS lived. If you follow this edited explanation then they get to live with each till WKS died and I just assumed ZZS will leaved the mountain to died, like what YBY did. However, 37 showed they both master the Kung fu and became immortal.

He more then trash, I missed it in first viewing because I skipped to the end since my broken Chinese can’t understand detail, but then I found out he killed his own brother....CWN’s loving uncle, Fan Huai Kong , one of two people on their side. And, I bait it was at time he was trying to convince him to give CWN his approval for the wedding. -_-
Yeah...they did have less tragic end compared to everyone else...you are going to hate this..but I read somewhere the ending for SK and ZJ was going to be ZJ confirmed his love “may it be fatherly or other kind” right before they get buried. But they had to cut it out of shoot because budgets and timing....^0^

Really...I loved to see it.

I agreed the ending two episode killed a lot of characters off screen that I would love to see...but I disagreed I think the most scumming and biggest snakes is Mo Husain Yang. At less, other two you can have a small amount of sympathy...but what Mo Husain Yang did to his clan...

No. CL said he and his father got buried I the snow and the Scorpion never “recover”, so that clan lose their power without their leaders.

Mo Huai Yang storyline arch as the main baddie...I bet he was going to get the main bad guy treatment for episodes between 33- the endings. I would think that where the missing 4 - 6 episodes that got cut because of budgets would talk about and cleaning up episodes 31-32. But instead, we got a lot of characters killed off screen, like Fan Huai Kong. I would love to see the betray he would feel when Mo Husain Yang killed him and MHY do it front of his son? And, I don’t think CWN’s older clan brother would allow it, that why it is said he went missing in 35. Fan Husain Kong basically raised Mo Husain Yang’s son and students. He was the heart of that clan. Also, I can only imagine how the scene for Tragicomic ghost’s death would be like..she died trying to get beauty ghost body....it would have been a better send off for the characters.

I would love to see some of the missing scene that was not shoot like:

where ZZS told CL to take care of WKS and lied to him that he left with YBQ and Da Wu to find a cure and that he (ZZS) will come back for him (WKS) once he is cured. They were still in at gravesite. But, 36 just have CL confirming the lied. Did it get edit out? Or did I mixed the BST video?

I swore I remember seeing a scene in 35 (ending) or beginning of 36....

Yes, you are right to have your view, but I was trying to explain why fans considered WOH as “new wuxia”. Let’s me clarify my statement, yes not all wuxai drama doesn’t start as CL’s stories would. However, “that is more a rule then exception”- the point is what you have already started - the condor series (including heavenly sword, handsome siblings..ect) have been and will be adapt several time over and won’t stop. To the general viewer and non-die hard wuxia viewer what they know and learn about the tropes/characterize of classic Wuxia come from these “more popular” over done drama. People will do their comparison using these drama or it would the first thing that will come to their mind when ask about wuxia drama. The point being is all those drama you mentioned are good anti- condors tropes, but general drama viewer won’t remember they off hand or even if they have watched it, that why Chinese and international viewer thinks WHO as “new”. It similar to if you were to asked American, what is general origin story of a superhero, they will thinks of Spider-Man, Superman and Batman, which are classic superhero story that have several iterations and people know the story without thinking. But lesser known darker origin story will not pop up like, X-man (not X-men) or legion.

The pure fact that the labeled of WHO as a “new wuxia” come from the production and the actors (ZZH) themselves from interviews. They said so themselves -if they were a “classical wuxia” drama, CL would have been the star, which I would agree with in this case. A lot of Chinese viewer only see the “classical” tropes showed and compared it to mostly the condor stories, because the production/ director chooses those tropes to be add to drama. I don’t thinks priest’s novel version would have these much tropes and wash clean ZZS and WKX characters for even “dark” characters as depicted in the drama (which is another can of bean because of censorship not related to BL). I think they were even darker in the novel.

For died-hard fan, who have build up knowledge won’t see anything new but for new or causal viewer, it is different and new from the old.

Ps. I have mostly seen all those drama when I was little..parent loved wuxia drama. As for the The Black Sabre ( which, they did do a recent version, which suck - I couldn’t watch a full episode) – the ML is the flirty one, then the cripple one. Also, even thought the cripple one want to destroyed the righteous clan…you find out it not because he was seeking “revenge” for his “father”. He was just paying back what he thought he own to the lady who raise him because she was actually the mother of the flirty one and didn’t want him (flirty) to be pull in the revenge business and died. So she pick up a random kid to raise and brainwash him to think he is her son. While the real one grew up in comfort and peace. Expect the two “sons” know their true identity all along, one want to pay back his adopt mother by seeking revenge. While the other want to protected the fake son because he feel his parent was wrong to drag him into the revenge mess.

As someone who is not newbie to Wuxia and Xianxia, because my parent love the classic condor hero story and raised us to watch this genre...I can tell you WOH as wuxia story is really a simple storyline and characters number is not massive that you would need a map like other Wuxia story that interlock with each other or xianxia story that have massive world building ( which is a major characterizes of all xianxia story). Yes, there is a lot of classic Wuxia trope, but if this is your first then you party won’t pick up, it is when you start to watch more wuxia drama that you will notice them. It is fine starter wuxia because there is not really complicate background story for any of the characters and there is really no need for world building either, like inter clan relationships or power struggle. They keep the clan number smaller then most wuxia (which is why I am confused about people talking about there is too much clan...there is only three fractions in this whole storyline) As someone said that is not ideal for wuxia starter movie, you have start some where and if you enjoyed it then you would watch more of the genre and look up what you miss...

Isn’t he already glowing, I think he get more beautiful, not pretty, but beautiful as the show process. Especially near the end with that single tear drop scene...classic romantic trope.

It is considered to a new wuxia, because CL would be the lead of the story if it was the classic wuxia. All wuxia story beginning with the hero losing his parents, home and everyone thinks is he useless with Kung Fu and have no potential...however he is found by a secret powerful master or he found secret manual that lead him to find out that he is secretly a Kung Fu genius...which is basically CL’s storyline. However, instead of focusing on CL, the story focus on his mysterious masters ( ZZS and WKX) and they are not “pure” white characters that classical wuxia hero generally are.

Lololo....yes that could be an answer...No mother and wife was ever mentioned by YBY...unless her existence is not worthy of being in YBY’s eye....which I can see .. .hee...hee

Rong Chang Qing, YBY’s love and Rong Xuan’s biological father, created the Ghost Valley. So to clean up Rong Chang Qing’s unfinished business, YBY made a promise to destroy the valley if the ghost brought evil back to world. That why he has authority over all dealing with ghost valley. Since WKX became chief of the ghost, his life is technically in YBY’s hand. However, like PeachBlossomGoddess said WKX’s parent and Rong Xuan are clan-in-law, YBY is technically WKS’s grandfather on his uncle side and he is predecessor to ZZS’s master (just not in the same clan) so is he also “grand-master” to both ZZS and WKX. In all directions: YBY is WKS’s “grand-something” ^_ ^