Lou is actually good at his job. That wasn't a small fire, but he lead the team by giving orders calmly, assessing…
I mean, tell me you don't know how command chain works without telling me you don't know how command chain works.
Pointless to talk to you if you don't know even the basics. It is irrelevant that the beam wasn't only his responsibility. Others would be punished too of course (both youngsters and their direct supervisor) but as commander ultimate responsibility is his and he needs to face official consequences for that. The destruction of the team cohesion and falling apart of relationships is all on him. Of course , he walks away like nothing happened because the writer suddenly decided he will not follow the rules he himself previously established.
Lou is actually good at his job. That wasn't a small fire, but he lead the team by giving orders calmly, assessing…
What he was, was lucky.
If that beam that fell on the ML had truly broken his spine, and it very well could have in real life circumstances, would that have been an ok price for learning? If the ML hadn't stepped in, that whole station would have imploded.
His actions were absolutely the cause of what happened. Why he did that, whether he is a nice person, none of that matters. Commander takes full responsibility, the ML was injured, the relationships in the station were toxic and he absolutely should have been removed from command as a consequence of his actions according to the standard the writer previously established. He had numerous red flags before that final incident that he should have spotted, not to mention he was told directly it wasn't working. He ignored all of it. It is irrelevant that the writer is now going to pretend it is just "learning" and normal and no big deal. It is bad writing. If the writer wanted to leave it as normal part of leading, even though it isn't, then he should not have kicked the ML out previously for far less.
You don't learn command on the job btw. You learn first at the academy, then as you go up the ranks and as an assistant to a commander. Not on the job when dead people are what happens because you are "learning". This isn't idols playing actors and messing up a drama because they can't actually act and are "learning" on the job.
LMY did not do anything against the rules. He chose to remove himself. I have said since day 1 that he is not…
Lmao he totally destroyed the relationships in the station, over-worked them, stressed them, which caused them to start acting out even at actual missions but he was not wrong. Sure.
The ML literally addresses his fails but sure, let's pretend he was not wrong. If the ML hadn't shown up and started cleaning up his mess, that station would have totally imploded and somebody would have ended up dead.
He has a good heart. If the ML had become paraplegic for example who cares! He has a good heart! It's actually frightening that you think someone who is failing so badly that people could be permanently disabled or dead due to his actions and inactions is not wrong. When the drama itself directly tells you he is and why he is. Unbelievable.
Lou is actually good at his job. That wasn't a small fire, but he lead the team by giving orders calmly, assessing…
He introduced competition and part of that was his introduction of technology. That too hightened their stress levels and made the relationships in station worse.
Plus if people break who is going to be using that technology? That's why it's a fail from a wider POV that is all reflected in his inability to command. If he had introduced it, without the relationships becoming so toxic, then it would have been a success. Technology on its own means nothing. People using that technology means everything and his people were breaking.
He is absolutely not command material at the moment. He would be good as a tech man and an innovator but command requires skills he does not have.
So I am back to my initial statement - the writer had the ML suspended and removed for a far less severe issue. Here is someone who is failing at command and whose failures caused serious consequences and absolutely should be removed too. Instead the writer does a 180 and suddenly he gets a pass.
Lou is actually good at his job. That wasn't a small fire, but he lead the team by giving orders calmly, assessing…
He destroyed all personal relationships in that station to the point that they went crazy on each other during fire.
He failed to introduce the technology because he did not follow up what that was doing. Technology becomes irrelevant when the people who are operating it break. Which btw is exactly what the ML told him when they were at the exhibition. Firefighters were both too stressed, too tired and it was also used as a larger part of his competition innovation which was a direct cause of total meltdown in interpersonal relationships.
He is a total failure as a leader and no, this isn't just about that one fire. How you managed to miss the giant plot of relationships falling apart in the station as a direct result of his actions is beyond me.
The writer had the ML suspended as the person in command even though he actually had no fault over what happened. Now this guy destroyed all moral in the station, people are getting hurt due to both his inaction and actions and the writer is suddenly pretending command responsibility that he introduced in the previous episodes doesn't exist for something that is a far bigger problem.
LMY did not do anything against the rules. He chose to remove himself. I have said since day 1 that he is not…
He absolute did fail in his role as a leader.
He introduced an innovation, failed to follow up, failed to listen to feedback, failed to confront his own issues when LYR says he too has to self-reflect. He failed miserably in one of the most important things that a person in command has to do and that is to take responsibility as a leader.
The drama actually established a certain way of command and responsibility for command with the ML and then the writer turned around and for far more grievous issues is coddling the other character. You can't have both if you want internal consistency of the plot.
Lou is actually good at his job. That wasn't a small fire, but he lead the team by giving orders calmly, assessing…
Yeah, I don't think he is good at his job. I find him to be a highly incompetent leader.
He introduced technological innovations and then wasn't even capable of doing that properly. What we had before the ML started cleaning up is a station that is falling apart and them making mistakes, on site of the fire, as a direct consequence of what LMY is doing.
He introduced the competition then completely failed to follow up with the consequences that were arising. LYR actually called him out directly over the need for his own self-reflection and he ignored it. If the ML had ended up a paraplegic when that beam hit him would a valid excuse be well his intentions were sincere. Plus, yes I question how much what he is doing comes from sincere intentions and how much from his pathological need to delete the ML's influence from the station.
This drama is very good in showing how absolutely necessary teamwork is for these types of jobs and yet the person directly destroying that teamwork is being coddled.
Not to mention it's absolute nonsense to say he is the only person who worries about the lives of firefighters, especially in this show where almost everyone else is doing much more to keep those people alive when it comes to the bottom line.
I don't understand their attitude towards Lou Ming Ye, especially considering what was shown in the first part of the drama.
Lin Lu Xiao was suspended before we could blink as the person in charge for something he didn't do but that's command responsibility. All right. Now we have Lou Ming Ye who has trashed the station to the point they aren't functional and people are actually getting hurt as a result (could have been worse, ML could have died) yet both the ML and Yu are protecting LMY. LMY says to the ML that they all think he isn't qualified to run the station and he isn't. That is a fact. He is over-stressing them and over-working them to the point of causing major harm. Everyone is at fault but him. He hasn't had a second of self-reflection even since the ML came back. Where is the command responsibility that removed the ML in a second and why is this now ok? Liu Yu Ri is right, they should have reported him ages ago because at this point it's active harm. Yet nothing. The ML is still talking to him instead of simply having him removed. I don't get it.
You can't learn on the job when your responsibility is this huge. People die. Why the special treatment for LMY while the ML was kicked to the curb within seconds?
I have binged watched up to episode 18 and this is surprisingly good? This is my third firefighting drama in a…
Yes, there is some propaganda but overall it's been incorporated pretty well. The plot has been escalating properly and the culmination in the big explosion was excellent. They have shown tragedy that follows jobs like this quite well. I am surprised but glad they are keeping the line of needing money for medical expenses and them as firefighters not earning a lot. Good job on the feeling of guilt of both the ML but captain Meng too who as the head boss sends them all to handle these incidences that may potentially mean death or major disability. Really good acting by the veteran actor.
I actually really like how the romance wasn't some huge push and pull but just two people who fell in love and grew into being together. I honestly love the ease that they displayed there because they are in love and that is that as it should be with adults. She is supporting him in difficult moments too and since so far it's good writing, I expect we will see reciprocity too (hopefully). Really good drama so far!
I have binged watched up to episode 18 and this is surprisingly good? This is my third firefighting drama in a short time and it is easily the best (so far) 👇
It started its rerun on CCTV 8 today with really good ratings. This drama is probably going to become one of CCTV staple dramas as it has a long tail and is received so well.
She is not evil. That's one of the good points of this drama, none of the characters are the often encountered evil caricatures that act irrationally. She does continue to cling to the ML even later on once he has moved on but you get why she does it.
I tried to watch this drama, but about to drop it. I don’t like it when the leads are drunk and out of control.…
I don't know where you are from but when it comes to China and big cities this is accurate. Plus the FL stops pretty quickly.
It actually even shows social drinking related to work quite faithfully because it is frankly out of hand. Lots of people despise it but are forced to due to work, sometimes to a ridiculous degree. This drama generated a lot of discussions and quite a few were about this for example because it reflected what people faced in their daily lives.
The problem isn't that they chose a very obviously adult woman to be the FL. The problem is that you see a very obviously adult woman trying to act as if she is a teen with the tone of voice, pouting, blinking, body movements and that is simply cringe worthy. I will stick with it but the beginning is a chore.
The rest of the casting of the movie still very tight-lipped, but here are some rumours I've heard: Tony Leung…
Tony Leung Ka Fai is correct, we have confirmation of that. Not to go into details.
The others are still a bit in the air. Actually Kara Wai is not more unsure than JC. Their names all came out in the same initial melon we had ages ago. Genghis khan is being played by a Mongolian veteran actor but we have no names.
WDB is getting yet another rerun, it's been officially confirmed now. September 27th, CCTV 8 again.
If I am counting right with this it is 12 times on TV now since June, so 4 months. Great achievement and says everything about the reception of this drama.
Are there any deleted scenes anywhere? I feel like they must have deleted some, but can't find anything.
No, unfortunately. They definitely did delete some scenes, most likely at least one kiss at the end but nothing has shown up yet. I am not sure that it even will.
No, he doesn't work with pure traffic. It's Li Yitong most likely.
It's not fake, the sets are already up and they are just waiting for him to finish. But that means it won't start until November or perhaps even December because LOCH has a while to film yet. They are still in Inner Mongolia. It's probably why Youku didn't say anything, the posters already exist so why bother until they can announce the cast. Anyway the director and screenwriter visited XZ on set of LOCH.
Li Yitong is most likely it because antis have already been attacking her in China. I get what you mean but chances of XZ working with pure traffic like Reba pretty much don't exist now. He is moving away from that type of drama.
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Pointless to talk to you if you don't know even the basics. It is irrelevant that the beam wasn't only his responsibility. Others would be punished too of course (both youngsters and their direct supervisor) but as commander ultimate responsibility is his and he needs to face official consequences for that. The destruction of the team cohesion and falling apart of relationships is all on him. Of course , he walks away like nothing happened because the writer suddenly decided he will not follow the rules he himself previously established.
If that beam that fell on the ML had truly broken his spine, and it very well could have in real life circumstances, would that have been an ok price for learning? If the ML hadn't stepped in, that whole station would have imploded.
His actions were absolutely the cause of what happened. Why he did that, whether he is a nice person, none of that matters. Commander takes full responsibility, the ML was injured, the relationships in the station were toxic and he absolutely should have been removed from command as a consequence of his actions according to the standard the writer previously established. He had numerous red flags before that final incident that he should have spotted, not to mention he was told directly it wasn't working. He ignored all of it. It is irrelevant that the writer is now going to pretend it is just "learning" and normal and no big deal. It is bad writing. If the writer wanted to leave it as normal part of leading, even though it isn't, then he should not have kicked the ML out previously for far less.
You don't learn command on the job btw. You learn first at the academy, then as you go up the ranks and as an assistant to a commander. Not on the job when dead people are what happens because you are "learning". This isn't idols playing actors and messing up a drama because they can't actually act and are "learning" on the job.
The ML literally addresses his fails but sure, let's pretend he was not wrong. If the ML hadn't shown up and started cleaning up his mess, that station would have totally imploded and somebody would have ended up dead.
He has a good heart. If the ML had become paraplegic for example who cares! He has a good heart! It's actually frightening that you think someone who is failing so badly that people could be permanently disabled or dead due to his actions and inactions is not wrong. When the drama itself directly tells you he is and why he is. Unbelievable.
Plus if people break who is going to be using that technology? That's why it's a fail from a wider POV that is all reflected in his inability to command. If he had introduced it, without the relationships becoming so toxic, then it would have been a success. Technology on its own means nothing. People using that technology means everything and his people were breaking.
He is absolutely not command material at the moment. He would be good as a tech man and an innovator but command requires skills he does not have.
So I am back to my initial statement - the writer had the ML suspended and removed for a far less severe issue. Here is someone who is failing at command and whose failures caused serious consequences and absolutely should be removed too. Instead the writer does a 180 and suddenly he gets a pass.
He failed to introduce the technology because he did not follow up what that was doing. Technology becomes irrelevant when the people who are operating it break. Which btw is exactly what the ML told him when they were at the exhibition. Firefighters were both too stressed, too tired and it was also used as a larger part of his competition innovation which was a direct cause of total meltdown in interpersonal relationships.
He is a total failure as a leader and no, this isn't just about that one fire. How you managed to miss the giant plot of relationships falling apart in the station as a direct result of his actions is beyond me.
The writer had the ML suspended as the person in command even though he actually had no fault over what happened. Now this guy destroyed all moral in the station, people are getting hurt due to both his inaction and actions and the writer is suddenly pretending command responsibility that he introduced in the previous episodes doesn't exist for something that is a far bigger problem.
He introduced an innovation, failed to follow up, failed to listen to feedback, failed to confront his own issues when LYR says he too has to self-reflect. He failed miserably in one of the most important things that a person in command has to do and that is to take responsibility as a leader.
The drama actually established a certain way of command and responsibility for command with the ML and then the writer turned around and for far more grievous issues is coddling the other character. You can't have both if you want internal consistency of the plot.
He introduced technological innovations and then wasn't even capable of doing that properly. What we had before the ML started cleaning up is a station that is falling apart and them making mistakes, on site of the fire, as a direct consequence of what LMY is doing.
He introduced the competition then completely failed to follow up with the consequences that were arising. LYR actually called him out directly over the need for his own self-reflection and he ignored it. If the ML had ended up a paraplegic when that beam hit him would a valid excuse be well his intentions were sincere. Plus, yes I question how much what he is doing comes from sincere intentions and how much from his pathological need to delete the ML's influence from the station.
This drama is very good in showing how absolutely necessary teamwork is for these types of jobs and yet the person directly destroying that teamwork is being coddled.
Not to mention it's absolute nonsense to say he is the only person who worries about the lives of firefighters, especially in this show where almost everyone else is doing much more to keep those people alive when it comes to the bottom line.
Lin Lu Xiao was suspended before we could blink as the person in charge for something he didn't do but that's command responsibility. All right. Now we have Lou Ming Ye who has trashed the station to the point they aren't functional and people are actually getting hurt as a result (could have been worse, ML could have died) yet both the ML and Yu are protecting LMY. LMY says to the ML that they all think he isn't qualified to run the station and he isn't. That is a fact. He is over-stressing them and over-working them to the point of causing major harm. Everyone is at fault but him. He hasn't had a second of self-reflection even since the ML came back. Where is the command responsibility that removed the ML in a second and why is this now ok? Liu Yu Ri is right, they should have reported him ages ago because at this point it's active harm. Yet nothing. The ML is still talking to him instead of simply having him removed. I don't get it.
You can't learn on the job when your responsibility is this huge. People die. Why the special treatment for LMY while the ML was kicked to the curb within seconds?
I actually really like how the romance wasn't some huge push and pull but just two people who fell in love and grew into being together. I honestly love the ease that they displayed there because they are in love and that is that as it should be with adults. She is supporting him in difficult moments too and since so far it's good writing, I expect we will see reciprocity too (hopefully). Really good drama so far!
It actually even shows social drinking related to work quite faithfully because it is frankly out of hand. Lots of people despise it but are forced to due to work, sometimes to a ridiculous degree. This drama generated a lot of discussions and quite a few were about this for example because it reflected what people faced in their daily lives.
The others are still a bit in the air. Actually Kara Wai is not more unsure than JC. Their names all came out in the same initial melon we had ages ago. Genghis khan is being played by a Mongolian veteran actor but we have no names.
If I am counting right with this it is 12 times on TV now since June, so 4 months. Great achievement and says everything about the reception of this drama.
Li Yitong is most likely it because antis have already been attacking her in China. I get what you mean but chances of XZ working with pure traffic like Reba pretty much don't exist now. He is moving away from that type of drama.