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Wayu is the main character of the novels, so really they're highlighting side-couple stories which is why it feels off kilter when they focus on other couples. This season the main couple is Wayu/Thanu so it's a good guess they're going to show even less of the other couples than they did last season, just as a heads up.

Yea, it was part of the marketing clear from season 1. Since it's not marketed towards international fans, if you didn't follow news about the series outside of watching the show it was missed information. It was meant for the fans to do a sort of "choose your own ending" for Wayu's love (or non-love as that was also an option) interest. Honestly, Wayu (i.e. Bas haha) is the main character in all this.

It was pretty entertaining seeing people go so hard for Thanu/Phai last season as someone who follows what happens in series outside of the show. There was no way they were ending up together lol DunBas are really popular in their home country, Plus if you looked at the marketing from the beginning Dun and Bas were pretty pushed by StarHunter, they're their new star couple.

Yeah haha he pushed Phai into them.

I'm going to be in the minority (at least on MDL, since elsewhere it's different) and say that I'm all for the messy Wayu/Thanu/Pha/Phai storyline. And I'm definitely 100% all for Wayu/Thanu endgame. I still find it kind of hilarious that people are behind the cliche fairytale "destiny" crap that is Phai and Thanu's ONLY connection. The two spent all last season completely missing each other and had like five minutes of dialogue when they finally met and Thanu decided "yeah, this isn't for me". Them being together is completely unrealistic. I kind of love that the show is pushing against the destined lovers' trope. Love at first sight through supposed visions of the future isn't real, what is real is falling in love with someone after spending time together which is what happened naturally with Wayu and Thanu. I never felt comfortable with Phai and Thanu having this "preordained" love. It's so silly, and I was glad they deviated from that pretty quickly. Love isn't destiny; it's work, time spent together, up/downs, all those things put together. I'm glad that Thanu ended up saying fuck "destiny" I believe in what I feel and trust in that. We'll see how the story progresses, especially now with the whole new Pha angle.

I was happy to see Wayu standing up for himself, his character got a lot of shit last season when I felt it was pretty fair for him to be upset, hurt, and confused. He'd just been left without explanation by someone who supposedly loved him, so navigating that wasn't going to be easy. I feel like people just have this really shitty outlook on more sensitive men who cry and give in to their emotions, like it's weak and pathetic when it's just...normal? I also think it's so odd that people are railing "Wayu should be single! He needs to figure himself out first!" when..that's literally exactly what he's been doing? He's been single this whole time and hasn't said yes to dating anyone because he's trying to figure himself and what he wants out first. I super applaud him for wanting to find out what's happening with Wayu and Phai first too before allowing anything to move forward. Boy knows, burned once shame on you, burned twice shame on me lol.

This series is far from being the best that's ever been written, so if you're expecting a masterpiece you're going to be disappointed. It's messy af but actually full of pretty unexpected drama which IMO is highly entertaining lol it's kind of like watching a novela or a daytime soap...pretty trashy but definitely addicting and a good time. I honestly super love and am completely endeared by a majority of the characters! I will say I don't quite understand the people who have subjected themselves to season 1, hated it, and are back to watch season 2 expecting different outcomes. What did Einstein say is the definition of insanity?

Sandee pushed Phai on purpose though lol

True, but I'm just saying, if people were upset about the amount of Mark Kit we got in a season where they were the main couple, I'd imagine they're going to get less focus in a season where they aren't so I would go in expecting less rather than more but that's just me *shrugs*

Just as an fyi this season is supposed to be Thanu/Wayu's season so they're actually the main couple.

I seriously want to facepalm at some of the comments here lol how are we still having conversations about this being 2Moons2 (spoiler alert: it's not) and Thanu/Phai and Wayu/Pha still being a thing (spoiler alert: they're not). I just don't get it, does nobody actually follow the news and content about series' prior to them airing or what...? People just go in blind? I don't get it.

I'm just getting it out there now. If you're watching and thinking it's going to be a continuation of 2Moons (any of the seasons) in any way, you're going to be disappointed. If you're watching because you're still holding a flicker of hope that Wayu and Thanu are going to end up with anyone but each other...you're going to be disappointed. I'd honestly just quit before it starts and save everyone the headache of the weekly complaints.

Thank you so much!

From someone like you who has read the novel I'm glad my perception of things was correct! Thank you for the kind compliment! I guess I just really feel for Kiyoi just as much as Hira tugs at my heart strings lol, they've both just been really irrevocably hurt. I think he's a deeper character than people realize and misunderstood. He's surrounded by people but he's lonely and alone. He can't trust anyone to be honest or real with him, or to really like him for who he is but yet he craves love and attention because he didn't get that as a child. It's quite sad if you start breaking it down. Is he a perfect, hero character? Far from it, but I also don't quite think he's the heartless bully people paint him as. Though I do understand the reservations, it's a thin line between explaining away bullying behavior and adding context to it. I think people should probably understand that most people aren't saying his (or Hira's) behavior is correct, they're just saying there's complexities that explain why he acts the way he does, which is a big difference. And I also think Hira and Koyama equally aren't black and white characters which have made this such an interesting watch for me. I hope like you mentioned, we get the translated novel soon as I'm sure I'm missing a lot of nuance from the author. I would just read the Spanish transcription of the CD but I'm not sure where I'd find that haha.

I'm thinking about this series way too much lol but I guess it goes to show you that they've really caught and kept my attention. I wanted to break down something I don't think people have touched on all that much and that's Kiyoi's position in all this. I don't think people consider that Kiyoi doesn't trust anyone. He accurately sees all the "love" and attention that is given to him for what it is, superficial and fleeting. People fawn him and want to be around him because of his looks, because he's popular, etc and he knows people use him and don't actually care about him. And that starts from his non-relationship with his parents. He doesn't have real friendships or relationships, he's completely disengaged, cold.

Enter Hira, someone newly infatuated with him like everyone else. In the beginning, in Kiyoi's eyes, he's just another simpering fan-boy...or so he thinks. Something feels different with Hira, so he starts to test him. Fucked up? Yes, but now all of their interactions have such a deeper context to me, especially when it comes to Kiyoi. Nobody is real so Hira's feelings for him also can't be true, right? You can see things really start to shift for Kiyoi when he realizes he can trust Hira. One major point in that direction was Hira not telling anyone about his idol training when anyone else would have gossiped about it. The real tipping point was when Hira defends and sticks by him after he's lost his status and everyone predictably abandons him. So he decides to open up more, his defenses come down further and he kisses him. What follows that? Hira disappears, again triggering his abandonment issues. He closes himself off and it's like a vicious cycle, but now you start to see a new Kiyoi who has attached feelings to Hira. He's opened himself up to being vulnerable which he hates, and like with his parents he feels insecure. He's now doubting himself and Hira's feelings because abandonment issues do trigger issues of self-worth. The subtle character development and build-up to their attachment to each other are quite worth picking apart the layers honestly. I'm really feeling like I need to rewatch from the beginning. Maybe I'm just projecting because I can relate to Kiyoi's methodology of testing people and disengaging as a mode of protection and deep-seated lack of trust, but his character has been the most interesting to me this whole series.

Thank you! That makes more sense.

The acting in this last episode was superb, truly outstanding. The subtleties left me riveted. I am both mystified and fascinated by the obsessive, infatuated, idolizing love Hira AND Kiyoi seem to have for each other. Is it a healthy love? Obviously not, but I can appreciate that the writing is not trying to sugarcoat or pass it off as one, or worse as a fluff, romantic piece in any way. This isn't supposed to be a typical romance, it's dark and gritty and yeah, a little disturbing. Something I hate the most is when people try to argue and pass off clearly problematic and abusive behavior as the lead up to a functional loving relationship. Completely OT but Mame's work is the perfect example of that, it's just a bunch of bullshit. Pause to say if you like her work and are arguing that this is problematic I'm giving you serious side-eye right now. I mean, If you're going to go for "realistic" then go for realism and truly dive into the complex grey areas. It's completely irresponsible to mess around with abusive tropes because you think they're cute and a good lead-up to your love interests getting together without there being any careful thought or substance. Anyway, rant over. All of this to say that I can appreciate a grey to dark drama/love story if the writing, direction, production, acting, etc. are up to par, and this ticks all those boxes and then some.

Both Kiyoi and Hira are clearly disturbed and have gravitated toward each other with a magnetic intensity that's amplified by their stark polarity. They shouldn't be together and yet should they really be with anyone else? What's that one saying, there's a Jack for every Jill? This is very much that type of scenario hah. I really appreciated getting to dive into Kiyoi's perspective. His very clear abandonment and detachment issues have been well thought out/written and portrayed in a way that makes sense. Honestly, for those rooting for Koyama, I'd feel bad for him in a half-assed relationship with Hira. He would always be second best, with the way Hira views Kiyoi, it would be like trading the sun for a sparkler. I haven't read the novel yet but I'm hoping I can find a translation somewhere soon because I'm really interested in seeing the original intent from the author. (which granted could change my perspective of things, but the series itself is really well done).

EDIT: I also have to edit this to add something that's really been bothering me. Was this just a mistranslation, or was Koyama really going around telling people Hira was his boyfriend when they were only friends? Were they even dating? Because uh...not cool, also manipulative much? Not to say that I think he's the villain, I don't think any of them are, but I certainly wouldn't cast him as the "innocent" in all this. I think they're all equally imperfect and flawed in really distinct ways.

I wasn't expecting much from this for some reason, but I've been pleasantly surprised! I've really enjoyed the episodes so far.

This series is so sweet and lighthearted. Are the characters naive, silly, and adorable? Absolutely, and I love it lol it makes me happy and lightens my mood every week to watch it. Personally, I'm happy to see just an innocent, happy-go-lucky teen BL. Often the themes are much darker so it's hard to find the opposite but also have the series be well-made with some care and thought put into it. Or it's just a mess of problematic issues without proper resolution or follow-through. I appreciate a darker, more complex storyline as much as anyone, but I think it's a good thing to show that gay romance doesn't always have to be rife with angst, tears, pain, and overly complex emotions. Considering the age range we're working with too I appreciate that they're showing that not everyone wants to jump into sex and physical love right away. And not everyone is ready for it at that age, sometimes it's nice just to take things slowly without any pressure on either side for more. This whole series just warms my usually cold, cynical heart lmao I'm taking things at face value and enjoying this fluffy ride.

I said this in an earlier comment but I think a good comparison is The Cornered Mouse Dreams of Cheese. Particularly when it comes to the infatuated, initially one-sided, love interest. It also has very grey areas, and doesn't go to the extreme that Sei no gekiyaku goes to. IMO I think that's a bit too strong of a comparison, but that's just me.

So far the vibes of this series is giving me teenage The Cornered Mouse Dreams of Cheese. I'm not saying the storyline is remotely similar, but I have a feeling that the characters are going to be similarly not as cut and dry/black and white as most people are comfortable with. Honestly, what's throwing me off the most is the OST lol. I'm really hoping we get the level of acting that series had though, I thought it was really good, I mean TCMDC was fucked up but it was meant to be. The writing made no qualms about that fact and didn't try to pass the reality of who the characters were as a typical rainbows and butterflies romance. I think there's meant to be an element of discomfort in this, and so far I'm enjoying the subtle complexities displayed. I definitely see that this is touching on a Submissive/Dominant relationship and I hope - since it very clearly is going in that direction - that they do it justice and portray one accurately. Some people really aren't comfortable with that dynamic but I should point out that a proper Dom/Sub relationship does NOT mean abuse of the Sub. Proper relationships of that nature are built on trust, consent, rules, and outlined boundaries between partners. So far I think they're at least making the attempt. Personally, I'll tap out if we veer into the non-consent = appropriate romantic behavior and is therefore rewarded with a relationship. I really think if people are expecting the sweet fluffy type of series we got with Cherry Magic (and similar) you should probably prepare yourself for this being of a darker, more discomfiting tone. So far we've started off really strong and I'm curious to see where this goes. Also, I have to say it, Yagi Yusei is f'ing stunning I can see how Hira got steamrolled.

EDIT: I also have to add that I really, REALLY hope we don't start getting people shitting on submissive personalities in the comments. It happens every time a character is submissive and it really is so upsetting. Someone can be submissive and still be a complex individual, it doesn't automatically qualify them as being a doormat, unintelligent, unconfident, unable to love themselves, or someone to disparage. It's automatically seen as this negative, undesirable quality when there is literally nothing wrong with being a submissive person unless the person in question is being hurt.

Both Nanon and Ohm are such excellent actors. Pran killed me in his scenes this episode. The subtlety and concealment of his pain were just... heartrending. He was also so relatable. Sometimes actors can make these scenes so dramatic and unbelievable with the way they react, but everything about Nanon's portrayal was on point. Pat is so unbelievably clueless lol but not in a frustrating way (at least not yet). He just really and truly doesn't understand quite yet what his feelings for Pran are. He knows he enjoys being around him, enjoys teasing him, enjoys getting a reaction out of him but he hasn't quite put 2 and 2 together. He's so convinced of his feelings for Ink that I almost can't wait for her to give him a reality check next episode. It will be interesting to see him start to make that connection and I hope they do it justice. I think Ohm is up to the challenge for sure.

I read a comment where someone said "Pran is an open book but Pat doesn't know how to f'ing read!" It had me in stitches (honestly the comments have been hilarious and on point from the beginning) but it also was so accurate. He doesn't have the tools yet to accurately read what's happening so he's just missing it entirely.

I don't think Pat realizes what his feelings for Pran are yet. He's about to though lol he thinks he likes Ink.

Pat was hoping to be alone with Ink but then she invited Pran to stay and sit with them. His sister left saying "I'm making way for you" to tease him about letting him have alone time with Ink, because it was obvious to her that he was hoping they'd get some. You can tell he was kind of treating it like a date by the way he even dressed up nice. He was awkward because Pran kind of unintentionally crashed his "date" haha I don't think he was upset that Pran got invited but he was disappointed and trying to play it off. And obviously Ink doesn't have feelings for Pat so she didn't see anything wrong with inviting Pran to sit and hang out with them.