This is going to be controversial but I'm calling it...
Based on what we know both from within and outside the show I think they'll either make an "alternate ending" where fans can choose whichever ending they prefer with Wayu/Thanu/Phai triangle OR (and I think this is the more likely scenario) we're going to end season 1 with the open ended triangle. A vote will happen (like has been hinted at by StarHunter) to decide the final couple and season 2 will play out the most popular choice. Considering that Wayu and Thanu are the most popular of the two pairings I have a feeling that's the pairing that will win. There are a couple of reasons why I think this is likely to happen.
1. Starhunter has promoted and pushed Dun and Bas the exact same, or even more some might argue, than even KimCop who are the main pairing for this series. They do all interviews together, are around each other almost 24/7 (i'm not even kidding about that hah), and have saturated each others social media. I find it really interesting that Pon (who plays Phai) is no where to be seen in promotional material or even in interviews. I think if they wanted it to be a more "unknown" outcome they would have marketed the three of them together, but that's just from what I've seen. 2. The writer of the novels has stated that the remaining book won't be hers alone, and book 3 won't be released until after season 2 airs (book 2 also ends with what we've gotten up to this point, there is no resolution for the love triangle). 3. Dun and Bas have said some really interesting things about "destiny" in their interviews, and have both said they want to be paired together which I think is interesting. If nothing else it's pushed fans to want to make that happen because they've said that's what they want. 4. In information released by StarHunter it shows that any of the three likely pairings could be destiny, i.e. Thanu > Wayu or Thanu >Phai or Phai > Sandee. And in the books we know that Sandee does have secret feelings for Phai that he's kept to himself this whole time (it's why he asks Phai if he believes in soulmates and destiny). They have also made it clear that "soulmates" and "destiny" aren't necessarily the same thing and don't always equal each other. Basically you can make your own destiny or any event can change the course of your destiny.
To be honest I've liked the ambiguity so far. I think it's made watching kind of fun because you don't really know what the outcome is going to be, when usually it's pretty obvious in BL, either because you've read the novel or because they've made it very clear in the show and promotional material. While they've made it clear which pairing they prefer in the promotional material, they haven't made it clear on the show itself which is really bizarre haha. Also maybe I'm ok with it because I honestly wouldn't mind either one to work out. I like both of them pretty equally, so it's just entertaining for me. It's also pretty funny to see people fight about it on social media platforms and on here if I'm honest lol.
I would say people that are confused as to why Thanu and Wayu are still such a huge thing should probably catch up on what's been happening outside the show. Otherwise, just enjoy the plot-twists but definitely don't be married to any outcome because it could go either way! There's definitely a lot more to come, especially because they haven't introduced Sandee, who is Phai's best friend, into the mix and he's definitely a big part of the story. Also as an FYI they announced very early on that there will be another season coming.
Disclaimer: My own thoughts and interpretations. Hi! The novel is only up until book 2. Book 2 ends right where…
I 100% agree with what you said. I've been warning people not to be married to any scenario because it could go any way lol I think people who don't know what's been happening outside the show are likely confused why people are still rooting so hard for Thanu and Wayu lol. The way StarHunter have been pushing them, how they're being marketed, what they've said, it all adds up to there being a different ending to what people are expecting to happen right now. And tbh why would they go with what's expected? That wouldn't be very interest haha. I might be in the minority but I like the tension for us as viewers right now, it's kind of been fun to watch a show where we honestly have no idea who could end up together. Usually it's more clear so you kind of know who to expect but this time we really have no idea.
It’s seems to just be bitter people who want Thanu and Wayu together, instead of Thanu and Phai. ? I personally…
I don't think it's that tbh I think what's happening is that Dun and Bas are being marketed together, like they're being pushed HARD by StarHunter. So fans of SBFive and Bas who follow all the stuff outside the show (there are a lot) and who make up a good majority of those who watch the show (outside of mydramalist) have been cemented into that ship. I mean for heaven's sake they had a sleepover together that was an hour-long lol. Plus StarHunter has hinted that the final couple between the Thanu/Wayu/Phai couple is going to come down to a vote. So they've pretty much set it up to be a competition between the two. It also doesn't help that Dun and Bas are shown together 24/7, they're all over each other's social media and Pon who plays Phai is non-existent. Like in interviews it's always Dun and Bas who do them together. It's all very bizarre considering how the storyline is going. I'm not sure why they cast the series the way they did if they were always planning on marketing Dun and Bas together for this series, unless the plan is that they end up together lol. But it stands to reason that people outside of the show are getting a very different picture of what's going to happen. I'm honestly curious to see how it plays out because I can't imagine they're doing this for nothing lol I'm going to reserve my judgment on who ends up together once the series ends hah. But definitely, the producers of the series have pushed Dun and Bas in the marketing so hard that it's brought out the fanship wars where people don't want to see a different pairing for them now. Personally, I'm good either way, I think both couples have their merits and would be interesting. I would just advise people not to be married to either scenario as it could literally go either way, especially since the last book hasn't even been written yet.
I'm planning to watch this soon, but before that, is this related to 2Moons in any way cuz I haven't watched 2Moons…
They're not really related, some of the characters are the same but you don't need that backstory to understand this as it's a completely different story. Like an alternate universe. To be honest it might be more confusing if you do watch 2Moons and try to plug in things to this series because nothing from 2Moons really applies here.
At this point, I just have to laugh. I'm amazed that I just witnessed two of the most popular series in the BL genre go up in flames in less than a year due to their own creator. Cheers Mame. Just wow. *slow claps*
Honestly, all it would have taken was a little bit of sincerity and care. It's really insulting IMO how some of these writers, producers, directors, whoever feel like fans are too dumb to care or notice that they're being taken advantage of. Or that for whatever reason they don't deserve quality work. Even worse, is this ugly expectation that BL stories, which depict gay/bi characters, don't deserve depth or thought. I'm glad there are some who are changing and challenging those ideas, but it just makes something like this all the more disappointing knowing the potential of what could have been if the people behind it had actually cared about more than just their paycheck.
Porsche and Kinn Porsché and Kim Time and Tae (Kinn's best friends) Vegas (the son of the minor family/clan) and Pete (Tankhun's bodyguard) I know the oldest brother Tankhun also has a pairing but I'm not sure who it is.
Holy shit. The trailer was insane. I can't wait for this to start. The action and storyline in this alone looks like it'll be worth the time. Can I also comment on how absolutely stunning Jeff and Apo are depicted? Whew. Ngl I'm loving that we're getting some more hardcore, action-packed BL, the mafia setting is one of my favorite in fiction lol
I feel like I have to read the novel now, does anyone know if it's been translated?
I'm SO confused xD I watched 2Moons and 2Moons2 and I don't get the Pha thing xD We don't see his face, he does…
Lol this series doesn't really have much to do with 2Moons, it's not a continuation of 2Moons. It's basically a fanfiction re-write, where the author took some of the characters they liked from 2Moons and made their own story. That's why the names are similar but different. It's actually another book series called Gen Y by Liu Lijun. The reason Parawee isn't shown is because in the first book he's not really a character, he's gone from the first chapter and we just hear about him through other characters.
These writers need to stop giving me Wayu and Thanu if they're not gonna commit!!! Jack and Koh are a hilarious…
Well since I'm seeing it floating around that the final couple decision between the two options is going to come down to a fan vote, I have a pretty strong feeling Thanu and Wayu are going to be a thing lol. Just by the way StarHunter are promoting them together and the fact that DunBas trend incessantly from their antics haha I think they're the popular choice.
Honestly, I kind of find it really strange that they're pairing them together so much in promotion, Pon is nowhere to be seen. That's kind of weird from a marketing standpoint if they aren't a pairing.
Mark and Kit were everything for me this episode. Kit opening up and being vulnerable...and apologizing?! Ugh. Yes to actual communication and proper relationship building. I also love that they're taking this slow and Kit was honest that they needed a period of "courting" time with him focusing more on Mark and their relationship than he had been before. And the watches?! Are you kidding me! Kit's idea of them setting their watches together to "start" with their relationship is the cutest, most romantic gesture. It's probably been done before but I really loved that little touch, it felt like a really new way of saying "yes" haha. What a lovely beginning for them.
Not going to lie...Thanu and Wayu have my full-fledged support. I love them together though I may be super biased because I love the actors actual friendship in real life. They just have a super solid chemistry together. I wouldn't mind if Thanu ended up with Phai but my hope for end game is Thanu and Wayu. From what I know who ends up together between the three of them is unknown because book three isn't out yet, so it could go either way. Which is why things are so ambiguous right now. I'm positive Thanu has feelings for them both and I think so far the author has done a great job of portraying that confusion. I can imagine for Thanu it must be difficult because while he was feelings for Phai, he's a stranger he's never met and isn't sure he's ever going to meet. And while he has feelings for Yu, he promised to take care of him for Parawee and he doesn't want to betray him (especially considering how bothered he is by Padbok's accusations), he obviously puts a lot of importance in friendship. Something about Wayu and Thanu together just makes a lot of sense to me. And I promise it isn't because that almost kiss nearly had me on the floor...well ok that isn't the ONLY reason *coughs*. Also, I was thinking...it might be an interesting way of showing that "destiny" might not be what you think it could be. While Phai and Thanu seem destined they keep missing each other, which I find a curious thing to highlight. And technically Thanu was also placed in the path of "destiny" in a way considering Parawee approached him out of nowhere to take care of a broken-hearted Wayu (someone who at the time he had never met).
I really love that through this whole situation Wayu is finding his voice. I wanted for him to just be single for awhile to figure out what he really wants and I think that's happening. As far as I can tell there's been zero development from him with anyone else, so I guess we'll see what will happen in the rest of the series planned. I have a feeling Parawee might make an appearance but I also think when he does come back it will be too late. Even if he doesn't end up with Thanu if he ends up back together with that selfish ass I'm suing. With this new little fire he has I hope when and if Parawee shows back up Wayu lets him have it haha.
The people that I'm hoping for a deeper dive into is Sab, and the Jack/Koh situation lol. Sab is just too good of a character not to make a prominent appearance at some point.
I agree with everything you wrote here, except one thing: one storyline can be enough for a whole series if it…
True. I just commented on someone's response to another comment I made that it feels like an unfortunate waste of some great acting talent. They could have delved into some of the more pertinent (and glaring) issues this season. Like Type's issues with coming out, his relationship with his father, even the horrible abuses of power from his boss and the resulting problems around subordinates just taking it and not being able to fight back. I actually know what it's like to live in that kind of hell at work, and it really affects you mentally, physically, and emotionally. Especially when people don't believe it's happening. We could have seen Type open himself up to vulnerability instead of continuing to project this toxic masculinity he keeps clinging to that's been around since season 1.
The issue is that Mame couldn't fathom writing something like that. Instead, we get the typical, run-of-the-mill, half-conceptualized bs that's consistent with a lot of crappy BL and if we're honest what she's known for. She's honestly lucky that her characters are cast so well because beyond that everything would fall apart (as I think we saw in LBC2), when the acting doesn't prop up the writing it just crumbles into a confusing mess. I would argue that what made LBC such a success was that Perth and Saint were the ones portraying the main characters, and New actually did a pretty outstanding job as a director, if you look closely the main issue with that series is the plot development. I said after the last episode that it's pretty clear to me I can't watch any more projects she's a part of. At this point, people probably feel like I'm bashing her but it seriously kind of makes me angry how offensively she writes these characters and their relationships. It's a disservice to gay, bi, or questioning characters as a whole.
I understand your POV about Fiat but you got tharntype and champknup wrong.Yes, type and tharn are obsessed with…
You think this series is realistic? Are you kidding? Not to mention the majority of what is portrayed would be considered unhealthy and problematic in an actual relationship. The whole series has been fan service and that's precisely what bothers me so much about it. It's poorly written, the characters haven't been developed and we've been in a constant loop of the same issues since last season. You're telling me this couple has been together for 7 years and they still can't communicate with each other? They fight and make up (no fanservice...right...) every day. If you're in a relationship that long and you can't or don't know how to communicate with your partner that's a serious issue, not cute behavior. Sure, I may have gotten wrong that Tharn came back but that still doesn't change that their relationship hasn't moved beyond where they were 7 years ago, which was where we were in season 1 and now we're almost at the end of season 2. It's such a waste, truly, of some really great acting talent. They could have really delved into some of the more pertinent and serious issues, like Type's issues with coming out, his relationship with his dad, hell even the problematic issue of his boss and his abuses of power. And yet, all of that is gone in a puff of smoke, with Type still unable to make himself vulnerable or set aside his pride. Instead he's still clinging to the toxic masculinity that was an issue in season 1. Something really amazing could have been done with the storyline and these actors and we get...this? Now we have a potential unintentional drunk cheating drama? Could you get any more unoriginal if you tried? It's just a clusterf*ck.
Also, my issue with Khunpol isn't that he's an introvert. There are quite a few characters that have been introverts that have been portrayed quite accurately. Being an introvert doesn't mean that you're emotionally or socially inept. I'm not saying that Khunpol has to even put himself out there, Champs already doing all the work! He's shut him down every episode they've shown them together and it makes zero sense considering...he's supposed to like him. Even if you're an introvert that doesn't mean you're completely unwilling to entertain someone else's feelings or open yourself up to romantic advances literally being lobbed at your head. There have been plenty of opportunities for there to be some sort of development and wow, how convenient we're nearly at the end of the series without there having been any. It's been increasingly obvious that this is all a money grab because they suspect viewers will consume literally anything that has a BL tag. You spend the majority of the episode wading through mind-numbing unnecessary dialogue that's not pushing the plot forward so they could drag it out as long as possible. The piss poor effort coming from teams that we know can do better is really disappointing. At this point, they aren't even trying and it shows. You are perfectly within your right to enjoy the show, just like I'm also within my right to critique it when I feel like it deserves it. I'm not going to put lipstick on a pig and say it's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen just because other people enjoy it, if I think it sucks I'm going to be honest and say so. You don't have to agree with me and that's ok.
Fiat is the biggest most spoiled brat. It's official, I can't stand him. I hate people who are entitled, I hate people who act like they can behave however they want, I hate people that feel like they can throw tantrums/pout/cry and get attention or whatever they're asking for. He's all that and more. It's so juvenile. He's nauseating. I honestly wish Leo would turn tail and run, Fiat doesn't deserve him.
At least Tharn and Type seem to have improved somewhat but again the dialogue just feels like filler, and there's a lot that doesn't make sense. For example...wasn't Tharn out of town? How convenient that he popped up at the bar Type was at five minutes after he saw his picture on social media. Also, he just leaves to go out of town for two weeks with a note that says "bye, see you later"? Especially after everything Type was going through? No phone call? They're completely obsessed with each other one moment, and the next they don't even speak to each other.
I do love Champ and Khunpol but even they're driving me kind of crazy. They keep circling around each other without really saying much of anything. Then when Champ does seem to try to initiate some kind of talk around their feelings Khun immediately shuts him down by changing the subject or making a joke. Do you like him or not? I know he's shy and his friends are encouraging him to be braver, but if the person you like is literally trying to make the first move so you don't have to and you're shutting them down...? How does that even make any sense? From my point of view, Champ doesn't seem dense about anything, he's been flirting with Khunpol nonstop since he set eyes on him again.
This series could have been cut down by half and it would have been fine. Again I don't know why I bother, Mame's writing drives me insane. I can't watch another series that she's involved with.
Because he's not a character in book 1, which the series is based off of. He never makes an appearance.
Yes, though the only translation on Wattpad isn't very good. I think the first novel is called Gen Y: First Love and all of them are written by Liu Lijun
1. Starhunter has promoted and pushed Dun and Bas the exact same, or even more some might argue, than even KimCop who are the main pairing for this series. They do all interviews together, are around each other almost 24/7 (i'm not even kidding about that hah), and have saturated each others social media. I find it really interesting that Pon (who plays Phai) is no where to be seen in promotional material or even in interviews. I think if they wanted it to be a more "unknown" outcome they would have marketed the three of them together, but that's just from what I've seen.
2. The writer of the novels has stated that the remaining book won't be hers alone, and book 3 won't be released until after season 2 airs (book 2 also ends with what we've gotten up to this point, there is no resolution for the love triangle).
3. Dun and Bas have said some really interesting things about "destiny" in their interviews, and have both said they want to be paired together which I think is interesting. If nothing else it's pushed fans to want to make that happen because they've said that's what they want.
4. In information released by StarHunter it shows that any of the three likely pairings could be destiny, i.e. Thanu > Wayu or Thanu >Phai or Phai > Sandee. And in the books we know that Sandee does have secret feelings for Phai that he's kept to himself this whole time (it's why he asks Phai if he believes in soulmates and destiny). They have also made it clear that "soulmates" and "destiny" aren't necessarily the same thing and don't always equal each other. Basically you can make your own destiny or any event can change the course of your destiny.
To be honest I've liked the ambiguity so far. I think it's made watching kind of fun because you don't really know what the outcome is going to be, when usually it's pretty obvious in BL, either because you've read the novel or because they've made it very clear in the show and promotional material. While they've made it clear which pairing they prefer in the promotional material, they haven't made it clear on the show itself which is really bizarre haha. Also maybe I'm ok with it because I honestly wouldn't mind either one to work out. I like both of them pretty equally, so it's just entertaining for me. It's also pretty funny to see people fight about it on social media platforms and on here if I'm honest lol.
I would say people that are confused as to why Thanu and Wayu are still such a huge thing should probably catch up on what's been happening outside the show. Otherwise, just enjoy the plot-twists but definitely don't be married to any outcome because it could go either way! There's definitely a lot more to come, especially because they haven't introduced Sandee, who is Phai's best friend, into the mix and he's definitely a big part of the story. Also as an FYI they announced very early on that there will be another season coming.
Honestly, all it would have taken was a little bit of sincerity and care. It's really insulting IMO how some of these writers, producers, directors, whoever feel like fans are too dumb to care or notice that they're being taken advantage of. Or that for whatever reason they don't deserve quality work. Even worse, is this ugly expectation that BL stories, which depict gay/bi characters, don't deserve depth or thought. I'm glad there are some who are changing and challenging those ideas, but it just makes something like this all the more disappointing knowing the potential of what could have been if the people behind it had actually cared about more than just their paycheck.
Porsché and Kim
Time and Tae (Kinn's best friends)
Vegas (the son of the minor family/clan) and Pete (Tankhun's bodyguard)
I know the oldest brother Tankhun also has a pairing but I'm not sure who it is.
I feel like I have to read the novel now, does anyone know if it's been translated?
Honestly, I kind of find it really strange that they're pairing them together so much in promotion, Pon is nowhere to be seen. That's kind of weird from a marketing standpoint if they aren't a pairing.
Not going to lie...Thanu and Wayu have my full-fledged support. I love them together though I may be super biased because I love the actors actual friendship in real life. They just have a super solid chemistry together. I wouldn't mind if Thanu ended up with Phai but my hope for end game is Thanu and Wayu. From what I know who ends up together between the three of them is unknown because book three isn't out yet, so it could go either way. Which is why things are so ambiguous right now. I'm positive Thanu has feelings for them both and I think so far the author has done a great job of portraying that confusion. I can imagine for Thanu it must be difficult because while he was feelings for Phai, he's a stranger he's never met and isn't sure he's ever going to meet. And while he has feelings for Yu, he promised to take care of him for Parawee and he doesn't want to betray him (especially considering how bothered he is by Padbok's accusations), he obviously puts a lot of importance in friendship. Something about Wayu and Thanu together just makes a lot of sense to me. And I promise it isn't because that almost kiss nearly had me on the floor...well ok that isn't the ONLY reason *coughs*. Also, I was thinking...it might be an interesting way of showing that "destiny" might not be what you think it could be. While Phai and Thanu seem destined they keep missing each other, which I find a curious thing to highlight. And technically Thanu was also placed in the path of "destiny" in a way considering Parawee approached him out of nowhere to take care of a broken-hearted Wayu (someone who at the time he had never met).
I really love that through this whole situation Wayu is finding his voice. I wanted for him to just be single for awhile to figure out what he really wants and I think that's happening. As far as I can tell there's been zero development from him with anyone else, so I guess we'll see what will happen in the rest of the series planned. I have a feeling Parawee might make an appearance but I also think when he does come back it will be too late. Even if he doesn't end up with Thanu if he ends up back together with that selfish ass I'm suing. With this new little fire he has I hope when and if Parawee shows back up Wayu lets him have it haha.
The people that I'm hoping for a deeper dive into is Sab, and the Jack/Koh situation lol. Sab is just too good of a character not to make a prominent appearance at some point.
The issue is that Mame couldn't fathom writing something like that. Instead, we get the typical, run-of-the-mill, half-conceptualized bs that's consistent with a lot of crappy BL and if we're honest what she's known for. She's honestly lucky that her characters are cast so well because beyond that everything would fall apart (as I think we saw in LBC2), when the acting doesn't prop up the writing it just crumbles into a confusing mess. I would argue that what made LBC such a success was that Perth and Saint were the ones portraying the main characters, and New actually did a pretty outstanding job as a director, if you look closely the main issue with that series is the plot development. I said after the last episode that it's pretty clear to me I can't watch any more projects she's a part of. At this point, people probably feel like I'm bashing her but it seriously kind of makes me angry how offensively she writes these characters and their relationships. It's a disservice to gay, bi, or questioning characters as a whole.
Also, my issue with Khunpol isn't that he's an introvert. There are quite a few characters that have been introverts that have been portrayed quite accurately. Being an introvert doesn't mean that you're emotionally or socially inept. I'm not saying that Khunpol has to even put himself out there, Champs already doing all the work! He's shut him down every episode they've shown them together and it makes zero sense considering...he's supposed to like him. Even if you're an introvert that doesn't mean you're completely unwilling to entertain someone else's feelings or open yourself up to romantic advances literally being lobbed at your head. There have been plenty of opportunities for there to be some sort of development and wow, how convenient we're nearly at the end of the series without there having been any. It's been increasingly obvious that this is all a money grab because they suspect viewers will consume literally anything that has a BL tag. You spend the majority of the episode wading through mind-numbing unnecessary dialogue that's not pushing the plot forward so they could drag it out as long as possible. The piss poor effort coming from teams that we know can do better is really disappointing. At this point, they aren't even trying and it shows. You are perfectly within your right to enjoy the show, just like I'm also within my right to critique it when I feel like it deserves it. I'm not going to put lipstick on a pig and say it's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen just because other people enjoy it, if I think it sucks I'm going to be honest and say so. You don't have to agree with me and that's ok.
At least Tharn and Type seem to have improved somewhat but again the dialogue just feels like filler, and there's a lot that doesn't make sense. For example...wasn't Tharn out of town? How convenient that he popped up at the bar Type was at five minutes after he saw his picture on social media. Also, he just leaves to go out of town for two weeks with a note that says "bye, see you later"? Especially after everything Type was going through? No phone call? They're completely obsessed with each other one moment, and the next they don't even speak to each other.
I do love Champ and Khunpol but even they're driving me kind of crazy. They keep circling around each other without really saying much of anything. Then when Champ does seem to try to initiate some kind of talk around their feelings Khun immediately shuts him down by changing the subject or making a joke. Do you like him or not? I know he's shy and his friends are encouraging him to be braver, but if the person you like is literally trying to make the first move so you don't have to and you're shutting them down...? How does that even make any sense? From my point of view, Champ doesn't seem dense about anything, he's been flirting with Khunpol nonstop since he set eyes on him again.
This series could have been cut down by half and it would have been fine. Again I don't know why I bother, Mame's writing drives me insane. I can't watch another series that she's involved with.