The Bad Bone

Yeah, that was the main purpose of the scene probably, thank you! It is really clever writing and makes me hopeful for the rest of the story but I am also trying not to raise my expectations, heh!

Also, in the last episode, BR was disturbed by the sun coming through the trees and we saw a flashback, YH said the same thing before so it is YH's problem. It might be connected with past childhood trauma and we might see the reason later (it might also a scene just for Hong Joo to make a connection between these two, idk.). Does anyone remember any previous scenes with the children? Maybe it might give a clue about which child was YH.

As I said to Vanusa46, it is about the story and structure to me. What I meant about lazy and cheating is to completely clear JBR and YH to bring someone else. After all these episodes that insinuate JBR (and up to a point YH) is involved, shaping the story around them then I want to see how involved they are. I want to see why they did what they did etc.
I didn't know that there was a real murder case like that, it is possible that two characters might be involved, hell, there might be a team behind it but again, it is about how they tell this, how they connect and build the whole story.
For example, if we are talking about psychopaths, as far as I know, they "generally" act alone. They might have followers to do works for them or people to help them but psychopaths rarely take orders, work in a team etc. Their ego, emotionally detached nature, and god complex wouldn't allow that (That is why, BR being the psychopath 7 sins killer that developing emotions and attachments because of YH's brain part is an interesting theory to me) So if there is more than one psychopath as 7sins killer, we need to see how and why and make some sense please! ;)
We will definitely get some explanations for sure, all those cuts in the scenes are not for nothing, I just hope that everything will connect each other in a logical way.

Yeah, it is always possible, they might be a psycho gang and I wouldn't be surprised :) This unexpected killer thing is one of the oldest tricks in this genre but it doesn't mean that I like it every time in every story, it is about how the story goes and connects to everything. In this case, JBR is in the middle of all and YH up to a point, if the scriptwriter clears them and says "Suprise, this is the killer!" ... I mean, it is up to how they tell this and gather everything together of course but yeah, I don't think it will be good storytelling. Let's see...

I think these two episodes will show the direction of where all this goes: To start giving answers or asking more questions which becoming exhausting at this point. We really need to start to see the events in the first 10 episodes and even prior to that, from the very beginning. There are lots of dark parts in the story, a lot of cuts in the montages so there is a long way to go but especially there are a couple of scenes that I am really looking forward to seeing and they are pretty pivotal to the core story imo.

1. Jae Hoon's family murder scene: We just keep going to that scene and there are a lot of cuts at those scenes and that is definitely intentional, everything kind of started from there... looking forward to seeing what the reveal will be...

2. The last scene of Yohan and Bareum at the BR house: That was another pivotal and revealing scene imo, totally changed the direction of the drama and I am dying to know what went down between them there and I am hoping to confirm who is who from their mouths there and what they are up to because they were definitely chasing each other at that point. Since I saw that scene, it has been pretty clear to me that YH was definitely there to kill the cross killer and end-all of this but let's see...

3. Yohan's scenes with Seo Jun and Ji Eun: I think there is a very important connection between these scenes. From Seo Jun saying "you are my son" to YH saying to Ji Eun, "your son is a killer" and those scenes might have triggered the events for YH and pushed him to the edge, ending up smashing BR's brain.

4. How the hell is Na Chi Kook still alive, man?! :) Please give me a good motive (from the killer's perspective) other than him telling to the characters who the real killer is!

Honestly, I am not expecting every question and detail to be explained because there will be more scenes for the shock value and to throw off the viewers from the past too but at least I am hoping for a general story that fits in place and make sense. See? I am pretty easy to please, hah! :) Just...please don't pull a rabbit (in this case, a killer) out of a hat and make the cross killer someone totally irrelevant to the story just to be shocking. That is lazy and cheating at this point.

Not sure if it is legit but I read somewhere that he might not be nominated in the acting category because he is nominated in another category which is stupid if that is the case. Is he supposed to be punished or ignored just because he is good in more than one field?

As he should! If not from award shows, hopefully, he will be appreciated by viewers, the entertainment sector and media, etc so his efforts can lead up to new opportunities for him.

Oh, they messed up with the airing period then? It is very unfortunate because his role is definitely exemptional in a way that we need to finish the drama to see the whole picture and truly get his character because he is literally playing two different characters in the first and second half of the drama. I don't know much about SK awards if there are any other after this one but yeah... Someone definitely seems to mess up in the production team. Maybe they couldn't fit the schedules of the actors idk...

How? That doesn't make sense at all. What are their criterias? I mean, Lee Hee Joon deserved for sure, even ep 5 alone is enough. But Mouse hasn't finished yet, we have just passed the half about the whole series! We are literally in the middle of it and LSG's character just took a totally new-180 degree turn. His role is the kind of one that you need to judge after all is done. The other nominated dramas and actors' works are finished or near the end. It means for Mouse, they decided according to the first 10 ep which is not fair.

Brain surgery might be one of the issues and the disappointments about the storyline, in general, might be another one which is normal since you can't satisfy everybody.
But another factor might be that Lee Seung Gi is taking a darker role. I am seeing a lot of resistance to the idea that he might be the bad guy. Like, THE BAD guy. At the beginning of the series, people might think of his role as a hero who catches the bad guys, and now his role is getting darker and darker. And not in an attractive, antihero kind of way. He becomes really creepy and scary when he switches to the psychopath. I think that is exactly why he chose this role though, to shake his ideal man image and be taken more seriously as an actor. I remember he said at the beginning that this role will be another turning point for him and wants to be taken more seriously as an actor. I hope Mouse will do that and he will take all the praise he deserves.

I was disturbed by the way Daniel talked with BR about the “murder” process. When I was thinking about what disturbed me exactly, first thing was that he just didn’t seem like he was talking about that process like a hypothesis, he was talking about like they are facts, like he has gone through and seen it all before. And he seemed very worried or in a rush seeing that BR’s instinct has started to kick in. This all my speculation of course but he might think that if BR’s killing instinct has awakened, at least he can try to turn it around to other criminals. I agree with the comments that he might come to that conclusion when he saw BR was choking MC.
Since I still believe that BR was the cross killer, it occurred to me that scene might be very alarming for Daniel to see if he knew BR’s previous story and development. At first, his intention seemed bad manipulation to me like he was deliberately pushing BR to murder. With the second view, he still seemed manipulating but to channel BR’s killing instinct into other psychopaths at least.
But what will happen when BR gains all his (own) memory back? If he is not the cross killer then fine, he can keep playing Dexter and kill the psychopaths with Daniel's help until he gets caught but if he was the cross killer then Daniel might be in huuuge trouble for his manipulations and mind games.
I personally didn’t buy his explanation that it is all YH’s effect but since this is the official statement of the series so far (they make sure that we heard that YH is the killer at least two times in each chapter), so it is always possible that is true all along.
But in any case, I think Daniel’s involvement in those children and women’s life didn’t end then, in the past. He might follow each of them closely to see their development and intervene maybe when he could. What did he exactly do? We will see step by step, I guess. It just seems less and less possible to me that he cut all the ties with these kids and mothers, especially with Sung Ji Eun after his beloved friend Seo Jun turned out to be a first-degree psychopath. The opportunity to observe and experiment just fell into his lap, I just don’t believe that he turned away from it.
Lastly, I need to pay respect to the director and cinematographer for the last minutes, the last scene especially. Such beautiful frames for a chilling and highly disturbing scene.

I agree definitely. That is why, in my first comment here, I said it is not about just finding the killer, punish him, give him some sort of redemption and go home. This is a character study of a murderer-psychopath. How a human being slowly turning into one... So people who are still waiting for the last-minute revelation about the killer will be disappointed most probably, imo. We have the killer, we are getting to know the killer, he is right in front of us. Like, scriptwriter wants to push us to ask questions such as... are psychopaths really human defects? Are they born with it or they become one? Can they control that urge and be better? Is it connected with their living and social conditions (like YH had been abused as a psychopath’s son) did he cave in and turn into one or didn't? Is it a scientific condition that one is born with it? Or can a psychopath be created in the hands of a mad scientist? etc.etc.

God damn Daniel! You are NOT helping buddy! What a positive (!) guide you are being now! :D

Lee Seung Gi:
"I also don't know what will happen to Ba Reum even though I act as him. He's in the process of finding himself. Jung Ba Reum is looking for JBR true self. I hope as things play out viewers will get to experience this together." (source:https://twitter.com/1301sg/status/1379803061862989825?s=20)
That is... very interesting choice of words, sir! It seems like he will definitely find himself in "very" dark places and I cannot wait to watch!

I keep thinking about the scene where BR wakes up for the first time after the surgery. Without his memories, without his social layers, without any information about what is going on, etc, his first act was to kill. If we go with the psychoanalytic theory, it was his Id's action, just pure instinct, and his first desire-need was to kill. So this kind of scenes, other small details make me believe he is the cross killer but there is always a possibility that they used them for shock value just like what they did at the end of ep 9. We just have to wait and see :)

I would suggest you watch the last two episodes, then you will have a better picture, especially the 10th episode is really vital in our theories about Yo Han's "possible" innocence and JBR's situation. Not sure if I should give many spoilers but JBR, himself, found some solid proofs that might prove Yo Han's innocence, the cross killer's style murders have started again and we have more evidence about YH's emotional personality that doesn't fit with the cross killers psychopathic-detached-ruthless character. Let me put it this way, in ep 10, JBR is in a position that he has evidence that shows YH might be innocent, if so then who is the killer? Why he is having all those flashbacks then? Where are they coming from? Because also these flashbacks are getting more detailed and clearer, it is impossible for him to see anywhere else, it is in his brain and there are two minds in there now. Either Yh is the killer and those memories belong to him (despite evidence JBR found says otherwise) or... there is one other option. Yh still can be the real killer, by the way, and JBR turns into a killer because of him... There have been lots of twists and turns so far, those might be another of the writer's tricks. These are just our theories until now. That is why I would suggest watching the last 2 episodes and come to your own conclusion up until ep 10.

I honestly don’t expect any more twists about the identity of the cross killer from now on. (Hopefully) it is JBR, any other option would be really disappointing for me contrary to the general opinion here. To me, for 10 episodes, the scriptwriter built the story around JBR, has linked all the other ML to him with deep emotional connections. I don’t think that the scriptwriter is expecting us to believe any other option at this point, it is not about it anymore imho (I mean come on, praying in the church scene parallel between 1 and 10 ep?) I think we are not shown the identity of the real killer yet because JBR hasn’t figured it out yet and we are with his point of view in this.

As a viewer, it has become more and more clear for us but not for JBR. He completely rejects even the possibility of this. From now on, we might see how he is slowly coming to the conclusion (and remembers) that he is THE killer that he, himself, is chasing all this time. And he might continue to killing, just not with the same motivation before the surgery (because now he has feelings thanks to Yo Han, and wouldn’t it be the biggest tragedy that when he was thinking Yo Han made him a monster, in reality, YH made him human!) but he will keep killing anyway. It has started with this and then he might continue with the rapist.

In the meantime, we can fill all the voids in the story as JBR’s memories come back. Not sure if YH has killed anyone along the way but he was definitely there at the rooftop to kill JBR because he learned the truth about him (that scene might be one of the climaxes of the series and I am looking forward to watching it!) And imagine the drama when Moo Chi learns this, he will completely lose it then!

I completely understand the people who are disappointed with brain transplants but I really like what they’re trying to do with the story and for the high-level drama and emotional conflict.

I also agree with that theory that Bong Yi will be pregnant with JBR’s kid and the cycle will continue. And imagine the poor Moo Chi in the middle of all of that! That man must have really offended the holy powers above! One kid is the grandson of his parents' killer (and/or the wrong man that he killed) the other is the kid of his brother’s murderer and both from the women he really cares about! Talk about the drama!

Anyway, these were my conspiracy theories word vomit about 10 episodes heh! Mostly I have liked what I have watched so far, I hope it continues in the least disappointing ways possible. I may be wrong about my theories about the future but at least, I really hope that JBR is the cross killer. If nothing, for Lee Seung Gi to show off his acting skills, he is doing great so far!