If you are generally interested in serial killers topic and/or watched Mindhunter (I highly suggest watching if you haven't), you would know Ed Kemper. He is known as one of the most mind-boggling and scary cases. Police couldn't catch him, he surrendered and calmly and insightfully told all his murders in detail and even analyzed his own psychological profile and gave to the police. He described himself as an ordinary, non-threatening, likable guy. He had done plenty of interviews, I wanted to put one of them here because it is an example of serial killers capability of being and acting like a nice, harmless guy and how manipulative they can be: https://youtu.be/tTnEY8y-p7M At 9:10 minute, they asked why women kept getting in his car when there is a serial killer around, he said because she judged me not to be that guy, I didn't look like a serial killer, I didn't look threatening at the beginning and they trusted me.
Imagine being that jobless, bored, and demand attention that you spend your precious time on a drama that you don't like... These kind of characters aren't on fictions only unfortunately, they happen to be in real life too though fictional ones are entertaining at least *yawns*
How did he end up bleeding from his head prior to entering the church? I can't find the scene lol. Also, if Yo…
What we have are just theories... BR's head might be bleeding because of an event in between that we haven't seen yet or it can simply be a shooting mistake since they don't shoot in order. And YH was probably spying on BR (YH's wall mostly covered with BR pictures), somehow he found out the real identity of BR, and he got some of the victims' photos that belong to BR, we don't know how...yet. And why he didn't go to the police? In their last scene, YH said that it would be useless to go to the police. We also don't know why he thought like that either. Maybe YH thought that BR shouldn't be in prison, he should be dead, who knows? We will learn in the next eps, hopefully.
It is nice to hear that the actors gave Choi Ran so much strength and healing. Also apparently, LSG was involved since the beginning, didn't give up on the project when it halted and waited for it. https://twitter.com/ChingTamSze1/status/1385866363491651585?s=20
I think my favorite scene from ep. 15 is Yo Han and Ba Reum's confrontation. Lee Seung Gi's acting in there was…
It is also my favorite scene that I have been waiting for. LSG is really going to another level in his acting (I am also watching him in Vagabond. He is also good there but he is totally doing something else here) He is acting not just with his eyes or face, his whole body language is changing, becoming sinister and threatening. Not an ounce of hesitance when he attacks. And when Dong Goo was pushing him into the hospital room, you can get the pure-full panic from his face to his body. And he has been doing this, playing nearly 3 different characters in such a tight and hectic shooting schedule. Big respect to the guy, really.
Wil there be a break in releasing ep 16? MDL says ep 16 will drop on May 5. I'm confused.
As far as I know, yep, they will take a week break then turn back on May 5 with 16th episode. Next week, there will be special episodes called Mouse The Predator.
Ba reum didn't attack (and thought he'd killed) Chi Kook simply to impress Han Seo Jun, he tried to kill Chi Kook…
Yes, I agree about his main motivation but why he chose the prison? Go with all the production to prepare a stage with an audience? He can do it anywhere else and would be much more easier, in prison there were so many people around and so little time. He wanted an audience and particularly one prisoner to impress imo. This is just my theory of course.
Moo Chi's scene that he talked with BR about regret was so sad. You can see that how Hong Joo's kid affected him deeply. He has this burning thought "if I said yes to her to date her, this kid might be mine, I could have a family, I could maybe have a chance to be happy. " He chose a road for himself now it is too late to turn back. Too late to even feel regret. Every character is tragic here, on their own, in their own way in this drama.
But in this case, they don't know for sure, do they? There is always a possibility even small and they want to hold on to it. In my opinion, in real life or in fiction, the most burning question would be "what if?" What if the child would be a good person? What if I was wrong? What if I could help my child but couldn't etc. And motherhood is not the most logical role in life, is it? First instinct is always protecting. Have you watched Mother from Bong Joon-ho? That film makes a bigger claim in that sense because the suspected killer is a grown-up son but intellectually disabled.
So they now really decided to take a whole week off: https://www.soompi.com/article/1465725wpp/mouse-unveils-thrilling-new-poster-of-lee-seung-gi-to-air-special-episodes-next-weekEven…
That is good to hear and I agree! Do you know whic ep they are shooting now?
Yeah. That makes sense. The file gave by Daniel to someone in a car might be something about Seo Jun. And the…
I also always assume that DL must have monitored the mothers and the kids. Especially if he messed with the results. It was as if he left these bombs tickling and just left... It doesn't make sense so he might be lying but I think, he was genuine when he said he had no idea where the kid in the basement went. He might have an idea who did it but I am not sure whether he is involved or not.
I think as far as BR as a subject of experiment, both DL and HSJ are somehow in a competition, though what drives…
HSJ is powerful in prison but also out of prison. If I remember correctly, it was mentioned that he has fan clubs and followers outside so it is not that farfetched to assume he can use them easily. I mean take Charles Manson, he "technically" didn't kill anyone, his followers did. It seems like there is an invisible hand on BR to control his environment. Aunt is fake, the bodies to prove BR's crimes had been relocated, all the evidence that might show BR guilty were cleaned... And it didn't happen before the surgery, we found all the bodies in the exact place and conditions that BR intended. And the question is: would DL bother that much trouble just to protect BR or at least not to get caught? As you said, he just wants to use BR as much as he can before he dies. And HSJ's demeanor with all his meetings with BR also interesting and as far as I remember, he said to BR that he hopes the surgery would not affect/change BR. Maybe he started to monitor Br after the surgery for the reasons that you said and cleans after him. Maybe it is not much to do with BR being his son but BR being his most glorious achievement. We will see...
Daniel might be a shady character but I don't think that he was the mastermind behind BR's actions, the one that shaping his character as a psychopath. BR called himself a deity, for God's sake! He doesn't respect and think highly enough about anyone else to listen to them. He sees himself above everybody. Even when appreciating YH’s anger, he considers him to be his son, giving him this “honor” but still below him. Do you think that someone could order him around just like that? Even the current Bareum has this side. When Daniel gave him the information of another predator on a paper to kill, BR said stop giving me orders, I do whatever I want, whenever I want. Daniel tries to control the current BR (to clear the mistake he had done in the past probably) and couldn't really. Since psychopaths cannot feel an attachment to anyone through love or affection etc, they can only do with respect. Respect is the biggest issue for them. So far, from all the characters that we have seen and the way we have seen them (there might be more revelations about the characters idk), there is the only one that old BR might respect and that is Seo Jun. He might even organize that magic show in prison for SJ, to impress him. Either connected with Daniel or not, I still think Seo Jun is in this more than we have seen.
Damn, ep 15 was a roller coaster! It revealed and connected a lot of things but also raised more questions. They still haven't revealed much about the children and who is who. YH seemed to know but couldn't have the opportunity to tell. And he said that both he and BR are very "sad" people and it was a very interesting way to...umm...summarize their situation. There is more to come about this definitely, probably about their childhood and what went down there. But it was apparent YH knew more about it than BR there. I was really waiting for the scene and it was really worth it. I will think about it and watch it again. But man, YH might really be the saddest and most unfortunate character! Imagine getting killed when you were trying to save lives and kill the psycho but instead, you went down and become the most hated person when that psycho became the hero. One time, MC said that psychopaths have God complex so they might get cocky and overconfident to show off and that is when they make mistakes. I think Chi Kook is BR's mistake. He left him alive, confident that no one will figure out, maybe he thought he would die until BR finished his show (and he would if there wasn't Seo Jun, I don't think Br thought about this possibility) then maybe he thought he would handle him later but then he got his brain smashed. We might see more about it as MC started to figure out. I always assumed that Daniel kept in touch with the mothers and kind of monitored the children but If we believed what he said, he didn't. And I actually believed him (yeah, imagine believing in something these characters said but I like taking risks, ha! :)) He did one big (HUGE) mistake (probably fake the test results) and everything went down from there. Another thing, I think Daniel has an assistant to help him but I am not sure if he was the one messing with the crime scenes and changing the bodies etc. When he said he has no idea, he seemed genuine (Yeah me, being naive again :)) Also not sure if he was anything to do with OZ, for some reason, it might connect with Han Seo Jun. He is absent for so long and he will be heavily involved in some way imo, he is definitely not a character that will vanish like that. And all his scenes with YH and BR are still confusing me. Man lots and lots of things to unfold, I definitely need to watch at least the last ep again.
I keep watching that shorter preview with Moo Won. And in the longer version, that last stare of BR as he was saying "I am going to judge them all." damn impressive...
Question! Will BR kill anyone else next 6 episodes left? I would say Daniel is a goner, he has manipulated BR and BR might not take it well, especially if Daniel also involved in past events too.
I think Choi Ran's aim is not to create any kind of sympathy for the psychopath or asking for redemption for him.…
I haven't watched the last episode so I don't know the details, I just saw the previews and the confirmation that BR is the cross killer. I always thought that if that theory would become canon, it would be a really bold decision and creates good tragedy and drama so I wanted to express my point of view about this direction of the story. We will see if it really will turn out a good story. I wrote before that I personally don't expect that they will explain every question that we asked so I kind of lowered my expectations and like you, I am just hoping that, in the end, when we look at the big picture everything will make sense, mostly :))
Seeing the preview of episode 15 with BR before killing the priest, it really makes me nauseous. I think it already…
I think Choi Ran's aim is not to create any kind of sympathy for the psychopath or asking for redemption for him. The question would be: would it change anything if a monster starts to feel any remorse? The answer is no. If anything, his punishment will be much heavier now that he will also feel guilt and remorse. Before, those things didn't mean anything to him so he didn't care but now he cares and his punishment will be worse. There is nothing to do to bring those people back, nothing to do to heal the wounds of the people he cares about now and he did all these and worse, he enjoyed it. I think, CR is making this sure by showing these ruthless murders that there is no way to be on his side, he was this ruthless murderer (it is a bit easier to disregard things when we don't see it). I never get any impression that there will be any redemption for him from the tone of the drama so far. And psychopath is the main lead that we cared about and invested emotionally so we also cannot disregard it in any way. Normally in a drama, when a villain or psychopath is an irrelevant character or second lead etc, we just don't care, good guys will catch them anyway or they will die and everything will be good again. But now we care because he was someone we liked, we thought he was good and we had faith in him like the other characters in the story, like in real life so it is painful. He might kill himself in the end but I think Moo Chi will do it and honestly, it is fair and BR will be perfectly fine with this imo.
At 9:10 minute, they asked why women kept getting in his car when there is a serial killer around, he said because she judged me not to be that guy, I didn't look like a serial killer, I didn't look threatening at the beginning and they trusted me.
BR's head might be bleeding because of an event in between that we haven't seen yet or it can simply be a shooting mistake since they don't shoot in order. And YH was probably spying on BR (YH's wall mostly covered with BR pictures), somehow he found out the real identity of BR, and he got some of the victims' photos that belong to BR, we don't know how...yet. And why he didn't go to the police? In their last scene, YH said that it would be useless to go to the police. We also don't know why he thought like that either. Maybe YH thought that BR shouldn't be in prison, he should be dead, who knows? We will learn in the next eps, hopefully.
https://twitter.com/ChingTamSze1/status/1385866363491651585?s=20
It seems like there is an invisible hand on BR to control his environment. Aunt is fake, the bodies to prove BR's crimes had been relocated, all the evidence that might show BR guilty were cleaned... And it didn't happen before the surgery, we found all the bodies in the exact place and conditions that BR intended.
And the question is: would DL bother that much trouble just to protect BR or at least not to get caught? As you said, he just wants to use BR as much as he can before he dies.
And HSJ's demeanor with all his meetings with BR also interesting and as far as I remember, he said to BR that he hopes the surgery would not affect/change BR. Maybe he started to monitor Br after the surgery for the reasons that you said and cleans after him. Maybe it is not much to do with BR being his son but BR being his most glorious achievement. We will see...
It revealed and connected a lot of things but also raised more questions. They still haven't revealed much about the children and who is who. YH seemed to know but couldn't have the opportunity to tell. And he said that both he and BR are very "sad" people and it was a very interesting way to...umm...summarize their situation. There is more to come about this definitely, probably about their childhood and what went down there. But it was apparent YH knew more about it than BR there. I was really waiting for the scene and it was really worth it. I will think about it and watch it again.
But man, YH might really be the saddest and most unfortunate character! Imagine getting killed when you were trying to save lives and kill the psycho but instead, you went down and become the most hated person when that psycho became the hero.
One time, MC said that psychopaths have God complex so they might get cocky and overconfident to show off and that is when they make mistakes. I think Chi Kook is BR's mistake. He left him alive, confident that no one will figure out, maybe he thought he would die until BR finished his show (and he would if there wasn't Seo Jun, I don't think Br thought about this possibility) then maybe he thought he would handle him later but then he got his brain smashed. We might see more about it as MC started to figure out.
I always assumed that Daniel kept in touch with the mothers and kind of monitored the children but If we believed what he said, he didn't. And I actually believed him (yeah, imagine believing in something these characters said but I like taking risks, ha! :)) He did one big (HUGE) mistake (probably fake the test results) and everything went down from there.
Another thing, I think Daniel has an assistant to help him but I am not sure if he was the one messing with the crime scenes and changing the bodies etc. When he said he has no idea, he seemed genuine (Yeah me, being naive again :)) Also not sure if he was anything to do with OZ, for some reason, it might connect with Han Seo Jun. He is absent for so long and he will be heavily involved in some way imo, he is definitely not a character that will vanish like that. And all his scenes with YH and BR are still confusing me.
Man lots and lots of things to unfold, I definitely need to watch at least the last ep again.
I wrote before that I personally don't expect that they will explain every question that we asked so I kind of lowered my expectations and like you, I am just hoping that, in the end, when we look at the big picture everything will make sense, mostly :))
And psychopath is the main lead that we cared about and invested emotionally so we also cannot disregard it in any way. Normally in a drama, when a villain or psychopath is an irrelevant character or second lead etc, we just don't care, good guys will catch them anyway or they will die and everything will be good again. But now we care because he was someone we liked, we thought he was good and we had faith in him like the other characters in the story, like in real life so it is painful.
He might kill himself in the end but I think Moo Chi will do it and honestly, it is fair and BR will be perfectly fine with this imo.