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The scenes happened between episodes 15 and 20. When Jiang Ci helped the women to overcome their accuser in court. She was speaking with Pei Yan in private and they had a disagreement. She didn't want to stay with him anymore and wanted to leave. He grabbed her hand and held her close and was going to do more but was interrupted by Wei Zhao.

The second occasion after he rescued her from his mother's assassins and he knocked her out. He took her back to his place and they argued again. He grabbed her wrist and was going to force himself on her and she told him if he was going to destroy the only good will they had remaining. She was able to free herself run from him and bumped into Wei Zhao, who suspected something had happened even if she didn't go into details.

Pei Yan's mother is a piece of work! Imagine letting your child kneel all night in the rain for a chance to talk to you! Gosh! No wonder he's messed up. Talk about cold. Who does she think she is? The Emperor?

2mL would have raped FL on two occasions if he wasn't interrupted or she wasn't able to get away from him. He's form of caring is blindly suffocating. I don't doubt that he is attracted to FL, only because she provided him some caring that he couldn't get from his cold, ambitious mother. But he's mistaking friendliness for something more and he wanted to force her.... ugh!

I see your point.

Agreed. And he can see it in her eyes. Every single time he does something to upset her, it shows in her face. He's no fool. It means he doesn't really care what she really thinks of him, that it is not important as long as he can control her. She's just biding her time. Co-incidentally, she's finding more in common with the ML in that, they both care about the people. But the ML is equally violent as depicted in scenes from the first episode.

FL was never in love with SML. She's staying with him out of loyalty because he saved her life multiple times. She knows who he is and has no illusions about him from the very first instance. She's waiting for her cat figure so she can leave.

Yeah, but they won't or can't let FL go. I would tell her to forget about the clay cat and just disappear but she's concerned she won't see her Shifu again if she does that.

2ML is controlling, cloying, suffocating, manipulative. I can't even call him kind, because his 'kindness' always houses an ulterior motive. He's a shrewd, complex, complicated character whose equally matched in intelligence with the ML and Jeremy Tsui is playing the character to perfection. 2ML is annoying in that I wish he wouldn't speak to the FL as if she's a child and doesn't have a mind of her own. I wonder how long he's going to try to hold on to her before she decides to leave him? I liked how she put him in his place when she told him she doesn't have romantic inclinations toward anyone. I can't blame her, I wouldn't want either of them, as well, although the ML wins some point in the way he gives the FL agency to do what she wants and doesn't try to control or smother her.
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Yeah, you made a good point with this comment and I agree with you. Violence has no part in relationships. We are essentially on the same page here.

@Dr Ghost - As I had written earlier, I didn't finish Princess Royale which I dropped mid-way because I read the book. The book I loved. The parts of Princess Royale I watched, I loved as well.

You are entitled to your opinion of course, and to be fair, I do agree with some of your points. But this is not the forum for me to discuss the merits or demerits of Princess Royale, it would be disrespectful for me to go into detail about another drama on a forum dedicated to discussing Love In Nirvana.

Going back to discussing Love In Nirvana, you commented:

and you can't use word "I hate violence and at the same time say I love drama's with violence" in same sentence."

My response to you is "Why not?" Who made the rule that because on principle I abhor a practice, I cannot watch or enjoy a drama that incorporates elements of it as a plot device?

I hate murder, yet I've watched and enjoyed detective stories like anyone else. Does it mean that I condone murder?

I hate adultery but I've watched and enjoyed dramas that included these elements in their dramas. Does it mean I'm in favor of it?

So you have no moral high ground for your argument. Nor are you in a position to judge or condemn others for their taste in entertainment. I will leave my comments here and ask

Why then, are you watching this drama if you abhor Violence in general and hate it so much that you say others who hate it cannot enjoy a drama that has it?

Turnabout is fair play, after all.

Well said!

Thanks for the info. I understand why historical dramas cannot film on set. I just think it's extra work to have go to the studio to dub after filming extensively. It makes me wonder how the Koreans are able to film their Sagueks without dubbing. Some of them are actually filmed outside. However I do understand that China has regional accents which may need to be dubbed over. I applaud the effort going into producing these costume C-dramas.

Good points.

Dr Ghost,

I've been reading your comments in most of the dramas I've watched (ironically, we watched the same dramas) and I've often noticed your comments against female leads in general. I have often wanted to ask you about this, but didn't bother before so I'm glad for this opportunity.

Why do you infer from my comments that because I love both above mentioned dramas, it means that I approve of violence against the ML or I approve of the FL biting the ML? It's easy to draw a lot of inferences from a comment based on one's innate prejudices.

So just to clarify: I DO NOT CONDONE violence in any form whether from females to males or vice versa. I even dropped My Journey To Love when I saw the FL pour a kettle of tea on the head of her former pupil (isn't there a better way to express herself, I wondered as I watched that scene). So I can enjoy a drama regardless of elements in it that I disapprove of and I am enjoying this one.

Just because I disapprove of and condemn the actions of some characters in the drama doesn't mean I dislike the drama or the plot. On the contrary, I'm enjoying the drama, have high praise for the writer and have high praise for the acting and cinematography. However, I believe in objective criticism. I can love a drama, while not like elements of it and I see no reason not to express it. Eventually, if the plot continues in this way, I will add this drama to my list of dramas which I loved very much.

Thanks for clarifying.

I loved both of them. I loved ‘Are You The One ?’ from start to finish. This drama is a sterling example of enemies to lovers trope realistically portrayed, without the violence that marks this drama. Because, even if they were on opposite sides, and he massively lied to her and used her, he never really hurt her and he respected her.

With Princess Royale, I loved the story and liked the plot, however I just finished reading the book, which in retrospect was a mistake as it didn’t fully allow me to immerse myself in the drama, so I dropped it halfway. I liked the performance of most of the cast but thought Angel Zhao’s acting lacked the gravitas for the role that you would find with an older (but young looking) actress. Still, she did work well with the material she was given.

You can be tired. But everyone is free to express what they feel about the drama, as long as it is about the drama.

"I’m kind of tired of people not understanding what the “enemies” in “enemies to lovers” stands for. "

That is your assumption. Enemies to lovers doesn't not necessitate violence nor tolerating violence. There are many ways to show people at cross purposes falling in love later when they understand each other without resorting to stabbing, poisoning or choking. Not every viewer has the maturity or discernment not to let what happens in the 'reel' affect their thought processes in real life. This drama plays to the trope that a woman can reform a violent man as long as he falls in love with her, understands her and is on her side, while the reality is that a violent man will nearly always be violent in the relationship.

I can understand his reasons and intent to be violent (as I have already expressed), I just don't care for it being romanticized, as in , the FL falling in love with a man who has been violent to her in the past whatever the cause. It gives a bad message.

Does it mean that I don't enjoy the drama? Not at all. A drama can be enjoyable, even if it sounds a gives a bad message.

This is my opinion. Whether it tires you or not, is not my concern.

They are famous, but tides are changing, now, more people are in favor of the actor using their own voices. Sometimes the dubbed voices are believable, but in this one, the voice actor for the ML doesn't even put in the effort. His voice expression doesn't match the actor's face and emotions. It causes a dissonance which is off-putting. I particularly feel bad, because Ryan Ding gave this role his all and became the character. Both in terms of the physicality of the role, his weight gain and his acting.

It's a disservice to his actor for the voice actor not to do his best with this character. Production may have decided to go with a VA because Ryan Ding's voice is higher pitched for a man (tenor), and they wanted to go with a deeper voice (baritone) which would match the maturity of the character better. His real voice can be found in the closing credit song which is quite beautiful.

There's physical abuse in this drama which is a turn off for many viewers. Not everyone can look past that to enjoy the drama. And the physical abuse happened in the very first scene! I thought it would be a one-off, but no, he repetitively tried to kill her multiple times! And then the FL falls in love with him. It's not something that a lot of people can stand. What keeps me here is the excellent portrayals by the actors and that the plot is so compelling. If it were handled by less seasoned actors, I would have said sayonara by now.

I have a serious problem with a woman falling in love with a man who almost killed her three times. Stabs her. Chokes her. Poisons her. Puts honey on her body and lets ants crawl all over her body. I can understand why he did this, but I have a problem with it being romanticized on screen for fan girls to gush over. Everyone, this type of person is a RED flag and should be avoided at all costs.

The SML is not really better, yes, he's never violent to her, but he manipulates her at every turn, exposes her to danger, endangers her and traps her without allowing her to express her free will to leave and go where she wants. I don't like each of these characters even though the men playing them are hot.

The plot is quite intriguing, and in this drama, I would be okay if they just remained friends or close alliances but nothing romantic. The amount of violence in this drama exceeds what I see in most costume C-dramas. tsk tsk. But at the same time, the plot is so addictive, and the acting so good that I want to keep watching it. Jeremy Tsui has always been excellent, here he exceeds my expectation once again and is so compelling on screen. Landi Li and Ren Jua Lun are killing it as well. So I'm mesmerized.