That was freaking awesome. Youngwoo got him. That'll teach that man to never cheat again! Cheaters go to hell. Hahahah.
The kiss scene between Youngwoo and Jae Ha is so amazingly sensual. I didn't know SK put out such racy scenes with two men..
My favorite part about this movie is how we all acknowledge this relationship is WRONG! The movie in no way justifies this man cheating on his wife, and I love it. I thought I liked the fact that Youngwoo killed his wife. It's a shame she would have died, but he would have taught Jae Ha a lesson! Then when I figured out Youngwoo tricked Jae Ha, it was even better!!!! Hahahah. Cherish your wife or separate from her. Choose one.
This is so well written. I couldn't stop watching the last 15-20 minutes. So encaptivating.
not only Thai series,but another country is also doing a lot of weird BL series
I am so glad we're able to have such a civilized coversation! MDL is way better than the YouTube comment section.
I do love those happy endings, but there are plenty of Chinese and Japanese movies that are completely messed up that are good as well. I should probably just be a little kinder to the PH..
Thailand does have so much work to do with elements of homophobia and misogyny. And it's gotten to the point where I heard someone differentiate between 2gether and other Thai series. Saying 2gether is different because it has higher production value and more attention paid to the stories. They said more people need to copy what they did for 2gether.. hahah. That was so laughable. 2gether is the basic formula with Tine crushing on a girl and them both being "straight" males. Thailand does need to lighten up some.
And saying PH's culture is similar to the US is interesting to me. I guess you are right. The feeling between American stuff and Filipino stuff doesn't have so big of a vibe difference than the Phillipines and other Asian countries. The Phillipines is just the odd-ball out.
not only Thai series,but another country is also doing a lot of weird BL series
Yeah. We all have our preferences. I don't think anyone was making it a competition though. It is more like an open-discussion of comparisons.
And taking the word competition in more of an economic or creative sense, all BL shows are competing for similar audiences. They are all actually competing for views and money, so I just think it's natural that we sit down and compare them sometimes. We can be Team Thailand or Team Philippines or Team Taiwan, etc without thinking we are better than others or thinking other people suck or something like that. We just have to accept everyone and everything is different and that's okay.
And after this, this comment is very, very long. So I am putting spoiler on it because if not, it will take up the whole page. I will not be offended if you don't read it! I just enjoy articulating my thoughts and would like it if someone else read this and had something to add.
I have heard many times that Filipino BL tends to be more realistic and LGBTQ+ from many people. I may have heard you also say it on a different thread. I find that all country's have different vibes. I am confused to how much of it is the actual similarities between one country's production to another production in that same country and how much of it is my preconceived stereotypes and perceptions. Although, we all have a specific feeling when we think of a person, a food, a type of exercise, a sport, and that goes for a country as well. It is just because a country has so many more elements in it than say a piece of chocolate cake or the sport of running does, and that makes me reflect on why do some people (including myself) love some countries so much more than others.
There are more superficial reasons like you just like the way the language sounds. It can be like that. You just enjoy them speaking or maybe you have some prejudice towards people who look a certain way and think people of whatever country are more attractive. But some reasons, like the vibe I get when I watch Thai vs Filipino productions, it is very hard to say how much of what I feel is real! I am not sure myself.
I watched lots of the first PH BLs and was so excited for them. Most of them were all those quarantine ones. I really didn't like this concept and got tired of it, so maybe that ruined my thoughts towards the Philippines. Also, what you say about fairy-tale, fake productions like Thailand, yeah. I totally like that about Thailand, and I do get annoyed with engineers and pink milk sometimes, but I will honestly never get tired of it. I will watch engineers and pink milk till I die. I also love the more different stuff like Manner of Death though.
I did watch the PH production My Day that did not have many elements of the pandemic at all. However, something is still off for me. That is why I think I am truly biased because the PH could do anything, and I'd be like... ehh. I started trying to watch Gaya Sa Pelikula since yesterday, and I just confirm the vibe PH productions gives me again! I think the thing that bugs me the most is the fact they speak English, honestly. This sounds dumb to many people, but I hate hearing English while watching BL. I think that is what ruins the vibe for me. Whenever they switch to Tagalog, I feel a since of relief, and whenever they speak English I feel on edge...
Okay, I just figured out why I don't like PH BL through myself talking. I do want to get over my bias and prejudice. That is why I have tried to take up many PH shows in the hope that one will lift me off my feet and I will just love it, but I always end up dropping them because of the English. Them switching back and forth gives me anxiety and so a show would have to be very good to overpower that feeling. If I go into why I feel that way about my native language English and the only language I speak fluently.. Mmmm. I love my country (USA) and my language, but growing up I was into anime then Kpop and Kdrama and now this, that I feel listening to another language that's not mine gives me an escape, and I associate another language to an escape from my reality. The minute they start speaking English, I want to jump out the window (in the most figurative way).
For the same reason, it took me a long time to start watching Korean BLs because I actually studied a lot of Korean, so hearing Korean just felt wrong, and I am still biased towards South Korean BLs as well, but it is a lot less since I understand Korean not as well as English... Who would've thought that is the reason...
1) Someone needs to teach A Lan that, that is not love!
I really enjoyed this and found myself laughing throughout the story because A Lan is crazy. I get why the policeman stopped, but at the same time I was like, "A Lan likes it rough! Keep going!"
On a serious note, A Lan growing up gay in such a conservative community, he only could find any form of love (cuz this aint love) in all the wrong places. He was abused by those he slept with often..
However, I honestly do not think there is anything wrong with A Lan's sexual preferences. Some people like it rough (although not to the extent of getting a cigarette put out on you) just for the sake of it. A Lan's only fault is his whole obsession with the thief and jail keeper and executioner and what not.
I just find this whole film refreshing because it attempts to go after real subjects, and in my opinion it tackles them really well because I see the effects of A Lan's past on his life.
The execution of this film is great. It didn't take me long to figure out that A Lan is crazy. And the policeman is over here like, "I'LL CURE YOU!!" And I am living here because it seems the rougher you are, the more excited A Lan gets. I mean, he did say that giving in is part of love even when he doesn't like whatever he's asked initially... Policeman, you used the wrong methods.
So great movie.
Also this is probably why I enjoy RuPaul's Drag Race so much, but he looked so beautiful in women's clothes, lipstick, and that wig. It's probably just because I like men, but I enjoy seeing men in dresses so much more than seeing women in dresses. I do not understand how he became more beautiful in lipstick, a wig, and a dress. I don't even want to see him in boy clothes anymore.
I really like shows with older gay couples and especially FATHERS! I went to check and one actor may be 41 but the other is 26.. Hmmmmm. That's not older. I'll take it anyways!
not only Thai series,but another country is also doing a lot of weird BL series
Hahahah. I was thinking the Philippines but I wanted them to say it first. I feel like a hater of the PH because I am never interested in their stuff at all. I don't know why, but I still sit through all the sub-par Thai stuff. Makes me feel like I am biased towards Thailand.
BEWARE: Long Comment, Spoils most major plot points.
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This story is weird for me. I find that I don't really like either Jamie or Kevin. It's clear this movie was supposed to be one moment in time of their lives. That's why the ending is ambiguous.
I like indie films like this because they're raw in emotion. The characters never say their feelings in words. You're just supposed to infer them. This movie tries to tackle themes of internalized homophobia, maybe depression, and AIDS a little as well.
I found the film didn't teach anything. It really ended where it started.
Kevin had a bunch of unprotected sex with random men because Jamie rejected him which may be linked to his depression (?). I wouldn't be surprised if anyone did what he did with or without depression, but it's unclear how his depression affects his life other than it just seems to mess his life up.
Kevin gives up on his HIV antibody and syphilis test before the doctor draws his blood. He's out the door.
It's clear Jamie suffers from internalized homophobia. Whenever Jamie realizes he still has strong feelings for Kevin, he proposes to his girlfriend.. This coping method is beyond me..
Kevin is a teacher, and he uses his student, a minor (or a boy who recently turned 18, we don't know his age) to make Jamie jealous. When that boy ran away from Kevin and told him that he's horrible, I thought to myself, "Wow this boy is much more mature than you Kevin." Good thing Kevin quit his job! I know that boy, Fai, wouldn't have reported him but Kevin deserves to be fired for having any type of romantic relations with Fai. Disgusting.
What can I say.. I find the scene at the end where Jamie runs up to Kevin and kisses him reductive. Like.. didn't you just get engaged? You can't tell your fiancee to not leave and Kevin to not leave.. You have to pick one. If you want, have your internalized homophobia, whatever.. But leave Kevin alone. Seriously. He probably has HIV and is about to give it to you. Stop taking out your self-hatred on other people....
And maybe everything I'm saying is besides the point. Maybe the movie is just supposed to show two messed up people and that's the whole point. But isn't it supposed to have some type of silver-lining or give me a takeaway? Like I have nothing to takeaway from this movie. Maybe I am supposed to take away, "Life is difficult sometimes"??
Oh. And also. I don't hate the movie. I am just very critical!! I think it's an okay movie. 7/10. Great cinematography, ambience, vibe.. I can see the effort and direction put into each scene. Every scene conveys a unique emotion. It's great artistically in a more aesthetic way..
But as far as value, I don't get any value of this. The movie didn't devastate me into gratitude or depress me into melancholy. I just feel like.. "Man. This story is messed up!" It had very few moments of true beauty. What are my criteria of beauty? Realistic, well-thought-out moments that strike a cord in my heart. This falls short at no cords stricken...
Really. All the BS they made up about Wayu and Thanu in the past is inaccurate because we all know Wayo and Pha's…
I guess you are right I should be less judgey towards Thanu. But he is jumping back and forth between Phai and Wayu knowing they both have feelings or are developing feelings for him. For me it is just hard to watch because I feel like he will hurt both of them no matter who he ends up with or if he ends up with one of them.
The links below don't work anymore, but I actually found this on Amazon Prime. I'm really pleased with the prevalence of gay content out there for me to find and just neeevverr stop watching. There is always more.
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The kiss scene between Youngwoo and Jae Ha is so amazingly sensual. I didn't know SK put out such racy scenes with two men..
My favorite part about this movie is how we all acknowledge this relationship is WRONG! The movie in no way justifies this man cheating on his wife, and I love it. I thought I liked the fact that Youngwoo killed his wife. It's a shame she would have died, but he would have taught Jae Ha a lesson! Then when I figured out Youngwoo tricked Jae Ha, it was even better!!!! Hahahah. Cherish your wife or separate from her. Choose one.
This is so well written. I couldn't stop watching the last 15-20 minutes. So encaptivating.
I do love those happy endings, but there are plenty of Chinese and Japanese movies that are completely messed up that are good as well. I should probably just be a little kinder to the PH..
Thailand does have so much work to do with elements of homophobia and misogyny. And it's gotten to the point where I heard someone differentiate between 2gether and other Thai series. Saying 2gether is different because it has higher production value and more attention paid to the stories. They said more people need to copy what they did for 2gether.. hahah. That was so laughable. 2gether is the basic formula with Tine crushing on a girl and them both being "straight" males. Thailand does need to lighten up some.
And saying PH's culture is similar to the US is interesting to me. I guess you are right. The feeling between American stuff and Filipino stuff doesn't have so big of a vibe difference than the Phillipines and other Asian countries. The Phillipines is just the odd-ball out.
And taking the word competition in more of an economic or creative sense, all BL shows are competing for similar audiences. They are all actually competing for views and money, so I just think it's natural that we sit down and compare them sometimes. We can be Team Thailand or Team Philippines or Team Taiwan, etc without thinking we are better than others or thinking other people suck or something like that. We just have to accept everyone and everything is different and that's okay.
And after this, this comment is very, very long. So I am putting spoiler on it because if not, it will take up the whole page. I will not be offended if you don't read it! I just enjoy articulating my thoughts and would like it if someone else read this and had something to add.
I have heard many times that Filipino BL tends to be more realistic and LGBTQ+ from many people. I may have heard you also say it on a different thread. I find that all country's have different vibes. I am confused to how much of it is the actual similarities between one country's production to another production in that same country and how much of it is my preconceived stereotypes and perceptions. Although, we all have a specific feeling when we think of a person, a food, a type of exercise, a sport, and that goes for a country as well. It is just because a country has so many more elements in it than say a piece of chocolate cake or the sport of running does, and that makes me reflect on why do some people (including myself) love some countries so much more than others.
There are more superficial reasons like you just like the way the language sounds. It can be like that. You just enjoy them speaking or maybe you have some prejudice towards people who look a certain way and think people of whatever country are more attractive. But some reasons, like the vibe I get when I watch Thai vs Filipino productions, it is very hard to say how much of what I feel is real! I am not sure myself.
I watched lots of the first PH BLs and was so excited for them. Most of them were all those quarantine ones. I really didn't like this concept and got tired of it, so maybe that ruined my thoughts towards the Philippines. Also, what you say about fairy-tale, fake productions like Thailand, yeah. I totally like that about Thailand, and I do get annoyed with engineers and pink milk sometimes, but I will honestly never get tired of it. I will watch engineers and pink milk till I die. I also love the more different stuff like Manner of Death though.
I did watch the PH production My Day that did not have many elements of the pandemic at all. However, something is still off for me. That is why I think I am truly biased because the PH could do anything, and I'd be like... ehh. I started trying to watch Gaya Sa Pelikula since yesterday, and I just confirm the vibe PH productions gives me again! I think the thing that bugs me the most is the fact they speak English, honestly. This sounds dumb to many people, but I hate hearing English while watching BL. I think that is what ruins the vibe for me. Whenever they switch to Tagalog, I feel a since of relief, and whenever they speak English I feel on edge...
Okay, I just figured out why I don't like PH BL through myself talking. I do want to get over my bias and prejudice. That is why I have tried to take up many PH shows in the hope that one will lift me off my feet and I will just love it, but I always end up dropping them because of the English. Them switching back and forth gives me anxiety and so a show would have to be very good to overpower that feeling. If I go into why I feel that way about my native language English and the only language I speak fluently.. Mmmm. I love my country (USA) and my language, but growing up I was into anime then Kpop and Kdrama and now this, that I feel listening to another language that's not mine gives me an escape, and I associate another language to an escape from my reality. The minute they start speaking English, I want to jump out the window (in the most figurative way).
For the same reason, it took me a long time to start watching Korean BLs because I actually studied a lot of Korean, so hearing Korean just felt wrong, and I am still biased towards South Korean BLs as well, but it is a lot less since I understand Korean not as well as English... Who would've thought that is the reason...
Okay.. I'll write again. (:
1) Someone needs to teach A Lan that, that is not love!
I really enjoyed this and found myself laughing throughout the story because A Lan is crazy. I get why the policeman stopped, but at the same time I was like, "A Lan likes it rough! Keep going!"
On a serious note, A Lan growing up gay in such a conservative community, he only could find any form of love (cuz this aint love) in all the wrong places. He was abused by those he slept with often..
However, I honestly do not think there is anything wrong with A Lan's sexual preferences. Some people like it rough (although not to the extent of getting a cigarette put out on you) just for the sake of it. A Lan's only fault is his whole obsession with the thief and jail keeper and executioner and what not.
I just find this whole film refreshing because it attempts to go after real subjects, and in my opinion it tackles them really well because I see the effects of A Lan's past on his life.
The execution of this film is great. It didn't take me long to figure out that A Lan is crazy. And the policeman is over here like, "I'LL CURE YOU!!" And I am living here because it seems the rougher you are, the more excited A Lan gets. I mean, he did say that giving in is part of love even when he doesn't like whatever he's asked initially... Policeman, you used the wrong methods.
So great movie.
Also this is probably why I enjoy RuPaul's Drag Race so much, but he looked so beautiful in women's clothes, lipstick, and that wig. It's probably just because I like men, but I enjoy seeing men in dresses so much more than seeing women in dresses. I do not understand how he became more beautiful in lipstick, a wig, and a dress. I don't even want to see him in boy clothes anymore.
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This story is weird for me. I find that I don't really like either Jamie or Kevin. It's clear this movie was supposed to be one moment in time of their lives. That's why the ending is ambiguous.
I like indie films like this because they're raw in emotion. The characters never say their feelings in words. You're just supposed to infer them. This movie tries to tackle themes of internalized homophobia, maybe depression, and AIDS a little as well.
I found the film didn't teach anything. It really ended where it started.
Kevin had a bunch of unprotected sex with random men because Jamie rejected him which may be linked to his depression (?). I wouldn't be surprised if anyone did what he did with or without depression, but it's unclear how his depression affects his life other than it just seems to mess his life up.
Kevin gives up on his HIV antibody and syphilis test before the doctor draws his blood. He's out the door.
It's clear Jamie suffers from internalized homophobia. Whenever Jamie realizes he still has strong feelings for Kevin, he proposes to his girlfriend.. This coping method is beyond me..
Kevin is a teacher, and he uses his student, a minor (or a boy who recently turned 18, we don't know his age) to make Jamie jealous. When that boy ran away from Kevin and told him that he's horrible, I thought to myself, "Wow this boy is much more mature than you Kevin." Good thing Kevin quit his job! I know that boy, Fai, wouldn't have reported him but Kevin deserves to be fired for having any type of romantic relations with Fai. Disgusting.
What can I say.. I find the scene at the end where Jamie runs up to Kevin and kisses him reductive. Like.. didn't you just get engaged? You can't tell your fiancee to not leave and Kevin to not leave.. You have to pick one. If you want, have your internalized homophobia, whatever.. But leave Kevin alone. Seriously. He probably has HIV and is about to give it to you. Stop taking out your self-hatred on other people....
And maybe everything I'm saying is besides the point. Maybe the movie is just supposed to show two messed up people and that's the whole point. But isn't it supposed to have some type of silver-lining or give me a takeaway? Like I have nothing to takeaway from this movie. Maybe I am supposed to take away, "Life is difficult sometimes"??
Oh. And also. I don't hate the movie. I am just very critical!! I think it's an okay movie. 7/10. Great cinematography, ambience, vibe.. I can see the effort and direction put into each scene. Every scene conveys a unique emotion. It's great artistically in a more aesthetic way..
But as far as value, I don't get any value of this. The movie didn't devastate me into gratitude or depress me into melancholy. I just feel like.. "Man. This story is messed up!" It had very few moments of true beauty. What are my criteria of beauty? Realistic, well-thought-out moments that strike a cord in my heart. This falls short at no cords stricken...