TopGuy1971

Some shows are like that.
That's why I try to withhold judgement until it gets further along.
I actually had very low expectations for this show, but I decided to watch anyway.
Also, I really didn't care for the initial actions of Haram, but after the 3rd episode I am starting to think it could be a decent show.
So I will continue to watch it.

There is some decent chemistry.
As for love, I don't believe in love at first sight...but I do believe in 'like'. And like can turn into love, so yeah, I don't think it's childish just because he likes a guy who helped him when he was feeling exceedingly nervous.
And yes, the 'hate' is irrational. They must really secretly love it to spend so much time talking about it.

We will have to agree to disagree.
It's not about lowering standards, it's about understanding the situation.
If you don't like it, then don't watch it. Especially since you think it's not very good.
Very simple.
Why someone would spend so much time bashing on shows they claim not to like from the first couple of episodes is truly perplexing.

Not just this one. I've been noticing a trend, certain people who watch an episode or a couple episodes and then come here to the forums to bash the shows.

Everyone knows that BLs are almost always shot with:
- a low budget
- usually new actors
- some logic issues on the scripts(often because of the budget)

Although I would love to have them get the budget to work out those script issues and do the extra takes to make it perfect, it isn't practical.

These issues are usually out of the control of the content creators. Otherwise you wouldn't see so much product placement in BLs!

So I'm thinking....if they don't like BL or romance why are they even watching? If they want something super polished, they should go support them financially so they can actually do that.

I try not to feed the trolls though. (It would just encourage them.)

Ahhh if only he had managed to get a series out of those "KA Thailand" commercials he did with 'First Kanaphan Puitrakul' !

Agreed.
I LIKE the episode length to be longer than the little 20 minute episodes done by a lot of others.

If it's too long for them then they can cut it into 7 parts and just watch a little bit a day! LoL

Yes, I like it too.
4 of 8 episodes aired....so naturally there is gonna be a twist somewhere.

BOTH have issues.
And I like BOTH!

They didn't say (at least they didn't translate it if they did....).
He didn't seem to be the type to wear and return, I think he may have simply missed taking off that tag.
I've had that happen before, remove one tag but there was another one hidden away...
Ultimately I think it was just a mechanism to show that he was 'optimistic/eager' for the date so he bought a new jacket.

Yes, he deserves every stomp/slap!
But Jun does need knocked out of that mindset... not sure it was the best way to go about it though.

It involves an ear kiss.

Yes I was wondering if that was going to happen as well. Korean BLs have been very hit or miss on the intimacy issue (mostly miss!)
So it is always good to see it portrayed in a more realistic manner.

Reminded me a bit of 'Long Time No See' in that aspect. :)

That is what one should be like for sure! (I won't mention the series that really upset me when portraying this aspect because I would end up on a big rant).

LoL.

Controlling emotions and not jumping to conclusions.

That's something that is very difficult for a lot of people to do (controlling emotions and not jumping to conclusions I mean).

This is a cultural thing....
My understanding is tootsie is a femme gay man who may or may not cross dress.
But bear in mind that I'm not Thai and I'm mostly guessing based on things like 'Diary of Tootsies' ( https://kisskh.at/16679-diary-of-tootsies ) and related shows.

For Kathoey it seems to be transgender? And are seen as being a 3rd gender in Thailand. (Also known as a ladyboy)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathoey

Ultimately I think it boils down to having specific words to denote masculine/effeminate gay men based on where they view themselves on the spectrum.

Also, I do NOT know if it's considered to be 'polite' to use those terms if you are not a member of the 'community'. For example, before being reclaimed the word 'queer' was very derogatory.

So maybe someone who knows can chime in on whether those are considered to be derogatory terms when said by those outside the community.

I barely recognized Up when he showed up (the actor playing Put). And yeah, I think he's there for drama.

To be clear I'm not saying that Up is in any way less attractive...just looked a little different from when he was in Lovely Writer. :)

Yeah, I believe that there is a writing problem in some of these parts. Honestly I could do with a bit less focus on the office environment, but I guess that's part of their story.

To be fair though, I've seen other non-BL Thai shows, the writing quality TENDS (not always) to be on the poorer side from a western viewpoint. This may simply be cultural differences or something 'lost in translation'.

I think that it is important to remember that for those of us who do NOT speak Thai, we are really at the mercy of whoever translates the series, if they are not able to communicate it completely and accurately then it will definitely impact our perception of the story, the acting, writing, etc... this is why I tend to be more lenient on shows that are not in my native language (English).

For those who are waiting on episode 4 part 1 to be subtitled, I just noticed that it has subs now on YouTube.

@Claddagh I just checked, they are on 4.1 now.