I can understand the plot-point of why they wanted to include A-Shui. The primary problem for the characterisation…
My friends who watched this (male and female) all reckon A-Shui's characterisation is weak. They balked at her prominent scenes being solely for Tang Lici while totally disempowering her individuality and what she was supposed to represent. The end result was they couldn't even recommend her as a female character to others and wondered about her relevance to this drama, despite all her other subtle contributions and indirect help. Having watched enough C-Ent, the first priorities are plot plus characterisation, not romance (unless it is a xianxia romantic KISS drama ie keep-it-simple-commercial, then that is different whereby you can get high chances of success for a specific audience).
A-Shui would have benefitted from having iconic scenes, and three scenes I would have instituted would cement "family" and "home" plus her ability with words and how similar she is to someone while preserving her individuality and gentle strength. This would in turn naturally strengthen the possibility of Tang Lici having a stronger emotional reaction in episodes 34 and 35 to her as more than platonic rather than his reactions being minimally reactive. Which people does he lose his cool with? Which people does he shed tears for? My suggestions would definitely shorten Lin Yun's screentime, but screentime doesn't correlate to impact of a character.
As a result after 40 episodes, if someone asks about romance between Tang Lici and any female roles here, I refuse to claim there is a CP otherwise it is dishonest and misleading.
Tang Lici holds true to his character after fully comprehending the seven emotions, to fully embody the most noble forms of love. Tang Lici also has chemistry with everyone, so you can ship whoever you please. Bromance, yes, because the story does not deny Tang Lici's ties to Zhoudi Lou and the impact of that place on his life and choices. Throughout 40 episodes, the directors skilfully walked a thin line of catering to three factions including the no-romance faction. If you want reciprocal confirmed two-sided romance, this is not it. But if you use your imagination after seeing some scenes for that kind of romance, that will have to suffice.
Tang Lici and everyone gets a happy ending, from my POV in line with the Buddhist themes and understanding of Tang Lici's character. Unless you want spoilers for a more exact opinion, that's all I can say.
Why is A Shei even a role feel like Zhong Chunji is good enough
I can understand the plot-point of why they wanted to include A-Shui. The primary problem for the characterisation of A-Shui arises from wanting to accommodate a barely-there romance easily perceived as one-sided. I would have swapped out certain scenes of A-Shui for different scenes of A-Shui, whereby A-Shui's soothing calm and intelligence and ability with words to encourage the team plus a certain little boy would have strengthened her characterisation. She is not supposed to fight. She could embody other forms of love with her words and interactions, such as cementing family and friendship. When characterisation is strong, a character becomes memorable and also strengthens the overall plot.
There's three examples I could think of pertaining to A-Shui, which would actually cement what the directors were going for by episode 35. If I'm not wrong, Kwanto mentioned that in December 2023, the plot was heroism-focused. The MangoTV trailer of this drama that I watched in April 2024 also gave me the same impression.
A-Shui is an apt example of why characterisation should be favoured over romance, when this is an adventure-focused story with multiple themes about Tang Lici understanding the seven emotions. There are many forms of love, and he grasps the most important forms so he can truly embody the most noble form of love without running away. Romance is not on that list of most important forms of love.
Scenes total worth of two episodes were removed from the Tianren realm, I need a Tianren realm spin off, I need…
That sucks.
I was discussing with someone elsewhere about how the earlier episodes could have been improved. There are specific episodes I would have restructured within 21 episodes, removed the one-sided barely-there romance where Tang Lici shows minimal reactions in order to strengthen certain characterisations including a certain female character whose portrayal appears weak (several people conveyed that they think her existence isn't necessary but I believe with different scenes, would have strengthened her presence to really cement a certain impact by episode 35), and would definitely be able to include one episode or more of the Celestial Realm so we get the necessary of Ye Mo and Bai Nanzhu.
Even if her foster father is a puppet, she is human. She will feel for someone who brought her up and in his own…
Even though she has a rather evil heart, she still shows her humanity by wanting to free her foster father. But when she speaks of freedom, he already decided he would kill her. Oddly enough, I used a towel a lot more over Shao Yanping than Chi Yun, although both of them created a lot of emotional sand in my eyes.
Please consider writing a review, which I and others have done so. And share the love <33
One could say Ding Yi has a crush or feels strong emotions for Zhang Tian Ai's character, but it's questionable if she feels the same way because of her beliefs. She has very good rapport with the two MLs from a non-platonic angle.
Wait, what is going on? International fans aren't really aware of weibo stuff... Is there a summary? 🙏
Thank you for sharing. This entire thing is nuts. No ML or FL would have been happy to see this drama airing in such a manner that saw their hard work being wrongly perceived.
Only confirms the CEO Producer and his production house intentionally planned in an unacceptable manner on how to milk and scalp the ML and FL.
Ok 38 was heartbreaking but livable. My heart hurts for CY and TLC. Other than FZ and LY, CY was his younger brother.…
Even if her foster father is a puppet, she is human. She will feel for someone who brought her up and in his own twisted way, protected her from what would befall a lot of females but only because she was also very capable.
She's a villainess, and she will get the end she deserves. But even in her shades of grey, somewhere in there, what Puzhu touched in her with his gestures and words that people can deem as foolish is enough to help her make a certain decision at the end, thereby also changing what happens.
Scenes total worth of two episodes were removed from the Tianren realm, I need a Tianren realm spin off, I need…
If they had altered three episodes which would have been doable, there would have been more of the Celestial Realm plus strengthening of certain supporting cast characters. Maybe ask for a bonus episode? Hope they will listen to the fans?
Is there romance in this? If so who are the partners?
Tang Lici needs to understand love, and there are many forms of love whereby the drama wants him to grasp the most crucial forms for his story. This drama catered to three different factions (including the no-romance faction), and the producers walked a very thin line well for the most part. I have finished all 40 episodes and if you are hoping for romance, specifically two-way mutual romance between the male lead and female characters, you will have to squint very hard and use your imagination otherwise your expectations will be wrong.
To say "no romance" is a fair comment. But if you use your imagination with what you watch, you can definitely find a ship because Tang Lici has chemistry with many characters.
That's good to know but what about romance? Is there romance between the all main leads?
Tang Lici needs to understand love, and there are many forms of love whereby the drama wants him to grasp the most crucial forms for his story. This drama catered to three different factions (including the no-romance faction), and the producers walked a very thin line well for the most part. If you are hoping for romance, specifically two-way mutual romance between the male lead and female characters, you will have to squint very hard and use your imagination otherwise your expectations will be wrong. To say "no romance" is a fair comment.
The ending was indeed dissapointing. I am a clear observer here. I want to ask :Was this show negative n Tragic…
The ending is either happy or sad or acceptable to different viewers. A happy ending or good ending is what one makes of it.
My view is that for those who have a background of understanding or strong background in Buddhism, this ending is a happy ending that is good. To break the cycle of rebirth, to change one's origins and destiny and truly achieve the necessary for others- I know I'm not alone in this view, but once again, this has to do with the background. Episode 8 was not merely conversations between Tang Lici and Puzhu, but it's hard to accurately translate when "our paths are different" in translation from five words of Mandarin isn't referring to a journey in subtitles of other languages but certain specific fundamental values found in Daoism and Buddhism. The Buddhism aspects are strong in that episode.
In terms of negativity, given how the ML suffers alongside new joys and all the foreshadowing about his journey and character whereby he doesn't give up on people across the first twenty episodes alone = I only expected one ending.
A good or great drama makes people emotional. I wouldn't go as far as to claim the creative team disrespected viewers, and that viewers feel cheated and disappointed, but you are clearly posting while high on emotions which the drama has managed to evoke for you. Sorry to know you felt very upset over the ending. I hope you will feel better soon enough.
Hope they're just get out from this page and don't shitting this drama.BL fans are more sane bcs they're discussing…
I have two questions on this subject:
1) suzuko_d_law's account is new. She seems to be very triggered by how Bao Shang En's role Zhong Chunji has been bashed to the point that it extends to the actress, and I can see how the level of uncalled-for sniping plus nastiness of several days triggered her reactions, whereby I mentioned two MDL users who are most likely the cause of her ire. Those two also likely inspired a lot of private reactions of being ignored by other viewers. Is your reply above extended to suzuko_d_law's account and if so, why?
2) I only joined this page when this drama started airing. As such, if there is some major backstory involving multiple users (as your comment conveys) of blatant hate and misinformation against a specific actress you back, are the MDL users you are referring to still bashing and/or undercutting Lin Yun publicly on this MDL page ever since the drama aired, as per your claims?
I'm asking this out of curiosity because as far I am concerned, whoever likes whatever ship is fine by me and that's what this drama seems to encourage with its vagueness. How each of you wishes to express yourselves is up to you. There are a fair number of viewers who come to this page during or after the drama airs. As such, we are not aware of any backstory between any users.
However, I have no interest in being used by anybody who wants to settle any beef with someone else. Furthermore, I believe the majority of newcomers to this page are not interested in shipping wars. Whatever happened between users on this page before this drama aired, it is best to draw a line where applicable, even if it includes potentially ignoring each other.
Perhaps someone can talk to suzuko_d_law by DM and settle the waters of whatever grievances that account has.
I'm sorry to hear you feel aggrieved about Lin Yun and her role in this drama. I also hope you will feel better about her overall, should you finish watching this drama.
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A-Shui would have benefitted from having iconic scenes, and three scenes I would have instituted would cement "family" and "home" plus her ability with words and how similar she is to someone while preserving her individuality and gentle strength. This would in turn naturally strengthen the possibility of Tang Lici having a stronger emotional reaction in episodes 34 and 35 to her as more than platonic rather than his reactions being minimally reactive. Which people does he lose his cool with? Which people does he shed tears for? My suggestions would definitely shorten Lin Yun's screentime, but screentime doesn't correlate to impact of a character.
As a result after 40 episodes, if someone asks about romance between Tang Lici and any female roles here, I refuse to claim there is a CP otherwise it is dishonest and misleading.
Tang Lici and everyone gets a happy ending, from my POV in line with the Buddhist themes and understanding of Tang Lici's character. Unless you want spoilers for a more exact opinion, that's all I can say.
This post by RBF from 2023 has spoilers, while explaining a very important concept about Tang Lici: https://kisskh.at/discussions/shui-long-yin/121095-sly-art-poster-analysis-slight-spoilers?pid=2851189&page=1#p2851189
There's three examples I could think of pertaining to A-Shui, which would actually cement what the directors were going for by episode 35. If I'm not wrong, Kwanto mentioned that in December 2023, the plot was heroism-focused. The MangoTV trailer of this drama that I watched in April 2024 also gave me the same impression.
A-Shui is an apt example of why characterisation should be favoured over romance, when this is an adventure-focused story with multiple themes about Tang Lici understanding the seven emotions. There are many forms of love, and he grasps the most important forms so he can truly embody the most noble form of love without running away. Romance is not on that list of most important forms of love.
I was discussing with someone elsewhere about how the earlier episodes could have been improved. There are specific episodes I would have restructured within 21 episodes, removed the one-sided barely-there romance where Tang Lici shows minimal reactions in order to strengthen certain characterisations including a certain female character whose portrayal appears weak (several people conveyed that they think her existence isn't necessary but I believe with different scenes, would have strengthened her presence to really cement a certain impact by episode 35), and would definitely be able to include one episode or more of the Celestial Realm so we get the necessary of Ye Mo and Bai Nanzhu.
Mandarin-speakers who completely understand the wuxia tropes will definitely have a blast. Makes me wish for more C-Drama wuxia comedies!
Only confirms the CEO Producer and his production house intentionally planned in an unacceptable manner on how to milk and scalp the ML and FL.
She's a villainess, and she will get the end she deserves. But even in her shades of grey, somewhere in there, what Puzhu touched in her with his gestures and words that people can deem as foolish is enough to help her make a certain decision at the end, thereby also changing what happens.
To say "no romance" is a fair comment. But if you use your imagination with what you watch, you can definitely find a ship because Tang Lici has chemistry with many characters.
My view is that for those who have a background of understanding or strong background in Buddhism, this ending is a happy ending that is good. To break the cycle of rebirth, to change one's origins and destiny and truly achieve the necessary for others- I know I'm not alone in this view, but once again, this has to do with the background. Episode 8 was not merely conversations between Tang Lici and Puzhu, but it's hard to accurately translate when "our paths are different" in translation from five words of Mandarin isn't referring to a journey in subtitles of other languages but certain specific fundamental values found in Daoism and Buddhism. The Buddhism aspects are strong in that episode.
In terms of negativity, given how the ML suffers alongside new joys and all the foreshadowing about his journey and character whereby he doesn't give up on people across the first twenty episodes alone = I only expected one ending.
A good or great drama makes people emotional. I wouldn't go as far as to claim the creative team disrespected viewers, and that viewers feel cheated and disappointed, but you are clearly posting while high on emotions which the drama has managed to evoke for you. Sorry to know you felt very upset over the ending. I hope you will feel better soon enough.
Maybe someone could do an equivalent of this reddit thread on this drama page, for the latest figures. Would be very interesting.
Will post a compilation today in the discussion thread.
1) suzuko_d_law's account is new. She seems to be very triggered by how Bao Shang En's role Zhong Chunji has been bashed to the point that it extends to the actress, and I can see how the level of uncalled-for sniping plus nastiness of several days triggered her reactions, whereby I mentioned two MDL users who are most likely the cause of her ire. Those two also likely inspired a lot of private reactions of being ignored by other viewers. Is your reply above extended to suzuko_d_law's account and if so, why?
2) I only joined this page when this drama started airing. As such, if there is some major backstory involving multiple users (as your comment conveys) of blatant hate and misinformation against a specific actress you back, are the MDL users you are referring to still bashing and/or undercutting Lin Yun publicly on this MDL page ever since the drama aired, as per your claims?
I'm asking this out of curiosity because as far I am concerned, whoever likes whatever ship is fine by me and that's what this drama seems to encourage with its vagueness. How each of you wishes to express yourselves is up to you. There are a fair number of viewers who come to this page during or after the drama airs. As such, we are not aware of any backstory between any users.
However, I have no interest in being used by anybody who wants to settle any beef with someone else. Furthermore, I believe the majority of newcomers to this page are not interested in shipping wars. Whatever happened between users on this page before this drama aired, it is best to draw a line where applicable, even if it includes potentially ignoring each other.
Perhaps someone can talk to suzuko_d_law by DM and settle the waters of whatever grievances that account has.
I'm sorry to hear you feel aggrieved about Lin Yun and her role in this drama. I also hope you will feel better about her overall, should you finish watching this drama.