Maybe. Maybe not. Firstly, how did Liu Yan know about the tattoo to do on Zhong Chunji? Xifang Tao is definitely…
When Love and Destiny aired in 2019, they released more than 40 episodes. It was necessary to accommodate a very good C-Drama and strong ensemble cast.
Fang Zhou cannot come back. Bringing the dead back to life is not possible. But Tang Lici would try, because of who he is and what he believes he can achieve and what Fang Zhou did for him. What I observed about drama-Tang Lici ever since the first flashbacks at Zhoudi Lou is that he doesn't seem to understand emotions while being very truamatised.
This had me questioning the extent of his emotional maturity throughout this drama, meaning Tang Lici is emotionally developed to deal with evil and other nasties but when it comes to emotional maturity of romantic relationships or non-platonic love, he seemed to be lacking in that department because of his origins and how he lived, until he met Fang Zhou. I thought that because of his race, he wasn't emotionally mature as per the natural developments of their race, as in I thought he was literally an infant or little child under the age of 5, when it came to stage of emotional development when he met Fang Zhou. This is crucial to the drama-Tang Lici we are seeing: He can grasp intellectual necessities but when it comes to the finer mature nuances, Shen Langhun runs circles around him.
A HE for everyone is possible, but unfortunately it means our ML won't make it. I would like my HE for Tang Lici, but I'm sure they didn't film that as one of the possible endings. The cat had better get a happy ending, after living with Gui Mudan!
any_anka and I were having some discussions here about different characters, which became a thread of several replies:
I also included cultural references to some details in earlier episodes, since at least one f-lister appreciates my summaries for the finer details of say, Chan Buddhism pertaining to Master Puzhu. Maybe take a look :). It won't spoil you since you are already at a specific episode.
Maybe. Maybe not. Firstly, how did Liu Yan know about the tattoo to do on Zhong Chunji? Xifang Tao is definitely…
We have less than ten episodes left, and I'm a bit nervous as to how they are going to get everything in. Theories are always fun! I wonder how Liu Yan found Gui Mudan. Or did Gui Mudan find him?
I also wonder which ending we're going with. Frankly, I want Tang Lici to adopt Gui Mudan's cat and be happy in a house, surviving any final battles to do Jianghu things and be with his friends. But then again, given the sacrificial messages throughout this whole drama... I am putting a towel on standby.
Maybe. Maybe not. Firstly, how did Liu Yan know about the tattoo to do on Zhong Chunji? Xifang Tao is definitely…
Glad to hear! It's hard enough for people without decent translations and even the translations leave things out at times. What are you using, if it isn't MangoTV or IQiyi?
It's not a justification of what is happening, neither does it excuse the individual from their actions. Offline, why people with certain conditions do certain things is not easy or possible to understand unless one has insight into their condition. I've also had to deal with narcissists, and many people believe narcissists are only the covert or overt aggressive types who cannot help themselves. That's also not true. However, understanding where they come from ie what is affecting them is the key to any actual change.
Mental health issues can be stigmatised greatly, depending where one is from. It is a fact that people with mental health issues of a certain self-awareness refuse to confide in people who are loud-mouthed judgmental turn-offs. And since this is an ancient setting, there's no therapist (although Shen Langhun looks like he's well on his way to being highly suitable for such a job in the pugilistic world).
I've just finished the episode and have the same thoughts. God, I've probably never seen an actor sob like that…
He outdid himself in the tears department for this drama. Between restraint and rawness and all else in-between, I can't see anyone else being Tang Lici except him.
If only Immortality would see the light sometime within the next two years- I have sadly given up hope on that drama.
[DON'T SPOIL TO ME IF THEY ALREADY REVEALED IT, I'M ONLY ON EP 29]So... what if the actual princess is Xi Fangtao?…
Maybe. Maybe not. Firstly, how did Liu Yan know about the tattoo to do on Zhong Chunji? Xifang Tao is definitely not the type to allow men to know something so intimate about herself, if she is the princess. Unless it is someone who brought her up.
Either Gui Mudan revealed something about Xifang Tao (if the princess is Xifang Tao) to Liu Yan and/or Liu Yan knows because it is another female who wouldn't mind Liu Yan knowing the details of such a tattoo.
Im huge fan of Alens!!! Im here for him! Hes great in this drama! Really showing hus acting abilities! Hes knocking…
In episode 15, Qiaoyi Qiankun confessed to killing Gui Fusheng who was ranked above him as the greatest puppet master and craftsman of mechanisms.
In order to persuade Qiaoyi Qiankun to help in his plans, Liu Yan suggested that the best way for Qiaoyi Qiankun to surpass Gui Fusheng was to destroy all his works, especially the Palace of Fallen Jade which Liu Yan claims was the most special creation of Gui Fusheng.
Im huge fan of Alens!!! Im here for him! Hes great in this drama! Really showing hus acting abilities! Hes knocking…
Alen Fang maintains tension and intensity very well with different characters such as Fang Pingzhai (Riley Wang's character), Zhong Chunji (Bao Shang'en's character) and of course, Tang Lici. No one gets to Liu Yan like Tang Lici and Fang Zhou. Liu Yan and Tang Lici have a certain push-pull vibe (especially when you get to episode 27). And wait till you see Liu Yan's interaction with Qiaoyi Qiankun (coming up soon)!
The cat and Xiao Xuefu have the highest chances of survival at this point. By that logic, I'll have the best chances of survival in the drama as Shao Yanping's pet fly. I might have to prepare beer for the final 6 episodes of this drama, because I don't know exactly what will happen.
Meanwhile, I reckon this discussion on multiple aspects of WoF in the same thread might interest you (don't worry, no spoilers that will bite you):
Actually, I don't think this drama has a female lead per se. If we talk love interest, out of all three main female…
Before we get to a potential romance between Master Puzhu and Xifang Tao, what I find interesting (as was discussed with another viewer) was the special bond they have developed. Xifang Tao (who is totally different from novel-Xifang Tao) has trust issues and men issues, and to finally encounter someone who is willing to trust her and believe in her, someone she can rely upon as a friend, who isn't trying to take advantage of her or want anything from her... Master Puzhu is definitely breaching her emotional and psychological defenses, because he is coming across as someone who could be an actual true reliable male friend and equal. When playing Go, players get to understand how each other will think (if both sides are honest). Xifang Tao would grasp his character.
I just posted a comment up-top asking where are the fans of Alen Fang, Xiao Shunyao and Ao Ziyi. It would be great to hear from and share perspectives. That's why this is a drama page, for discussion. The drama pages for Fated Hearts and Mobius continue to flourish until today, because people discuss or reveal what they think about many different things for the respective dramas beyond romance. They are very enjoyable pages of maturity and fun.
Novel readers could ship Tang Lici with Fang Zhou or with Liu Yan, because that makes the most sense given what was in the novel (at one point to protect Liu Yan, Tang Lici hurls A-Shui to take the full impact of something very unpleasant. This will never make it into the drama, including other instances where I don't approve of how Tang Lici treated A-Shui. To say Tang Lici was in love with A-Shui in the novel is quite a stretch).
In episode 27 when the dragons of Liu Yan and Tang Lici were intertwining, I was going "HOKAY" *coughs dualcultivationcoughs*, but it can still be viewed platonically.
I'm alright for everyone to ship whoever they want, but I'm not cool when someone takes my opinion to twist it into something else for their own intentions or badgers/snipes at me because I refuse to accept the opinion they are rudely shoving at me. Thank you for not doing that.
I've watched 31 episodes, and I'm well aware of my bias as a novel reader and being emotionally invested in this drama before it aired. The first ten episodes suffer from one thing: Purple prose. It can be a turn-off to some viewers. I had to persuade a non-novel reader elsewhere offline to give it 6 episodes before deciding, and that's a Luo Yunxi fan who doesn't need subtitles. Their view is valid too, when they told me their issues with the first two episodes.
If you read the reviews I write, you can see for yourself how I view structure and other technicalities in balance with emotional plot points. For viewers who prioritise structure and technicalities with no prior interests ie why should I be invested in this story and care about the ML plus supporting characters, the first ten episodes definitely have some issues with storytelling.
If you want trivia and/or cultural references, users such as kwanto and Azure are fantastically helpful to ask.
He was in this drama with Hankiz Omar whereby I thought the script and ML characterisation was too bland for his acting skills and he had no chemistry with the FL (and yes, I dropped the drama). From his comic timing in AJTL, I figured he might be able to pull off a villain role with relish instead of typical ML roles. He's definitely doing well here.
I am wondering where all the fans of Alen Fang, Xiao Shunyao and Ao Ziyi are on this page, so I finally made a new comment up-top about it.
Alen Fang is doing very well. He's proving why he deserves complex interesting roles in future dramas, by turns…
How far along are you? Sorry I missed this comment. Sometimes notifications get a bit screwy when the website becomes disruptive for me.
Ps. I just posted a new comment up-top wondering where all the fans of Alen Fang, Ao Ziyi and Xiao Shunyao are. It would be great to hear more from you!
Actually, I don't think this drama has a female lead per se. If we talk love interest, out of all three main female…
Frankly, I think if Liu Yan falls in love with you, he could be a totally healed person. You could overwhelm him with sparkles and sensible calm tenacity to wake him up. Alas, that will only remain fantasy. Liu Yan is doomed in WoF because transmigration is impossible (plus I'm not sure you want to be subjected to multiple projectile attacks while he's trying to regain his sanity).
Gui Mudan is a puppet and only that cat will do for him.
I won't be using a towel for Liu Yan. But it will still be sad nevertheless.
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Fang Zhou cannot come back. Bringing the dead back to life is not possible. But Tang Lici would try, because of who he is and what he believes he can achieve and what Fang Zhou did for him. What I observed about drama-Tang Lici ever since the first flashbacks at Zhoudi Lou is that he doesn't seem to understand emotions while being very truamatised.
This had me questioning the extent of his emotional maturity throughout this drama, meaning Tang Lici is emotionally developed to deal with evil and other nasties but when it comes to emotional maturity of romantic relationships or non-platonic love, he seemed to be lacking in that department because of his origins and how he lived, until he met Fang Zhou. I thought that because of his race, he wasn't emotionally mature as per the natural developments of their race, as in I thought he was literally an infant or little child under the age of 5, when it came to stage of emotional development when he met Fang Zhou. This is crucial to the drama-Tang Lici we are seeing: He can grasp intellectual necessities but when it comes to the finer mature nuances, Shen Langhun runs circles around him.
A HE for everyone is possible, but unfortunately it means our ML won't make it. I would like my HE for Tang Lici, but I'm sure they didn't film that as one of the possible endings. The cat had better get a happy ending, after living with Gui Mudan!
any_anka and I were having some discussions here about different characters, which became a thread of several replies:
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24132776
I also included cultural references to some details in earlier episodes, since at least one f-lister appreciates my summaries for the finer details of say, Chan Buddhism pertaining to Master Puzhu. Maybe take a look :). It won't spoil you since you are already at a specific episode.
I also wonder which ending we're going with. Frankly, I want Tang Lici to adopt Gui Mudan's cat and be happy in a house, surviving any final battles to do Jianghu things and be with his friends. But then again, given the sacrificial messages throughout this whole drama... I am putting a towel on standby.
I added to it, and also included why a certain incident with Liu Yan was the final straw:
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24109834
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24109952
It's not a justification of what is happening, neither does it excuse the individual from their actions. Offline, why people with certain conditions do certain things is not easy or possible to understand unless one has insight into their condition. I've also had to deal with narcissists, and many people believe narcissists are only the covert or overt aggressive types who cannot help themselves. That's also not true. However, understanding where they come from ie what is affecting them is the key to any actual change.
Mental health issues can be stigmatised greatly, depending where one is from. It is a fact that people with mental health issues of a certain self-awareness refuse to confide in people who are loud-mouthed judgmental turn-offs. And since this is an ancient setting, there's no therapist (although Shen Langhun looks like he's well on his way to being highly suitable for such a job in the pugilistic world).
If only Immortality would see the light sometime within the next two years- I have sadly given up hope on that drama.
Either Gui Mudan revealed something about Xifang Tao (if the princess is Xifang Tao) to Liu Yan and/or Liu Yan knows because it is another female who wouldn't mind Liu Yan knowing the details of such a tattoo.
I've finished episode 31. Just keep watching :)
In order to persuade Qiaoyi Qiankun to help in his plans, Liu Yan suggested that the best way for Qiaoyi Qiankun to surpass Gui Fusheng was to destroy all his works, especially the Palace of Fallen Jade which Liu Yan claims was the most special creation of Gui Fusheng.
Meanwhile, I reckon this discussion on multiple aspects of WoF in the same thread might interest you (don't worry, no spoilers that will bite you):
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24140428
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24142190
I just posted a comment up-top asking where are the fans of Alen Fang, Xiao Shunyao and Ao Ziyi. It would be great to hear from and share perspectives. That's why this is a drama page, for discussion. The drama pages for Fated Hearts and Mobius continue to flourish until today, because people discuss or reveal what they think about many different things for the respective dramas beyond romance. They are very enjoyable pages of maturity and fun.
Novel readers could ship Tang Lici with Fang Zhou or with Liu Yan, because that makes the most sense given what was in the novel (at one point to protect Liu Yan, Tang Lici hurls A-Shui to take the full impact of something very unpleasant. This will never make it into the drama, including other instances where I don't approve of how Tang Lici treated A-Shui. To say Tang Lici was in love with A-Shui in the novel is quite a stretch).
In episode 27 when the dragons of Liu Yan and Tang Lici were intertwining, I was going "HOKAY" *coughs dualcultivationcoughs*, but it can still be viewed platonically.
I'm alright for everyone to ship whoever they want, but I'm not cool when someone takes my opinion to twist it into something else for their own intentions or badgers/snipes at me because I refuse to accept the opinion they are rudely shoving at me. Thank you for not doing that.
I've watched 31 episodes, and I'm well aware of my bias as a novel reader and being emotionally invested in this drama before it aired. The first ten episodes suffer from one thing: Purple prose. It can be a turn-off to some viewers. I had to persuade a non-novel reader elsewhere offline to give it 6 episodes before deciding, and that's a Luo Yunxi fan who doesn't need subtitles. Their view is valid too, when they told me their issues with the first two episodes.
If you read the reviews I write, you can see for yourself how I view structure and other technicalities in balance with emotional plot points. For viewers who prioritise structure and technicalities with no prior interests ie why should I be invested in this story and care about the ML plus supporting characters, the first ten episodes definitely have some issues with storytelling.
If you want trivia and/or cultural references, users such as kwanto and Azure are fantastically helpful to ask.
My summative comment for episodes 8 to 12 can give you certain insights into some cultural nuances you might be missing: https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24006850
Here are examples of Azure's insights too, which I also highly recommend: https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24033934
As to episode 14 where Gui Mudan is reciting from two specific works, here are the references and lines with translations plus some context:
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24049694
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24049698
https://kisskh.at/755725-shui-long-yin#comment-24049658
I am wondering where all the fans of Alen Fang, Xiao Shunyao and Ao Ziyi are on this page, so I finally made a new comment up-top about it.
Ps. I just posted a new comment up-top wondering where all the fans of Alen Fang, Ao Ziyi and Xiao Shunyao are. It would be great to hear more from you!
Gui Mudan is a puppet and only that cat will do for him.
I won't be using a towel for Liu Yan. But it will still be sad nevertheless.