Yes, the series was wonderful. Lookme and Sonya are so good together and the production (scenes, costumes, lighting) was gorgeous...
But forking Hades, what is it with Thai GL in general and Tisha in particular giving psychotic men free passes for heinous behavior!? 'Oh, poor me, I abused, berated, and threatened you for your own good because it''s hard being a single dad?' I hope the actor cringed as much delivering that shite stuffed soliloquy of half-assed excuses as I did hearing it.
Jebus, Tisha, this is TWICE now you've thrown your women characters under the bus - we haven't forgotten gun boy getting a hero's redemption in Affair. Is the network holding a gun to your head making you do this? Do you need help? Can you flash the rescue signal? Because if not, seriously, consider getting into therapy and figuring out why you would write a selfish, self-centered, manipulative, controlling, violent man a five minute makeover into a paragon of misunderstood virtue and then have his abuse target apologize to HIM!
Look, I'm sure you have rent to pay and groceries to buy, but surely there are production companies where you don't have to be a pick-me shill for a rabidly sexist patriarchal system. Maybe find one where you can keep your dignity and not actively undercut other women.
So, just a thought, but instead of kicking and banging on reinforced wooden doors, how about just crawling through one of those fragile paper windows? Just asking.
There is so, so much lazy writing: sprinkling in of unexplained miracles and spontaneous cures and a heavy reliance on otherwise functional characters being suddenly struck stupid. It honestly wouldn't have taken much to write around the gaps, but I guess the scriptwriter simply couldn't be arsed.
watched 2 eps (or I didn't) I just couldn't stop skipping which made me miss some important things, gotta drop…
I'm on E3 now and it's a LOT of work. Trying to stick it out for the pleasure of watching Park Eun Bin, but I don't know... directing is cheesy and script takes frequent detours into nonsense "Why the heck would he/she do *that*?" territory.
Haven't watched yet, I plan to, but the criticism of an actress not being suited? If they weren't a good actress,…
Yes, exactly this. I suspect a Venn diagram of people who judged her as mid because she was mostly in romance projects and people pissed she's proving them wrong in another genre is a perfect circle.
Props to PMY for looking at the sexist age double standard for women and broadening her range with the public. Wise move.
Park Min Young seems to have a good physique in this drama. I mean she reduced her weight for marry my husband…
PMY was ripped in Love in Contract (2022). There were several scenes showing her character's workout routine that made my muscles whimper just from watching.
Reed thin doesn't always mean unhealthy. My 110lb/40.9kg daughter has the same physique as PMY, can squat lift more than 2x her body weight, and eats like a (very health conscious) horse .
Worrying about her health is legitimate, given the unhealthy effects of body shaming aimed at women world wide, but different women, different metabolisms.
Mr Queen is a near flawless 18 episode series. Unfortunately, it has 20 episodes. It got to the end of E18 before deploying stupidity as a plot device. At that point, the story wandered around, characters forgot who they were, backstories were ignored, and a bold, badass F(?)L became a helpless, witless, whimpering dingbat for 45 maddening minutes on into E19, where the martial arts trained, former special services soldier did everything but wilt from the vapors. The implosion continued into E20, with scenes defying credulity, common sense, medical reality, and several laws of physics.
I mind that sort of thing, other may not. Anyhoo, it was a satisfying enough ending.
I do have one lingering disappointment: the series ended before the Queen could go through labor and delivery as a man - because payback, baby! On the plus side, there was a delightful gay coded main character who did the limbo under the censorship bar and nearly everyone's radar.
If either of the lead characters are idiots, I'm going to drop a series. In this case, both were idiots, so it was a quick and easy decision to move on. A waste of a very talented cast.
I know only a little about Thai culture, so I don't understand why a grown woman at least 24 years old, with her own income, isn't saying "See ya later, pops, I love you, but I'm off to live my own life."
And, yes, yes I am frustrated with a script that seems like it might have been a Writing 101 assignment scribbled on the back of a damp napkin three drinks into a happy hour dare.
I just finished episode 8 and I am having a really hard time continuing this drama. Maybe its just because I am…
CAUTION: POTENTIAL SPOILERS. The option to mark this as spoiler didn't present, so this is me warning you.
Your inability to connect to the character of Wen Yi Fan makes sense, given your perspective. Conversely, as a woman who has experienced sexual assault and harassment, Wen Yi Fan's physical and emotional distancing from everyone she knew makes sense to me. She wants/needs a clean slate and safe distance.
Being broken takes time to repair, being humiliated and bearing undeserved shame is a crippling burden, being willing to be vulnerable to someone again is terrifying. It's not as simple as saying "Oh, this is what's wrong with me and this is what caused it, so I'll just get over it now and ignore that whole pesky PTSD thing while I'm at it."
So, to me, everything about Wen Yi Fan's journey after the assault was pitch perfect, including the aversion to touch, panic attacks, and the inability to talk about it to others. Giving voice to it brings back all the trauma, doubt, and shame, compounded by the fear that talking about it opens one up to disbelief (her mother), dismissal (her aunt), or minimizing (which, forgive me please for pointing it out, you did in your comments). Her truth was rejected and she was blamed by everyone who was supposed to love and support her. It makes perfect sense she wouldn't turn to SY, with whom she had only a nascent and fragile relationship, and risk another rejection. SY acknowledged in one later episode that had he known about the assault, he might not have wanted to date WYF (NOT his finest moment), so clearly it was a justified fear. I can see, though, how this story line may not resonate with someone who never shared those experiences and perhaps never needed to support a partner who shared those experiences.
Regarding the workplace sexual harassment, the emotional toll, undeserved reputational damage, victim blaming, and malicious rumor mongering was actually understated. I get it that men often think SH at work is rare and even nbd, but women know it's everywhere and that they'll likely be blamed for it and their careers will suffer or be derailed.
The part of your comments that most baffles me is you seem posit that WYF is responsible for all the misunderstanding and emotional distance and casual cruelties, when that is clearly not the case. Sang Yan sets up hurdle after hurdle for WYF to clear while he continues to deny his feelings to push her away, simultaneously invading her personal space in an attempt to pull her in, a fact he acknowledges in one later episode. It seems particularly off-kilter to fault WYF for not "being grateful" for things SY did for her, since (a) they weren't asked for, (b) he consistently denied he did them for her, and (c) she's not a mind reader, while giving him a pass for invading her personal space, breaking the roommate rules he set, gaslighting her about her sleepwalking actions, and attempting to control her social interactions. Nothing in his initial behavior after they met again said "You can trust me with your shame and pain and fear."
This story was a journey for both of them and if you let SY off the hook for his arrogance, sense of entitlement, mind games, manipulations, and controlling behaviors (all acknowledged by him in the series), you've missed half the story and SY's entire character arc.
Still, not every story is everyone's cup of tea. You are correct that if you're looking for a light romance, this is not it, but it is so much more, if you're willing to see it.
Loved this and the Korean version. I can't wade into the which is better debate because they were both fantastic. The production of the K version was more professional and realistic for a large corporation, the pacing of the J version kept me riveted and binge watching, both had compelling and charismatic leads and engaging support actors. Biggest plus of the J version for me was no evil ex-fiance popping in for no reason except a contrived substitute death. Biggest downside to the J version was a turtle that size needs a waaay bigger home environment. FREE KAMEKICHI!
But forking Hades, what is it with Thai GL in general and Tisha in particular giving psychotic men free passes for heinous behavior!? 'Oh, poor me, I abused, berated, and threatened you for your own good because it''s hard being a single dad?' I hope the actor cringed as much delivering that shite stuffed soliloquy of half-assed excuses as I did hearing it.
Jebus, Tisha, this is TWICE now you've thrown your women characters under the bus - we haven't forgotten gun boy getting a hero's redemption in Affair. Is the network holding a gun to your head making you do this? Do you need help? Can you flash the rescue signal? Because if not, seriously, consider getting into therapy and figuring out why you would write a selfish, self-centered, manipulative, controlling, violent man a five minute makeover into a paragon of misunderstood virtue and then have his abuse target apologize to HIM!
Look, I'm sure you have rent to pay and groceries to buy, but surely there are production companies where you don't have to be a pick-me shill for a rabidly sexist patriarchal system. Maybe find one where you can keep your dignity and not actively undercut other women.
There is so, so much lazy writing: sprinkling in of unexplained miracles and spontaneous cures and a heavy reliance on otherwise functional characters being suddenly struck stupid. It honestly wouldn't have taken much to write around the gaps, but I guess the scriptwriter simply couldn't be arsed.
Him: Your sister wants you to visit her.
Her: I don't plan on it.
Yes!
UPDATE: E4 was relentlessly stupid, so I'm done.
Props to PMY for looking at the sexist age double standard for women and broadening her range with the public. Wise move.
Reed thin doesn't always mean unhealthy. My 110lb/40.9kg daughter has the same physique as PMY, can squat lift more than 2x her body weight, and eats like a (very health conscious) horse .
Worrying about her health is legitimate, given the unhealthy effects of body shaming aimed at women world wide, but different women, different metabolisms.
I mind that sort of thing, other may not. Anyhoo, it was a satisfying enough ending.
I do have one lingering disappointment: the series ended before the Queen could go through labor and delivery as a man - because payback, baby! On the plus side, there was a delightful gay coded main character who did the limbo under the censorship bar and nearly everyone's radar.
And, yes, yes I am frustrated with a script that seems like it might have been a Writing 101 assignment scribbled on the back of a damp napkin three drinks into a happy hour dare.
Your inability to connect to the character of Wen Yi Fan makes sense, given your perspective. Conversely, as a woman who has experienced sexual assault and harassment, Wen Yi Fan's physical and emotional distancing from everyone she knew makes sense to me. She wants/needs a clean slate and safe distance.
Being broken takes time to repair, being humiliated and bearing undeserved shame is a crippling burden, being willing to be vulnerable to someone again is terrifying. It's not as simple as saying "Oh, this is what's wrong with me and this is what caused it, so I'll just get over it now and ignore that whole pesky PTSD thing while I'm at it."
So, to me, everything about Wen Yi Fan's journey after the assault was pitch perfect, including the aversion to touch, panic attacks, and the inability to talk about it to others. Giving voice to it brings back all the trauma, doubt, and shame, compounded by the fear that talking about it opens one up to disbelief (her mother), dismissal (her aunt), or minimizing (which, forgive me please for pointing it out, you did in your comments). Her truth was rejected and she was blamed by everyone who was supposed to love and support her. It makes perfect sense she wouldn't turn to SY, with whom she had only a nascent and fragile relationship, and risk another rejection. SY acknowledged in one later episode that had he known about the assault, he might not have wanted to date WYF (NOT his finest moment), so clearly it was a justified fear. I can see, though, how this story line may not resonate with someone who never shared those experiences and perhaps never needed to support a partner who shared those experiences.
Regarding the workplace sexual harassment, the emotional toll, undeserved reputational damage, victim blaming, and malicious rumor mongering was actually understated. I get it that men often think SH at work is rare and even nbd, but women know it's everywhere and that they'll likely be blamed for it and their careers will suffer or be derailed.
The part of your comments that most baffles me is you seem posit that WYF is responsible for all the misunderstanding and emotional distance and casual cruelties, when that is clearly not the case. Sang Yan sets up hurdle after hurdle for WYF to clear while he continues to deny his feelings to push her away, simultaneously invading her personal space in an attempt to pull her in, a fact he acknowledges in one later episode. It seems particularly off-kilter to fault WYF for not "being grateful" for things SY did for her, since (a) they weren't asked for, (b) he consistently denied he did them for her, and (c) she's not a mind reader, while giving him a pass for invading her personal space, breaking the roommate rules he set, gaslighting her about her sleepwalking actions, and attempting to control her social interactions. Nothing in his initial behavior after they met again said "You can trust me with your shame and pain and fear."
This story was a journey for both of them and if you let SY off the hook for his arrogance, sense of entitlement, mind games, manipulations, and controlling behaviors (all acknowledged by him in the series), you've missed half the story and SY's entire character arc.
Still, not every story is everyone's cup of tea. You are correct that if you're looking for a light romance, this is not it, but it is so much more, if you're willing to see it.