I mean that's why this is good, it makes you appreciate his character even more since he can't exist in any possible…
Nope. People like Hyun Seung does exist.
I've been in a very similar relationship like what Hyun Seung and Song Ah have. I gave everything for her. Her happiness was my goal. I sacrificed a lot for her. She prioritised her career. Eventually, after 15 years, she called it all off for the exact same reason Song Ah did. She can no longer handle the reality that someone loves her because he just loves her, and that it's fine for him (me in this case) to suffer just so she's smiling.
Yes, we do exist. And even though we were hurt when they broke up with us, we still do not think they are evil, instead we understood why. But again, if they ever want to get back (if we do still want it), they'll have to make the effort, again, just like what Hyun Seung told Song Ah to try and win him over.
Why? Because the stories they used were all true-to-life stories. ^_^
I love and hate this drama for setting unrealistic expectations that there are men like Chae Hyun Seung out there.…
LMAO! Yes there are. I am one of those. Hahaha.
The stories they used in this show were all "true-to-life stories".
If you can't find giver-type and healer-type persons, you either need to search better or live somewhere else. ;) There are thousands, if not millions, of people like Hyun Seung out there.
Not the forced happy ending..Honestly there was nothing special about the FL. I don't know how he managed to love…
The stories they used are true-to-life. The characters were also true-to-life. ;P
I love the way Hyun Seung loves. My then gf of 15 years loved me the way Song Ah does. Our first break-up was after being together for 6 years. Then we added 9 years more later before it ended for good.
We're not even Koreans … we're both half-Filipinos and half-Chinese. You don't need anything special about someone if you truly love them. You also don't need any reason why you should love someone for that long if you truly love them. ^_^ That's life. That's true love.
personally didn't enjoy this one it felt like the chemistry was bit forced and also felt like song ah didn't like…
Song Ah doesn't like Hyun Seung as much as he likes her. It is usually the case when the "love" of the other party is simply too great for the other. In any case, there can never be any balance in a relationship, someone will always love the other far greater. What matters is how they both handle the situation.
As much as I want to retain my original rating of 8/10, I had to drop it to 6/10 because of how they turned Gu Ruem into the dumbest and most stupid detective in fiction and real-life history. That was the biggest mistake the writer and director did.
They were doing good until they made Gu Ruem an "extra" that doesn't need anything else other than to be … well, "extra".
At this point I'm only completing this drama because I'm invested in Zi O. The female lead is a complete joke.…
Lols, exactly. That episode where she stupidly called the police station was the day her character died. From a well-experienced detective to a total garbage.
It was the biggest mistake they made. They completely made her an "extra" character that does not need anything else other than to be dumb.
I'm not sure why the actress let them do it. In any case, her acting after that episode probably reflects her disappointment in the sudden turn of her character. Her disappointment and confusion showed in her acting.
Season 2 titles (pick your choice or make a suggestion):
1. L.U.C.A.: The Extinction 2. L.U.C.A.: The Aftermath 3. L.U.C.A.: The Age of Eels 4. L.U.C.A.: Electrifying 5. L.U.C.A.: The Revenge 6. L.U.C.A.: The Rise of "Eve" (their daughter fighting Zi O's army) 7. L.U.C.A.: Gaia Rises (their daughter fighting Zi O's army)
It's called real-life not "toxic 'love'" ;PThere is no such thing as "balanced love/relationship". As her mother…
Aye, understood.
But still I don't think it can be called "toxic love" because love is subjective. Our "love" is usually based on what we grew up with, our experiences, pains, regrets, and what we hope for. For example, Jae Shin, he was bullied and abandoned, which defined him as he grew up. For him, he developed a very strict sense of love. He doesn't consider Jae Woon as his friend, he was just a tool for him to get out of his bad life, to acquire money so he can have what he want.
Is it "toxic love" that his view of love came from his overall experience in life? A life he hated, with parents he hated, a mother who abandoned him? That for him, he chose to hide his wedding because he is hopeful he will find a way? He was unfair but his love was not toxic.
It is also impossible to have any sort of "balance" in a relationship. Again, as I've said, we both love differently. It is what makes relationships challenging, fun, and memorable. If "balance" can be achieved, then there will never be growth in the two individuals and as a couple. It will probably be very boring too.
For example, Song Ah, she just came out of a very painful break up and entered into a new relationship without giving herself time to heal. She's holding back. She wants to find herself again, to realign herself, but there's a guy she had to consider. It is tearing her apart slowly.
Should she have not entered into a new relationship? Yes. But, as with most human beings, when we're in deep pain, we are looking for companionship and is very much vulnerable in falling for a new person. It was a grave mistake on her part but she loves him, only that she's holding back. She's afraid.
Hyun Seung also made the same mistake. He already healed from his previous break-up, at least as far as the one or two episodes his ex-fiance showed up, he had no problem ditching her. He should've let Song Ah heal first instead of pursuing her. Sure Song Ah's selfish because she's thinking of herself first, but Hyun Seung is also selfish because he was also thinking of himself first.
If both of them are guilty of being selfish and if being selfish is not love, then this couple doesn't love each other? Of course they do love each other but their love is based on their own definition of love.
I can relate to Hyun Seung and Song Ah because my recently ended 15-year relationship was very similar to them. I saved my ex from a __real__ toxic relationship just as Hyun Seung saved Song Ah.
I knew I should let her heal first but my personal desired came first and took advantage of her need for companionship, a shoulder to cry on, and being vulnerable at that moment. I thought that "I can change things", "it will not end up like the others", "I'll guide her through it".
My ex, she was holding back. Like Song Ah, she's putting her needs first before "us". She's searching for herself. She's trying to heal but instead of letting her heal, I entered into her life. She puts her career first too, again like Song Ah. She's afraid that's why she's holding back.
But it doesn't mean we did not love each other genuinely. It doesn't mean our love and relationship is toxic. We both grew. We both learned what it is to love and be in a long-term relationship. Was our relationship "unbalanced"? Of course, it is impossible to have a "balanced" relationship, and as I've said earlier, it will probably be very boring and a waste of time, no growth.
There is a global proverb that two people who are in love will eventually look the same. We usually attribute it to physical look and as a joke but the reality is it real. A couple in a healthy relationship (not "balanced") will eventually look the same. They will act the same. They will think the same. They will become a copy of each other. Because that is human nature of loving, we want to be the other person we love (or attracted to). You can't last for years if you are not in a healthy relationship. We lasted for 15 years because we had a healthy relationship. It is "unbalanced" but it was healthy and was not toxic.
It just that, we reached the end. Our mistake finally caught up with us. What brought us together, [1] saving her; and [2] healing herself, became the reason of our separation. After 15 years, she finally healed herself. She's no longer afraid. She's ready to go out there once again … but without her healer by her side.
Who healed her? Me. I guided her, I taught her, her happiness was my goal. Think of it as a child who finally gathered enoughu courage to go out to the wild and live by herself. Or, a bird who was injured and healed by a vet, and the day came when that bird finally wants to fly free again.
That's Hyun Seung and Song Ah. Just like me and my ex, they don't know what's happening to them. We didn't know. It was only after we broke-up that we finally understood.
A real toxic love is like an always absent parent who tells their kids that the reason they're always not around was because they love them so much they are working hard. That is a real toxic love. Using the people you claim to love for your own gain, in the "parents" example, they're working for themselves not for their kids. If you love your family, you will make time for them no matter what.
I love HARD Sci Fi the most! (like Alastair Reynolds, Arthur C. Clarke,..) Your comment saved me - i saw the first…
Glad it helped. :)
And yes, thank you very much for the suggestion! Will definitely watch it next :D
It's true, hard scifi are the best. Not only they explain things based on current scientific knowledge and theories but also there's rarely a need for "suspension of disbelief", it can actually happen. It keeps us grounded in reality and what's possible.
In the 1940s, lobotomy was considered pretty medically sound but now its crazy, this is the same shit. Even polygraph…
Yep.
However, the recent advances in "guessing" who would be psycopaths and would-be criminals is convincing more politicians to use those methods with high success rate. It is scary. There were even cold cases that were solved because of those modern methods, one such was DNA profiling, which is very much privacy invasive.
There are already different studies, using different ways, in detecting psychopaths and anyone who will be inclined to commit any crimes, for the past 20+ years. Some of these studies are already being used in courts in other countries. Some of these studies are already being used as basis to justify isolating "would-be criminals" and "potential psychopaths" to prevent them from breeding.
None, however, is as close to 90%. But it is already a reality in some parts of the world. And yes, there are legal battles against it. Some were successful, some not, some still on-going.
I guess this show is going to reveal to everyone the reality of both sides. I hope they keep it balanced because this is a serious issue.
I have no problem with how songah chooses her career more than her lover, to be honest. Some people thinks that…
She did not choose her career per se, she chose to follow her dream. People who choose their career doesn't enter into long-term relationships, they'd rather end a relationship than get distracted or have an LDR.
However, people who chases after their dreams still have their feet on the ground. The reality that they love someone and they hope that one day their dream will lay the foundation for their future family.
There is nothing wrong if their relationship ends. It has nothing to do with following "the usual kdrama trope" because if you've been in such a relationship, you know full well that the chances of it surviving is slim, and even if it does survive, it will eventually break.
That is called real-life not "the usual kdrama trope".
If there is a "usual kdrama trope" it is the fact that K-Drama always use true-to-life stories to build their characters. It is the "secret sauce" as to why K-Dramas are very attractive, people are unconciously relating to the characters. In creative writing, it is always taught that the greatest stories are ones where their audience unconciously relate to it because they can see the reality about themselves and around them in the story.
Nearly all of the relationships in this drama represent some form of unbalanced or toxic "love", where one person…
It's called real-life not "toxic 'love'" ;P
There is no such thing as "balanced love/relationship". As her mother said, you will always want to give more than what you are receiving. It is true, I've been there. What matters is how the couple handles it.
For example, Song Ah already realised how Hyun Seung was giving his all despite his own busy life and yet she said nothing about it. That was a very bad handling of the situation. How did I know? Because I've been through it myself … for 15 years.
The proper way to handle it is to tell your partner to be open and share, even if through SMS only. There will never be "balance" because we will always want to exceed what we are receiving but both parties can handle it better if they are willing to do so. But what did Song Ah do? Nothing. She did not even make any effort to exceed what she's receiving.
Oh, sure, she'll probably claim "you said it was all okay". Yes, it was okay, but it is taking a toll on the "giver". The "giver" wouldn't even realize it until a few years later, and when that day comes their relationship will be shaken very badly.
I've been in his situation. It is unfair to call it "toxic love" when you both entered into the relationship properly, as adults and independent thinking individuals. I love similarly as Hyun Seung, my only goal is to make her happy in life. My ex loved me too just as Song Ah loves him as well. It's just that they don't know how to handle things when their man is giving them everything, they think that "you said it was all okay". If they only knew how, I'm sure they'll handle it correctly because they also genuinely love their man.
If both parties genuinely love each other, is it "toxic love" just because they are not giving the same level of love, as if they chose it? No one taught us how to love, we learn it through experience.
"Toxic love" is when a parent is always at work while their kids are missing them, and then when their kids demand their attention they get angry. Then when their kids cry about it they tell their kids "I'm always not around because I am preparing for your future, I'm doing all these for you because I love you." THAT IS "toxic love".
I have always wondered about the result, if we're to do paternity test between the two leads (Yoon Tae Yi and…
It doesn't have to be explained. She probably died of a natural death, accident, or some disease, between 2010 and 2020. Or she could simply be traveling the world.
Sun Young was 28 when she arrived in the 1992 of a different world/timeline. In 2020, if she was still alive after the reset, she would be 56. She's young enough totour the world, or go back to being a scientist since she was the one who unlocked time travel in her own world/timeline.
For your other questions, everything was explained in the show since episode 1. You just have to be familiar with quantum mechanics and the different tropes of "spacetime" traveling to catch all the clues. For example, you are implying that if we do a "paternity" test, 2020-Tae Yi will show up as the mother of Jin Gyum.
Not really. * 2050-Tae Yi (a.k.a. Sun Young) was born in 2014 in a different world/timeline. * 2020-Tae Yi was born in 1994 in a different world/timeline.
They are not reincarnations either. This is a science fiction series based on quantum physics which means they only care about current facts and theories, there is no place for reincarnation and they never hinted it at all.
It's also impossible Tae Yi was a clone of Sun Young because when Sun Young went into 1992, she met the young Tae Yi. Even if we assume Tae Yi was a clone of Sun Young, what's wrong with having a relationship with a clone? She still is not his mother.
If you've watched "Neon Genesis Evangelion", they touched on that "having a relationship with a clone of your mother". Rei Ayanami is a clone of Shinji's mother and they both developed feelings for each other; Evangelion first aired in 1995. A clone is a totally different entity. So, say my girlfriend was cloned, I still wouldn't love that clone because she's not her, she's a totally different person even if she develops the exact same uniqueness as the original.
Regardless, 2020-Tae Yi is not a clone of 2050-Tae Yi nor are they related with each other in any way.
Yes, 2020-Tae Yi eventually received the memories of 2050-Tae Yi. It is called quantum entanglement, a Scientific fact and was also explained in Alice. 2020-Tae Yi even had a monologue on how she struggled with her conflicting memories and feelings but eventually she settled that "she is totally different from Sun Young" that "she is not his mother" because that's the reality, she isn't Sun Young and will never be.
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I've been in a very similar relationship like what Hyun Seung and Song Ah have. I gave everything for her. Her happiness was my goal. I sacrificed a lot for her. She prioritised her career. Eventually, after 15 years, she called it all off for the exact same reason Song Ah did. She can no longer handle the reality that someone loves her because he just loves her, and that it's fine for him (me in this case) to suffer just so she's smiling.
Yes, we do exist. And even though we were hurt when they broke up with us, we still do not think they are evil, instead we understood why. But again, if they ever want to get back (if we do still want it), they'll have to make the effort, again, just like what Hyun Seung told Song Ah to try and win him over.
Why? Because the stories they used were all true-to-life stories. ^_^
The stories they used in this show were all "true-to-life stories".
If you can't find giver-type and healer-type persons, you either need to search better or live somewhere else. ;) There are thousands, if not millions, of people like Hyun Seung out there.
I love the way Hyun Seung loves. My then gf of 15 years loved me the way Song Ah does. Our first break-up was after being together for 6 years. Then we added 9 years more later before it ended for good.
We're not even Koreans … we're both half-Filipinos and half-Chinese. You don't need anything special about someone if you truly love them. You also don't need any reason why you should love someone for that long if you truly love them. ^_^ That's life. That's true love.
^_^
They were doing good until they made Gu Ruem an "extra" that doesn't need anything else other than to be … well, "extra".
It was the biggest mistake they made. They completely made her an "extra" character that does not need anything else other than to be dumb.
I'm not sure why the actress let them do it. In any case, her acting after that episode probably reflects her disappointment in the sudden turn of her character. Her disappointment and confusion showed in her acting.
1. L.U.C.A.: The Extinction
2. L.U.C.A.: The Aftermath
3. L.U.C.A.: The Age of Eels
4. L.U.C.A.: Electrifying
5. L.U.C.A.: The Revenge
6. L.U.C.A.: The Rise of "Eve" (their daughter fighting Zi O's army)
7. L.U.C.A.: Gaia Rises (their daughter fighting Zi O's army)
… getting back on my feet after my 15-year relationship ended a few months before the premier.
Thank you for the laughter. ^_^
Much love from the Philippines! Mabuhay! ᜋᜊᜓᜑᜌ᜔᜶
But still I don't think it can be called "toxic love" because love is subjective. Our "love" is usually based on what we grew up with, our experiences, pains, regrets, and what we hope for. For example, Jae Shin, he was bullied and abandoned, which defined him as he grew up. For him, he developed a very strict sense of love. He doesn't consider Jae Woon as his friend, he was just a tool for him to get out of his bad life, to acquire money so he can have what he want.
Is it "toxic love" that his view of love came from his overall experience in life? A life he hated, with parents he hated, a mother who abandoned him? That for him, he chose to hide his wedding because he is hopeful he will find a way? He was unfair but his love was not toxic.
It is also impossible to have any sort of "balance" in a relationship. Again, as I've said, we both love differently. It is what makes relationships challenging, fun, and memorable. If "balance" can be achieved, then there will never be growth in the two individuals and as a couple. It will probably be very boring too.
For example, Song Ah, she just came out of a very painful break up and entered into a new relationship without giving herself time to heal. She's holding back. She wants to find herself again, to realign herself, but there's a guy she had to consider. It is tearing her apart slowly.
Should she have not entered into a new relationship? Yes. But, as with most human beings, when we're in deep pain, we are looking for companionship and is very much vulnerable in falling for a new person. It was a grave mistake on her part but she loves him, only that she's holding back. She's afraid.
Hyun Seung also made the same mistake. He already healed from his previous break-up, at least as far as the one or two episodes his ex-fiance showed up, he had no problem ditching her. He should've let Song Ah heal first instead of pursuing her. Sure Song Ah's selfish because she's thinking of herself first, but Hyun Seung is also selfish because he was also thinking of himself first.
If both of them are guilty of being selfish and if being selfish is not love, then this couple doesn't love each other? Of course they do love each other but their love is based on their own definition of love.
I can relate to Hyun Seung and Song Ah because my recently ended 15-year relationship was very similar to them. I saved my ex from a __real__ toxic relationship just as Hyun Seung saved Song Ah.
I knew I should let her heal first but my personal desired came first and took advantage of her need for companionship, a shoulder to cry on, and being vulnerable at that moment. I thought that "I can change things", "it will not end up like the others", "I'll guide her through it".
My ex, she was holding back. Like Song Ah, she's putting her needs first before "us". She's searching for herself. She's trying to heal but instead of letting her heal, I entered into her life. She puts her career first too, again like Song Ah. She's afraid that's why she's holding back.
But it doesn't mean we did not love each other genuinely. It doesn't mean our love and relationship is toxic. We both grew. We both learned what it is to love and be in a long-term relationship. Was our relationship "unbalanced"? Of course, it is impossible to have a "balanced" relationship, and as I've said earlier, it will probably be very boring and a waste of time, no growth.
There is a global proverb that two people who are in love will eventually look the same. We usually attribute it to physical look and as a joke but the reality is it real. A couple in a healthy relationship (not "balanced") will eventually look the same. They will act the same. They will think the same. They will become a copy of each other. Because that is human nature of loving, we want to be the other person we love (or attracted to). You can't last for years if you are not in a healthy relationship. We lasted for 15 years because we had a healthy relationship. It is "unbalanced" but it was healthy and was not toxic.
It just that, we reached the end. Our mistake finally caught up with us. What brought us together, [1] saving her; and [2] healing herself, became the reason of our separation. After 15 years, she finally healed herself. She's no longer afraid. She's ready to go out there once again … but without her healer by her side.
Who healed her? Me. I guided her, I taught her, her happiness was my goal. Think of it as a child who finally gathered enoughu courage to go out to the wild and live by herself. Or, a bird who was injured and healed by a vet, and the day came when that bird finally wants to fly free again.
That's Hyun Seung and Song Ah. Just like me and my ex, they don't know what's happening to them. We didn't know. It was only after we broke-up that we finally understood.
A real toxic love is like an always absent parent who tells their kids that the reason they're always not around was because they love them so much they are working hard. That is a real toxic love. Using the people you claim to love for your own gain, in the "parents" example, they're working for themselves not for their kids. If you love your family, you will make time for them no matter what.
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And yes, thank you very much for the suggestion! Will definitely watch it next :D
It's true, hard scifi are the best. Not only they explain things based on current scientific knowledge and theories but also there's rarely a need for "suspension of disbelief", it can actually happen. It keeps us grounded in reality and what's possible.
^_^ Shalom!
However, the recent advances in "guessing" who would be psycopaths and would-be criminals is convincing more politicians to use those methods with high success rate. It is scary. There were even cold cases that were solved because of those modern methods, one such was DNA profiling, which is very much privacy invasive.
None, however, is as close to 90%. But it is already a reality in some parts of the world. And yes, there are legal battles against it. Some were successful, some not, some still on-going.
I guess this show is going to reveal to everyone the reality of both sides. I hope they keep it balanced because this is a serious issue.
However, people who chases after their dreams still have their feet on the ground. The reality that they love someone and they hope that one day their dream will lay the foundation for their future family.
There is nothing wrong if their relationship ends. It has nothing to do with following "the usual kdrama trope" because if you've been in such a relationship, you know full well that the chances of it surviving is slim, and even if it does survive, it will eventually break.
That is called real-life not "the usual kdrama trope".
If there is a "usual kdrama trope" it is the fact that K-Drama always use true-to-life stories to build their characters. It is the "secret sauce" as to why K-Dramas are very attractive, people are unconciously relating to the characters. In creative writing, it is always taught that the greatest stories are ones where their audience unconciously relate to it because they can see the reality about themselves and around them in the story.
^_^
There is no such thing as "balanced love/relationship". As her mother said, you will always want to give more than what you are receiving. It is true, I've been there. What matters is how the couple handles it.
For example, Song Ah already realised how Hyun Seung was giving his all despite his own busy life and yet she said nothing about it. That was a very bad handling of the situation. How did I know? Because I've been through it myself … for 15 years.
The proper way to handle it is to tell your partner to be open and share, even if through SMS only. There will never be "balance" because we will always want to exceed what we are receiving but both parties can handle it better if they are willing to do so. But what did Song Ah do? Nothing. She did not even make any effort to exceed what she's receiving.
Oh, sure, she'll probably claim "you said it was all okay". Yes, it was okay, but it is taking a toll on the "giver". The "giver" wouldn't even realize it until a few years later, and when that day comes their relationship will be shaken very badly.
I've been in his situation. It is unfair to call it "toxic love" when you both entered into the relationship properly, as adults and independent thinking individuals. I love similarly as Hyun Seung, my only goal is to make her happy in life. My ex loved me too just as Song Ah loves him as well. It's just that they don't know how to handle things when their man is giving them everything, they think that "you said it was all okay". If they only knew how, I'm sure they'll handle it correctly because they also genuinely love their man.
If both parties genuinely love each other, is it "toxic love" just because they are not giving the same level of love, as if they chose it? No one taught us how to love, we learn it through experience.
"Toxic love" is when a parent is always at work while their kids are missing them, and then when their kids demand their attention they get angry. Then when their kids cry about it they tell their kids "I'm always not around because I am preparing for your future, I'm doing all these for you because I love you." THAT IS "toxic love".
^_^
Sun Young was 28 when she arrived in the 1992 of a different world/timeline. In 2020, if she was still alive after the reset, she would be 56. She's young enough totour the world, or go back to being a scientist since she was the one who unlocked time travel in her own world/timeline.
For your other questions, everything was explained in the show since episode 1. You just have to be familiar with quantum mechanics and the different tropes of "spacetime" traveling to catch all the clues. For example, you are implying that if we do a "paternity" test, 2020-Tae Yi will show up as the mother of Jin Gyum.
Not really.
* 2050-Tae Yi (a.k.a. Sun Young) was born in 2014 in a different world/timeline.
* 2020-Tae Yi was born in 1994 in a different world/timeline.
They are not reincarnations either. This is a science fiction series based on quantum physics which means they only care about current facts and theories, there is no place for reincarnation and they never hinted it at all.
It's also impossible Tae Yi was a clone of Sun Young because when Sun Young went into 1992, she met the young Tae Yi. Even if we assume Tae Yi was a clone of Sun Young, what's wrong with having a relationship with a clone? She still is not his mother.
If you've watched "Neon Genesis Evangelion", they touched on that "having a relationship with a clone of your mother". Rei Ayanami is a clone of Shinji's mother and they both developed feelings for each other; Evangelion first aired in 1995. A clone is a totally different entity. So, say my girlfriend was cloned, I still wouldn't love that clone because she's not her, she's a totally different person even if she develops the exact same uniqueness as the original.
Regardless, 2020-Tae Yi is not a clone of 2050-Tae Yi nor are they related with each other in any way.
Yes, 2020-Tae Yi eventually received the memories of 2050-Tae Yi. It is called quantum entanglement, a Scientific fact and was also explained in Alice. 2020-Tae Yi even had a monologue on how she struggled with her conflicting memories and feelings but eventually she settled that "she is totally different from Sun Young" that "she is not his mother" because that's the reality, she isn't Sun Young and will never be.
It's fine, they're not related. ^_^