I’ve only watched this for Park Jinyoung. He’s a wonderful actor and his smile lights up the screen. Melodramas…
I think it is unfair to judge them by "Why are these good actors choosing these roles" when you admitted yourself that "Melodramas are really not my thing".
Obviously they chose these roles because it is what they want, they like the story, they want to improve, they're diversifying their skills. And they'll continue to choose any role that they think is best for them.
I know I said they'll have a happy ending but that's me hoping they'll go thu cliché route. Truthfully, I already prepared myself for this ending because as I've said in that same thread, it's very relatable, we (my first love and I was her first too) went through a similar, if not exactly the same, story. I'm not going to retell our story, just look for that thread in this show around E02 or E03 airing. But it was why I enjoyed this show, and why I also expected this show will receive low ratings.
This is a story of how beautiful it is to be loved and be in love, and everything that comes with it. This is a story about growing up and trying to find the answers to our questions. Why did it fail, what did we do wrong. Should we give up, or should we keep fighting. But sometimes, we really must let each other go, and the best way to do it is to have end it properly in a matured way.
I haven't read the comments yet but I'm sure there are people claiming "it is unrealistic". Good for you if you think that it is, it means you never experienced it. However, I hoped that you'll never go through it.
Some probably said "warm breakups are impossible". Maybe for you but for some of us it is very possible. In fact, we can 100% say that it released from all burdens, regrets, and pain. And in a small world where there's a high chance that our paths may cross again, our "warm breakup" helped in keeping ourselves professional.
I have an ex who chose a cold and bitter break-up, so when our paths crossed again, she made a mess of herself. A warm, matured, break-up is real and is beneficial for both parties. And this is what this story wanted to tell. (Aside: We are NOT talking about a warm break-up with your abusive partner or rapist, just in case it is not obvious to you.)
Look at the ML. Because they did not break-up warmly, the ML wasted what would have been a better relationship with the 2FL. He can not commit himself because there are still lingering and unfinished business in his heart and mind. In addition to that, he was also afraid that things might end up the same way with the 2FL, so even though he started developing feelings for her, he stopped. In a way that was good because the 2FL will become a rebound girlfriend. Most rebound relationships fail.
The same can be said for the 1FL. Her second relationship failed because the 2ML was a rebound boyfriend. In addition, she also saw him which resparked her deep desire to be with the 1ML again. If they broke up properly the first time, seeing her ex wouldn't play a role in her eventual break-up with the 2ML, they probably will last for a few months more.
These are lessons you will only learn if you went through it. It IS very painful. It IS confusing. A warm break-up is NOT perfect, so think about how bad a cold break-up is.
Look at the 1ML qnd 1FL. After 1 year, they're still keeping in touch. They are still hoping. Nothing wrong with it but at least they no longer have bitterness. If one of them finds a new partner, they won't feel pain, instead they'll be genuinely happy for each other.
The lessons here are: 1. Aim for a warm break-up. Sit down, talk, thank each other, and end your relationship peacefully. You both agreed to be in a relationship so you should both agree to end it.
2. Avoid entering into a new relationship because it almost always end up as rebound. The only way you can be sure you are over with your ex is if you see them, you don't have any feelings. Feelings include anger, hatred, and bitterness. If you still cannot stomach seeing their shadow or breathing the same air as your ex, then you have not moved on at all. You will bring all of it into your new relationship.
3. End things fast. Mature people know when a relationship is unsalvageable. Only the inexperienced tries to keep patching a relationship that will never be fixed. If you fall in love with each other again later, then it is because that's a new relationship, not because of lingering unfinished business.
Again, we are NOT talking about breaking up with abusive partners or talking to the rapist suspect … obviously.
Quite a few of those “classic” items were originally brought in from the US (items dating back to the late…
I think I wasn't clear.
I'm not talking about literal "opening up", I was talking about culturally.
You can open up your country but culturally you are still "closed", and many countries were like especially here in Asia.
While Korea, and later South Korea, opened up, they were still very guarded and not accepting of major changes in their culture, which includes food. If you compare their current status to 20 years ago, you'll see that there were slow but many changes over time.
I mean, even the chef judges repeatedly said the same thing. They're slow in adopting and adapting foreign styles into their own cooking and baking.
You mentioned "English". Mainland China, Japan, and Korea, are well-known to be not native English speakers, and ESL (English as Second Language) only recently started to grow. But compare that to the Philippines and Singapore where children grow as first-language multilingual, and their second language is often whichever they chose in college or studied as a hobby.
That is them (CJK) being "open" territorially and economically but not culturally. They didn't find learning English important, and instead valued the preservation of their mother tongue.
To this day, if you go to mainland China and you're an overseas Chinese, or half/part overseas Chinese, you'll experience discrimination and doors closed. My cousins always experiences that whenever they visit mainland China.
Diaspora South Koreans, regardless if they're pure or not, also shared the discrimination they experience from native South Koreans.
These are examples of keeping your culture "closed" from outside influence and changes.
I'm not saying it's bad but for the context of the discussion, their food industry is only recently accepting adopting and adapting foreign influences, and it's gaining speed, to the point that some are being cautious that their own Korean products, flavours, styles, methods, might disappear. (It won't of course.)
Take for example Dujjonku. It is only "Dubai" in name but it is 100% Korean. A Korean pastry chef was inspired by the original and created an entirely new 100% Korean recipe and product.
Another is what the judges mentioned in previous episodes about how the pastry industry in Korea is starting to embrace fine dining pastry restaurants, where pastries are expensive, sometimes more expensive than the hotels (which makes sense since hotels usually outsources their supply).
But as the judges also mentioned, the current trend of very affordable pastries is very strong, most contestants priced their products too low because of it. Only one was brave to price it at hotel/fine dining level.
That's culture.
One can be "open" but it doesn't mean their culture is "open". They're guarding their culture very closely, they only accept foreign influence and changes if they can mold it as their own.
But as the Dujjonku trend shows, once something goes viral, there's no stopping it. Luckily for them, a Korean pastry chef was bold enough to create a 100% Korean recipe and version which became Dujjonku. So, technically, it still is Korean. 😁
Please don't say this, Notting hill is better than this confused show
Well, I agree Notting Hill is better.
But that's the point of it, this is Korea's best production as far as Notting Hill plot/genre is concerned. They still have a some ways to go to be at par. 😁
As far as I know, Dubai Kunafa Chocolate IS from Dubai. The Kunafa one is trending worldwide. The chef you are…
Yes, it is from Dubai but only as a product name and location where it was first sold.
The first Dubai Kunafa Chocolate came from a store that was owned by a British-Egyptian entrepreneur. She was pregnant and was looking for a specific taste she had before. She partnered with a Filipino pastry chef, she gave him the idea and he invented the recipe, until she found the taste she was looking for.
They launched their business in Dubai in 2021 until the Filipino chef left, I think a year before it suddenly became popular in December 2023.
Technically, it's only Dubai by name and location it was first sold.
Meanwhile, the Korean version is a reinterpretation of the original product. It's actually completely a new product entirely, even the recipe is original.
It's only "Dubai" by name but it's 100% Korean.
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Pastry names are weird.
For example, here in the Philippines we have what we call "Spanish Bread" or "Pan de Kastila" during the Spanish colonial era. It is 100% Filipino. It wasn't inspired by another Spanish pastry.
No one knows how it came to be called that but the most common and plausible is to achieve a higher status and fame, which to this day is a very common practice in cooking and pastry. 😁
Like the Korean version, "Dubai" was retained in the name for prestige: Dujjonku which is Dubai Chewy Cookie literally but 100% Korean.
Which is what I find ironic because the judges are not mentioning that it's an original Korean recipe they can truly call their own. Most Koreans are likely not aware of that trivia. I mean, it's a missed opportunity for them especially when the theme of the show is about promoting Korean pastry products.
Thank you for calling me "very young", I appreciate. Yeah, maybe I don't know anything about writers, after all I just came from a clan of authors, scriptwriters, and producers, what do I know.
Thirdly, anyone who do know writers, like how you're somewhat claiming to be—at least with the way you replied, you should know what I'm talking about in the first place. Pretending not knowing what I'm talking about just so you can come out correct is, well, 🤦🏽. Because, you know, it's also taught in writing courses, especially in creative fiction. But again, what do I know, right? As you've said, I'm young and know nothing about writers.
I forgot to mention: I hope this is the last time we will see that ghost silhouette method. It's for ghosts, not…
Don't get me wrong, I'm watching this. But this is the hardest story I've encountered that used the Kishōtenketsu method. So far, it.does look like they're using Kishōtenketsu.
In any case, the question of the synopsis is something you'll learn to answer once you're #Forever28, and that…
Mad Concrete has too many "dumb" moments for my taste. Hahaha.
Climax is too slow and melodrama. I'll end up skipping only which I don't like to do. Hehehe.
At least that's what I remember. I think I also had too high of an expectation, they marketed it in a way that aligns with my tastes but it failed to deliver that. While probably in the middle they will, but it's hard to watch if the show didn't catch you early on.
As of E04.1. The director's style of storytelling is unconventional and very confusing.a. The time jumps are too…
I forgot to mention: I hope this is the last time we will see that ghost silhouette method. It's for ghosts, not brains transferred to a different body. There are methods meant exclusively for certain things because that's the effect and message it brings.
It's already an advance storytelling, then they reinvented the wheel. 😂
1. The director's style of storytelling is unconventional and very confusing.
a. The time jumps are too large within the same time period (present to present and past to past). b. The flow between different time jumps lacks telltale signs of when it ms happening, 6 months before or after? 3 months before 6 months? 2 months after 3 months?
2. It's like reading a half chapter and then another half chapter and thenyet another half chapter. And each of those half chapters are from the vantage point of different characters.
I can't even decide who is the 1FL, 2FL, the 1ML, and the 2ML. They are all given equal weight and importance. In creative writing, this is highly discouraged because it confuses the reader. It also signals that the author is an amateur. So, I don't know why the scriptwriter decided to use this complicated method. Clearly, if someone likes me who can quickly grasped complex stories is having a hard time, it means the writer failed or they targeted a very niche audience who far better than me. 😂
Then again, she also wrote Durian's Affair which I put on hold and I have no idea when I'll continue it.
3. The older brother actor.
I like actors who are flexible. I usualny see him acting macho, rarely as a soft "girly" guy. LOL. That's what my first gf's colleague saw in me hence he didn't believe I'm her bf then until we had a pationate kiss in front of him. 🤣🤪 I was too soft and "girly" like the actor's character here. ROFL.
4. Why are they chatty? Am I watching a novel? What happened to "show don't tell" golden rule in creative writing? 😅😆
It feels like I'm watching old P-dramas. Always sitting, standing, eating, and chat chat chat.
Let's get on with the plot, the mother's insanity! Hahaha. Show us how insane she is already! 😜🤪
It is crazy how it seems like people are expected to work 12 to 14 hours a day, and many even work on weekends.…
Oh, and the 12–14 hours you mentioned, including weekends, that was already an improvement. There are more bills filed that will further reduce it and align it with other Asian countries like the Philippines. Even in the Kpop industry, new laws were recently passed to align with Filipino and Japanese Kpop idol because both the Philippines and Japan have very strict laws when it comes to child labour (underage) especially if they work abroad.
For example, UNIS have 2 Filipino citizens and 2 Japanese nationals. F&F Entertainment is obligated to follow the requirements for those foreign Kpop idols. Like Elisia, F&F is mandated to give her time for her studies, and if she so much have one failing subject, she'll have less time for work-related activities and F&F can't do anything about it.
A recent South Korean law was passed to ensure foreign talents employed in South Korean Kpop industry meets their respective laws instead of purely Korean laws only. In fact, even the Korean talunts benefited from it. They now have a strict weekly number of work hours.
So, it is changing. But Kdrama and news rarely, if ever, talk about it. They always want the old "bad" systems to be at the front of Kdrama and news.
Obviously they chose these roles because it is what they want, they like the story, they want to improve, they're diversifying their skills. And they'll continue to choose any role that they think is best for them.
This is a story of how beautiful it is to be loved and be in love, and everything that comes with it. This is a story about growing up and trying to find the answers to our questions. Why did it fail, what did we do wrong. Should we give up, or should we keep fighting. But sometimes, we really must let each other go, and the best way to do it is to have end it properly in a matured way.
I haven't read the comments yet but I'm sure there are people claiming "it is unrealistic". Good for you if you think that it is, it means you never experienced it. However, I hoped that you'll never go through it.
Some probably said "warm breakups are impossible". Maybe for you but for some of us it is very possible. In fact, we can 100% say that it released from all burdens, regrets, and pain. And in a small world where there's a high chance that our paths may cross again, our "warm breakup" helped in keeping ourselves professional.
I have an ex who chose a cold and bitter break-up, so when our paths crossed again, she made a mess of herself. A warm, matured, break-up is real and is beneficial for both parties. And this is what this story wanted to tell. (Aside: We are NOT talking about a warm break-up with your abusive partner or rapist, just in case it is not obvious to you.)
Look at the ML. Because they did not break-up warmly, the ML wasted what would have been a better relationship with the 2FL. He can not commit himself because there are still lingering and unfinished business in his heart and mind. In addition to that, he was also afraid that things might end up the same way with the 2FL, so even though he started developing feelings for her, he stopped. In a way that was good because the 2FL will become a rebound girlfriend. Most rebound relationships fail.
The same can be said for the 1FL. Her second relationship failed because the 2ML was a rebound boyfriend. In addition, she also saw him which resparked her deep desire to be with the 1ML again. If they broke up properly the first time, seeing her ex wouldn't play a role in her eventual break-up with the 2ML, they probably will last for a few months more.
These are lessons you will only learn if you went through it. It IS very painful. It IS confusing. A warm break-up is NOT perfect, so think about how bad a cold break-up is.
Look at the 1ML qnd 1FL. After 1 year, they're still keeping in touch. They are still hoping. Nothing wrong with it but at least they no longer have bitterness. If one of them finds a new partner, they won't feel pain, instead they'll be genuinely happy for each other.
The lessons here are:
1. Aim for a warm break-up. Sit down, talk, thank each other, and end your relationship peacefully. You both agreed to be in a relationship so you should both agree to end it.
2. Avoid entering into a new relationship because it almost always end up as rebound. The only way you can be sure you are over with your ex is if you see them, you don't have any feelings. Feelings include anger, hatred, and bitterness. If you still cannot stomach seeing their shadow or breathing the same air as your ex, then you have not moved on at all. You will bring all of it into your new relationship.
3. End things fast. Mature people know when a relationship is unsalvageable. Only the inexperienced tries to keep patching a relationship that will never be fixed. If you fall in love with each other again later, then it is because that's a new relationship, not because of lingering unfinished business.
Again, we are NOT talking about breaking up with abusive partners or talking to the rapist suspect … obviously.
Here's why.
(No spoilers)
Congratulations to everyone, most especially to the first BYD champion.
Now, the question is, how can we taste your creations here in the Philippines? Be sure to open a shop here! It's the world's best bread after all!
I'm not talking about literal "opening up", I was talking about culturally.
You can open up your country but culturally you are still "closed", and many countries were like especially here in Asia.
While Korea, and later South Korea, opened up, they were still very guarded and not accepting of major changes in their culture, which includes food. If you compare their current status to 20 years ago, you'll see that there were slow but many changes over time.
I mean, even the chef judges repeatedly said the same thing. They're slow in adopting and adapting foreign styles into their own cooking and baking.
You mentioned "English". Mainland China, Japan, and Korea, are well-known to be not native English speakers, and ESL (English as Second Language) only recently started to grow. But compare that to the Philippines and Singapore where children grow as first-language multilingual, and their second language is often whichever they chose in college or studied as a hobby.
That is them (CJK) being "open" territorially and economically but not culturally. They didn't find learning English important, and instead valued the preservation of their mother tongue.
To this day, if you go to mainland China and you're an overseas Chinese, or half/part overseas Chinese, you'll experience discrimination and doors closed. My cousins always experiences that whenever they visit mainland China.
Diaspora South Koreans, regardless if they're pure or not, also shared the discrimination they experience from native South Koreans.
These are examples of keeping your culture "closed" from outside influence and changes.
I'm not saying it's bad but for the context of the discussion, their food industry is only recently accepting adopting and adapting foreign influences, and it's gaining speed, to the point that some are being cautious that their own Korean products, flavours, styles, methods, might disappear. (It won't of course.)
Take for example Dujjonku. It is only "Dubai" in name but it is 100% Korean. A Korean pastry chef was inspired by the original and created an entirely new 100% Korean recipe and product.
Another is what the judges mentioned in previous episodes about how the pastry industry in Korea is starting to embrace fine dining pastry restaurants, where pastries are expensive, sometimes more expensive than the hotels (which makes sense since hotels usually outsources their supply).
But as the judges also mentioned, the current trend of very affordable pastries is very strong, most contestants priced their products too low because of it. Only one was brave to price it at hotel/fine dining level.
That's culture.
One can be "open" but it doesn't mean their culture is "open". They're guarding their culture very closely, they only accept foreign influence and changes if they can mold it as their own.
But as the Dujjonku trend shows, once something goes viral, there's no stopping it. Luckily for them, a Korean pastry chef was bold enough to create a 100% Korean recipe and version which became Dujjonku. So, technically, it still is Korean. 😁
But that's the point of it, this is Korea's best production as far as Notting Hill plot/genre is concerned. They still have a some ways to go to be at par. 😁
The first Dubai Kunafa Chocolate came from a store that was owned by a British-Egyptian entrepreneur. She was pregnant and was looking for a specific taste she had before. She partnered with a Filipino pastry chef, she gave him the idea and he invented the recipe, until she found the taste she was looking for.
They launched their business in Dubai in 2021 until the Filipino chef left, I think a year before it suddenly became popular in December 2023.
Technically, it's only Dubai by name and location it was first sold.
Meanwhile, the Korean version is a reinterpretation of the original product. It's actually completely a new product entirely, even the recipe is original.
It's only "Dubai" by name but it's 100% Korean.
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Pastry names are weird.
For example, here in the Philippines we have what we call "Spanish Bread" or "Pan de Kastila" during the Spanish colonial era. It is 100% Filipino. It wasn't inspired by another Spanish pastry.
No one knows how it came to be called that but the most common and plausible is to achieve a higher status and fame, which to this day is a very common practice in cooking and pastry. 😁
Like the Korean version, "Dubai" was retained in the name for prestige: Dujjonku which is Dubai Chewy Cookie literally but 100% Korean.
Which is what I find ironic because the judges are not mentioning that it's an original Korean recipe they can truly call their own. Most Koreans are likely not aware of that trivia. I mean, it's a missed opportunity for them especially when the theme of the show is about promoting Korean pastry products.
Thirdly, anyone who do know writers, like how you're somewhat claiming to be—at least with the way you replied, you should know what I'm talking about in the first place. Pretending not knowing what I'm talking about just so you can come out correct is, well, 🤦🏽. Because, you know, it's also taught in writing courses, especially in creative fiction. But again, what do I know, right? As you've said, I'm young and know nothing about writers.
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This is funny. I'll enjoy watching this.
Also, they're "training" and exposing new talents. About time. I've already seen Gyuri twice before. I'm glad to see her again.
Climax is too slow and melodrama. I'll end up skipping only which I don't like to do. Hehehe.
At least that's what I remember. I think I also had too high of an expectation, they marketed it in a way that aligns with my tastes but it failed to deliver that. While probably in the middle they will, but it's hard to watch if the show didn't catch you early on.
It's already an advance storytelling, then they reinvented the wheel. 😂
1. The director's style of storytelling is unconventional and very confusing.
a. The time jumps are too large within the same time period (present to present and past to past).
b. The flow between different time jumps lacks telltale signs of when it ms happening, 6 months before or after? 3 months before 6 months? 2 months after 3 months?
2. It's like reading a half chapter and then another half chapter and thenyet another half chapter. And each of those half chapters are from the vantage point of different characters.
I can't even decide who is the 1FL, 2FL, the 1ML, and the 2ML. They are all given equal weight and importance. In creative writing, this is highly discouraged because it confuses the reader. It also signals that the author is an amateur. So, I don't know why the scriptwriter decided to use this complicated method. Clearly, if someone likes me who can quickly grasped complex stories is having a hard time, it means the writer failed or they targeted a very niche audience who far better than me. 😂
Then again, she also wrote Durian's Affair which I put on hold and I have no idea when I'll continue it.
3. The older brother actor.
I like actors who are flexible. I usualny see him acting macho, rarely as a soft "girly" guy. LOL. That's what my first gf's colleague saw in me hence he didn't believe I'm her bf then until we had a pationate kiss in front of him. 🤣🤪 I was too soft and "girly" like the actor's character here. ROFL.
4. Why are they chatty? Am I watching a novel? What happened to "show don't tell" golden rule in creative writing? 😅😆
It feels like I'm watching old P-dramas. Always sitting, standing, eating, and chat chat chat.
Let's get on with the plot, the mother's insanity! Hahaha. Show us how insane she is already! 😜🤪
For example, UNIS have 2 Filipino citizens and 2 Japanese nationals. F&F Entertainment is obligated to follow the requirements for those foreign Kpop idols. Like Elisia, F&F is mandated to give her time for her studies, and if she so much have one failing subject, she'll have less time for work-related activities and F&F can't do anything about it.
A recent South Korean law was passed to ensure foreign talents employed in South Korean Kpop industry meets their respective laws instead of purely Korean laws only. In fact, even the Korean talunts benefited from it. They now have a strict weekly number of work hours.
So, it is changing. But Kdrama and news rarely, if ever, talk about it. They always want the old "bad" systems to be at the front of Kdrama and news.