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Actually the show did a bad job of translating that scene from the novel. In the novel it is more clear why Type takes such a decision (he feels revulsion being the top and he mainly wants to know if Tharn can cure him of his homophobia, since Type feels safe in his touch)

Warda on a different topic, I don't think Type was raped. In the novel it is made clear he was not raped (Type says his abuser could not "get in"), and even in the tv show he says in the scene where he talks about how the media covered his childhood incident and how they told him that he should be grateful because "it could have been worse".

Jelena, thank you for your polite reply, your perspective is something I haven't thought of before and I'll spend some more time musing on it and learning more (I don't reply to statistical data unless I feel I have gained sufficient knowledge of it to have a conversation about it). In any case, it's always good to have a civilised discussion about this. I agree that there are a lot of misconceptions about the topic of child sexual abuse (due to ignorance and denial and social taboo), but your original post is negatively triggering and I'll be grateful for a chance to explain why. English is not my first language so I will try to be as clear as possible. 

You are putting forth clinical statistics and intellectual arguments for what fundamentally is an emotionally explosive landmine, and an evil that has gone for a long time, not just in modern society. I get that you do this to convey your viewpoint, and also so that you can prove you are right (which is understandable, we all want to be right in our convictions). Me, I tend to accept it easily when I am wrong (otherwise how will I ever learn anything new?), and my view about this topic is very simple, I speak from personal experience and I mainly object to the sentence you have used in your first post in thread, specifically "even though it's a medical condition and not a choice, and most of them never harmed a single child."

Firstly, "Mostly of all never harmed a child?" Where does this statistics come from? How can you give this guarantee? I really want to know, this is genuine question. As proof that most of them of course do harm kids, I can offer example from my life.

The definition of harm is not just 'physical' harm alone. Harm is not contained just to the moments of the abuse. CSA has far reaching consequences to the person who is abused. My abuser never hurt me in a painful manner, he never said anything unkind or cruel to me during the multiple times I had the misfortune to be alone with him, but what he did to me (yes, if you want details, to the pre-pubescent me) caused me decades of damage (which took extensive therapy to address) and many personally terrible decisions that caused my youth life to derail, which I now understand was a PTSD reaction to the abuse in my past. 

In general CSA therapy can never really be 100% effective because memories cannot be erased, this is the reality to most CSA survivors, they have to live with it forever which is a horror by itself. And not everyone is as lucky as me. Most people cannot afford therapy or even if they can, it's tough to find a good person who knows enough to guide you in the right way (there are some horribly unqualified people out there who should not be therapists at all). Most CSA survivors struggle all their lives to process and get rid of the accumulated guilt and self-loathing, and often fail in that because they don't have the tools to deal, and end up transferring their internal/past hate to their present relationships and lead miserable lives.

Childhood sexual abuse trauma is long lasting, lingering pain, where one person has to pay all their lives for another person's crime - it IS a crime to sexually invade a child's body... even if it is termed as a medical disorder, and that by itself cannot be an excuse. A lot of murders are caused by people with underlying mental disorders, that doesn't mean they can't be considered crimes. I know in the name of law both perps and victims have a right of equal presentation, and I understand to some extent what you are trying to say, but in the topic of CSA, considering the amount of trauma/damage one side experiences more than the other (I have so far not heard of perps suffering as much as the victims, if you have stats on this, kindly share), I feel that it is not fair to ask for a statistically just look at both perps and victims. 

Whatever it is, I sincerely hope you take back what you said about pedos (I don't want to get stuck on terminolody here, by 'pedo' I mean all adults who violate a child's body) never really 'harming a single child', this line of thinking is very upsetting to me and possibly to all CSA survivors. It's not as simple as saying "oh they can't control it it's a medical disorder so they need empathy". This 'empathetic' thinking cannot come at the cost of the terrible price the other side keeps paying. I personally know of one person who eventually committed suicide because of his failure to overcome his childhood abuse memories, and there are more every year. This is an extremely triggering topic and IMO, if one is not a CSA survivor themselves or working in the CSA therapy field - it's not clear from your posts , so I assume you do not belong to either of this category (and I apologise if this assumption is incorrect) - one ought not to publicly express any opinions about it, because it's likely that they will never get the full picture of it.

Jelena your comment is horribly insensitive, especially to those child abuse survivors who have had their childhood (and probably adulthood) damaged and often spend their whole lives in therapy or unhealthy patterns of self damage / trust issues. As a CSA survivor myself, I am shocked at your words. Kindly educate yourself about the topic before spouting an insanely incorrect opinion like pedophiles have never harmed a single child. And yes, any person who touches a child with sexual intention IS A PEDO, there is no ambiguity AT ALL in this.

no, it's at https://rosyspell.wordpress.com/beloved-enemy/

I agree completely that the 'forgiveness' scene should have been shot more effectively, and with Tar or Tharn in it (not Thorn). In a real world situation, Llong would have been undergoing intensive therapy after the revelation or at least in the show, some kind of apology should have been shown by him to Tar, considering that Tar was the most affected one here (by Lhong's acts). I don't get why it has to be Thorn who says these forgiving words to Llong! I feel this was a silly script move.

In any case, jail time for Llong was near impossible... that means poor Tar has to file official complaint, citing both verbally and in written form what happened to him that night and eventually go on trial, which would have been time consuming and messy and could affect his plan of studying in France and also cause more emotional distress for him. Plus, the videotape would have been viewed many times by strangers in the law enforcement, as due process of evidence in cases like this. Tar had PTSD, and it took him a long time to tell even Tum (someone he trusted implicitly) about the rape, so to make it public record would not have worked in reality at all.

However, I don't know if we can call Tharn, Type, and Tar as victims - they suffered a lot, but they did survive the ordeal and moved on.

I too wanted a severe punishment for the kind of crime Llong committed and initially was shocked how he got away scot free. But after thinking about it, I have realised why Llong didn't get any punishment. This is just my opinion and may not be agreeable to all, but here it goes: TTTS/BLC universe is after all fiction. It's make believe, set in a near-utopian world... like it is a story that is all about how life *should* be (not how it is in reality we all live). Gay/Bi/Pan folks should be treated the same way as hets. People should not discriminate one another by race, colour, gender or nationality. Parents should not force their kids to obey them blindly, and so on.

BL stories are all about how our world should really be a place without hate. Take the case of the parents in the show, be it Pete's mom or Type's/Tharn's parents. One or all of them show incredible tolerance when their sons are dating men. In real world this is more likely not possible (in my country, you come out boldly like this, depending on your socal status, either your family might try to kill you or kill your bf, or you'll be cut off permanently; at the very least you'll be alienated and humiliated in society, unless you are very rich and can buy protection).

So I feel like the biggest point these beautiful BL stories, and especially TharnType, try to make is remove the taboo and represent love between humans as universally normal, with no hatred or prejudice. That same way, the reason Llong is forgiven is in this story is because the series tries to promote the concept of tolerance IN EVERY ASPECT OF LIFE, not just in gender bias but also in not punishing a human being for what he did in moments of madness. Let's not forget that prisons themselves in the real world were built in the first place for reforming criminals, not to "punish" them indefinitely.

So, while it may satisfy our own sense of morality or bloodthirsty sense of justice to see Llong hanged or lynched (or whatever) for what he did to Tar, the show has actually tried to walk the talk, to do what it preaches - "tolerance and understanding" - and for that it should be applauded.

Yeah I read the novel in this link, but it stops at chapter 4 of Book 2, I think. Book 2 (7 years of Love) is not yet translated in english, afaik.

Yes! I mean... what's the point, really. Massive waste of money, I'd say and so much disappointment from fans of the novel.

For the best english translation of Beloved Enemy novel, you can go to

ShaoYeLoveBl on wattpad, for chapters 1 to 28
Rosyspell on wordpress for chapters 28 till end

Trust me, theirs is the best out there, other translations are nearly incomprehensible at some point mid-way.

Blogger RosySpell at Wordpress has a complete english translation of the novel. Hers/his is the best out there.

She is a woman :), as far as the novel goes. She just looks somewhat manly.

I think it's because most fans of romance genre want to have perfect closure with no ambiguity. The fact is in this ending, one person will be in jail and the other person has to wait for him can be upsetting news for those who prefer straight forward happy endings :)

Hi Warda, Dreamingsnowflake explanation to this specific concern of mine is beautiful... but as a student of film making, I was often told that if it requires a deep external analysis to explain the thought process of a charactar/evolution in a movie, that means the movie failed as a medium. Not every person in the audience will have the means to read an analysis to appreciate the movie's true intent... the script cannot be that subtle when dealing with issues like childhood abuse.

Yes, there is a (roundabout) apology between the main leads, when one of them accepts that he is sorry he was forcing his attention too much on the other.

@Warda_08 Bless you for bringing up this point. I was also really frustrated with the show's script that nobody explains to Type that he was molested by a pedophile, not by a LGBTQ person. Of course he as the victim wouldn't know this difference, but someone in the show should have made this clear through dialogue, since this public misconception (pedo = gay) seems quite common. I am surprised why the script team did not make this clear in the show. I feel it's such a wasted opportunity.

Here's the english translation for those who want to read TharnType original novel, a lot of things are explained more clearly in the novel (such as the confusing "i don't want to owe you" scene). Mostly NSFW. https://nastriumden.blogspot.com/p/tharntype-series-gay-drummer-and.html

You can read the eng novel translation here. Mostly NSFW! https://nastriumden.blogspot.com/p/tharntype-series-gay-drummer-and.html

Yeah there's nothing like Trapped out there, from what I have searched so far :( Guess we have to wait for someone to make more series like this. Most BL series are made in high school / college background, because typically that's when gender identity issues crop up and people get into tough situations - so I also enjoy such stories (TharnType happens in college), to see how things get resolved. Plus TharnType is straightforward romantic drama, it doesn't have the interesting action or multi-layered story like Trapped :)

I agree TharnType is not for all, but mostly because some things were not properly adapted from the novel. Don't mistake me, I actually think the show is a GREAT and faithful adaptation of the novel but some crucial things were left out. For eg, the reason Type asks Tharn to sleep with him - it's not just because he doesn't want to owe anything to Tharn. There's a far more important reason which for some mysterious purpose was not explained in the drama. I highly recommend reading the novel since it is explains many, many things about both the physical and emotional relationship between Tharne and Type, who if you look at it, have both been abused as kids and are trying their best to live their lives without damage (to be fair, it's not possible to show all that on screen, due to limited time and budget etc)