grapejuice

I read it. 268 instalments with the afterword. And I also wish the live action had more episodes. I would have loved another one or two in part 1 and in part 2. But it didn't get them. It got the short run treatment that more and more kdramas are getting in the last few years. Which seems to be what audiences want instead of 16 or even 12 episodes. So, there would have been people who would have complained if there were more.

And the question should be whether they did well with what they had or not. And I think that they did. There's lots of interaction between the 4 main characters. They bond at school, with the volunteer work, over some meals, through some fights and bad situations and just hanging around playing ball or sitting and talking on the bleachers.

And we have two or three antagonists with some room for Teddy or Gerard or Rowan in part 3 perhaps. But we didn't need them to have a strong story in part 2. Their being there would just have split the action too much ... into too many pieces that would be too distracting. Especially for people who weren't expecting them because they didn't read the webtoon.

Anyway, I do get your point and we'll agree to disagree but why not watch again in a month or two? part 1 and part 2 run together and just consider whether it's a good story on it's own ...without comparing to the webtoon. i bet you'll enjoy it more the second time.

I know we need to agree to disagree but ... really? Character development in the webtoon? There was hardly any character development for any of the many, many characters in the webtoon. Even the ML was far less developed in the webtoon. We have less background for him. The only thoughts we get relate to his fight strategy ... and the only development we see is that he becomes a better fighter. Even a scene where he is unexpectedly rescued by others all we get from him is his saying something like ... 'then I remembered a word I'd forgotten, friendship'. I mean seriously? Could that be any flatter? And that was about it for any kind of development. In fact, the only character with a decent backstory was the one that died. And we learned about it like it was an afterthought ... AFTER he died !!! So, it came off like a belated plea for sympathy, or an extended apology ... but it had no real emotion effect. And the webtoon's plot development was no better. It was convoluted, meandering and repetitive. I mean I really loved the webtoon. It's an excellent webtoon. But I loved it more before the drama appeared because the drama took the story and the characters so much deeper.

Bad as hell? I know you're entitled to your opinion and you're not alone in it. But don't you think that you and other people too are going overboard on the comparison critiques? Is part 2 really such a write off? Do you mean to tell people not to bother watching it? Do you want to sink part 2 because it's not what you wanted it to be and every bit as good or better than part 1 was?

I'm afraid I don't get it. Park JiHoon seems to be proud of both parts of the drama and his work is excellent in both. Do you figure he's embarrassed or something and doesn't want people to watch both of his performances? Do you want people to miss his performance in part 2? I mean, I doubt that he's feeling sorry for himself because part 2 doesn't compare in everyone's eyes to part 1.

I did read the source material !!! Before watching the drama. And it does well at the kinds of things that webtoons can do well. Establish a good premise for a plot driven story that comes at you in small, regular instalments over time. A webtoon can have more characters and more things happening where a live action drama is better to go deeper into less of it. Fewer characters. Fewer things happening. Less action. A plot that's less drawn out. With more depth in character exploration. Webtoon drawings are simpler and more static than the things that an actor and director can do. So, you can look for more depth of emotion in a drama.

You'll only be dissatisfied with one or the other if you expect them to be able to do all things that the other can do ... when the two mediums are actually good at very different things. So, the point is not to compare, if you can avoid it. I wish that each of the two parts of the drama were longer but I don't think that either of them is a watered down version of the webtoon. They aim to do things differently than the webtoon in order to capitalize on the strengths of live action and the actors playing each part.

The dramas, for instance, concentrate very heavily on the main character where the webtoon goes on for many episodes at a time, showing other characters and situations ... without showing much of Gray at all. Why? The drama concentrates on the ML to strengthen the story and to capitalize on the fact that Park JiHoon is brilliant at being Si Eun. He can show so much more on his face than you could ever see in the static drawings of Gray despite the illustrator being excellent. Which is one of the main differences between the mediums and why the drama isn't just a watered down version of the webtoon. They're just different.

And personally I think that the drama is better at exploiting it's strengths than the webtoon is at exploiting it's strengths. If I could only have one of them, I'd pick the drama, hands down.

Wow. There's a purposeful exaggeration. The webtoon episodes are extremely short, there are many many more superfluous characters and way too many unnecessary fight scenes. So, paring it down was actually a god-send, and it didn't feel too rushed or too condensed to me at least. I mean the webtoon was really good in a lot of ways but ...omg it was loooooong and repetitive.

I hope a few people decide to watch them back to back because it's really obvious when you do that ... that they make a good progression ... and there had to be a change in tone and scope ... but it's clearly one really good story.

I enjoyed the webtoon. Read it before I saw the drama. But essentially, it's one long fight scene with tiny doses of character and plot development in between each instalment of the fight. Which is fine. Lots of action. And it definitely explores Si Eun's fighting technique a whole lot more. Which is kinda cool. We read his thinking, his calculations, his planning and his growing ruthlessness as he does more and more fighting and becomes better at it.

But that's not enough for to make a live action drama worthwhile. There's not enough emotional payoff in it. So, they cut the number of characters by about 2/3rds and the number of plot points (mainly fight scenes) by about 9/10ths ... so that they could concentrate on the kinds of things that make characters into realistic, complex, subtle ... people. Especially Si Eun since it's his story after all.

The drama shows the profound isolation and loneliness that Si Eun has been living in. It shows the huge disconnect between him and his parents and between him and the whole world around him. Until he makes his first friends by standing out to defend himself and then to defend others as well.

In the webtoon, Si Eun is a quiet, brilliant pretty boy but in the drama, he's also probably neuro-divergent in at least a few ways ... and so it's a total miracle for him (and we feel it too) ... when he starts to really connect with just a few totally amazing people.

Which is the thing that makes the drama story so much richer and more compelling than the webtoon story ... as he tries and often fails to protect the people that he's coming to love. You realize that the stakes are clearly much higher. It's the depth and importance of those relationships that give the fights their purpose. He really has to win in the drama. It's essential. It's actually more than life or death. It's about his finally having more of a reason to live in the first place.

So, I get your point about the fights but I'm happy that there is so much more reason for the fights in the drama than there was in the webtoon. For me, the nature of print and the plot (over character) focus ... makes it too dry and too shallow compared to the tv drama.

He's joking about the lighthearted sitcom continuation, right?
Right? haha. please no.

The gang leader he was working for promised that he would come back to kill him if there were any more problems ... and he did. He killed him. And then he sent all those wreathes to the funeral which, I think, was a way to add insult to injury and imply heavily, to anyone left alive, what the power structure had been and who had made the move to end the lower level boss that had screwed up.

For the background:
They were both raised poor in difficult circumstances. NBJ was extremely grateful to PHM for not looking down on him for being an orphan, for coming to his rescue when he was being bullied and for teaching him how to fight. All things he'll never forget. All reasons why he will always want PHM to be his friend. All reasons why he wants PHM to continue accepting him and to continue being on his side.

But he's smart. And then he's both smart and powerful. And that goes to his head. He intends to make a whole lot of money through the Union. It's his fullproof ticket out of poverty ... the easier one that doesn't require the kindness of strangers who might eventually reject him. And he seems to like the lawlessness and aggression. Maybe he even becomes addicted to the power.

So he thinks it can benefit PHM too. He can benefit PHM too. Being in the Union together can extend their friendship and keep PHM onside. A win-win. And it will get money to the other kids like himself at the orphanage as well.

He just doesn't see the huge differences between himself and PHM. He doesn't see how PHM can never be a thug and a crook. He can't accept that his friend looks down on him for being a thug and a crook. So he refuses to let go. He keeps trying desperately to bring PHM into his fold somehow. And then he'll miraculously stay so that BNJ won't have to change his plan.

Actually, Si Eun nails it when he says that NBJ sees PHM as his only friend and brother ... someone that he can't let go of even when it's pretty clear that not letting go will be his downfall.

You can easily tell that they're ride or die besties by the way that they interact with one another. No two people are so obviously close that they can constantly tease each other and hang all over eachother lol like that without knowing and trusting each other for a long time. And HyunTak talks about how Baku stayed at his house whenever his dad got drunk ... which, as we can also tell ... would have been a regular kind of occurrence.

A comment I can totally agree with!!! And we got to it in the same way. TY :-)

Diva is how he's shown in the webtoon. The drama strips away the major tat work and jewellery but he's definitely a pretty boy in both versions. He's also a more weak looking smart boy, a thinker/tactician that people don't expect to be a fighter. Similar to Si Eun in many ways. He's quite expressionless with almost everything going on way below the surface. Profit is his main motive and that's the easiest thing to understand about him. You realize that there's some psychosis there but I don't think we're meant to understand him totally.

I binged season 1 and then binged season 2 in the same day and loved the flow from one right into the next. They are definitely two pieces of one whole; an excellent continuation. There was a necessary change in key, so to speak but Si Eun's story progression had to have an adjustment after what happened to him, and around him, in season 1. We needed a little bit more humour and we were given it so that we could all recuperate and heal a bit.

And the story was solid. For those who haven't read the webtoon, season 2 is much closer to it than season 1 was; in terms of both the characterizations and the plot. So, I hope that season 3 widens it out again to go beyond what was on the page.

The new cast was excellent and the call backs to the season 1 cast were really satisfying. You know what I mean but both felt necessary to me. I wonder if Beom Seok is still alive or if he really was killed when he got off the plane in the Philippines. Maybe we'll find out in season 3.

To be honest, I really don't understand a lot of the critique in this comment section and it bothers me that the two reviews I see first are so incredibly negative. I hope they don't keep anybody from watching something that is this good. I mean, neither of the two seasons is absolutely perfect or nitpick proof but the whole thing to this point is still a masterpiece to me.

This drama really should have a much higher rating. It's a sweet and slow slice of life providing us with a glimpse of an interesting point of time in history. The characters are realistic but fun and often very funny. There's a sense that life is small but still important. And it's just, overall, a really lovely drama. Don't try to watch it in a fast binge or anything. Pace yourself and enjoy the easy going nature of it. Savour just one or two episodes at a time and I think the characters will settle in with you and become your friends. By the end, they all felt like people I would like to have lived alongside. They're quite lovable in a really genuine way. So, it was an 8.5 to a 9.0 kind of drama for me.

The Grandmaster's slash was just barely preceded by a wave that hit FX. Did that also help him to regain his Qi flow?. And before that, the emporer seemed to transfer enough energy to wake him up after his being wounded had rendered him unconscious.
Also how did you know that the emporer and FX practice the same style? I wonder how that could be.

Were there rumours that he wasn't returning and he's laying them to rest? Or is it really only a goodbye for now kind of statement? Also does that mean back for the third instalment of a trilogy? Or will there be more than three? People who know?

Mizoguchi! I'm more partial to Kurosawa but only by a hair. Kurosawa did so many things well. Ikiru is my favorite film of all. But Mizoguchi knew the depth of people's relationships in a way that Kurosawa could never even get close to. And Ozu is just his own thing. Gorgeous moving still life that makes you hold your breath while you cry.

But, you know, I laughed so hard at Lovely Runner that my next door neighbour demanded to know what was so funny. And I was surprised how much I needed and enjoyed that laughter. Humour is such an individual thing but it's like food for me, in the sustenance way but also in the variety way. I love all kinds. :-)

Anyway, peace :-)

I'm afraid that this is only your opinion. Even though you keep stating it as if it's a fact.

It's possible to enjoy and value the quiet, realistic slice of life dramas and also see the merits of dramas that are aiming for grand themes and resounding laughter.

Perhaps art house is just your preference and you don't see that humour, in particular, is also an exacting art worthy of equal appreciation. It's not an uncommon thing for some people to think that there isn't the same kind of quality in a production that is particularly funny.

Truthfully, there are many quiet, slice of life dramas that some of us will think are better in quality than First Love. I enjoyed it but I also thought that it was a little bit flat and a little bit ordinary. It certainly didn't move me nearly as much as many other quiet little Japanese dramas and films have done. In fact, if you truly want to see what quality slice of life looks like, try out the work of Yasujiro Ozu.

On the other hand, I haven't encountered too many dramas that have made me laugh as often or as deeply as Lovely Runner did. And, to me, that kind of rarity also implies quality. It just doesn't have the same prejudicial snob factor.

Oh come on now. They're not in different leagues. They're in different categories.

One is a fantasy rom-com heavy on the romance and the comedy. The other is a realistic romance drama heavy on the romance and the drama but with absolutely no fantasy and absolutely no comedy at all.

Within their respective categories, they're both excellent at what they're trying to do. But they'll attract and please different people; people who want and are happy with different things.