grapejuice

After reading the webtoon first, I liked the drama better. s1 and s2. So, not everyone feels the same way. The drama has so much more subtlety and depth. It's moving. But that's partly due to the differences between the two mediums and the fact that they probably shouldn't be compared. imho.

Apparently, the filming has wrapped.

oh ... i loved it too. sooo underrated.

LoL. You weren't asking me ... and you have probably seen them but, just in case, Beyond Evil, Flower of Evil, Nobody Knows, Mouse and Black Out.

It is if you want it to be and it isn't if you don't want it to be ...

there are a couple of difficult fight scenes mainly because s2 pits him against much better fighters ... so he has to keep turning to his unorthodox weapons (including the pen and another sharp instrument) but ... they're telegraphed early enough for you to be ready to turn your head.

Be prepared for the rooftop fight and the final fight. they're both quite brutal because he must win ... but, you'll see them coming and ... in my mind they didn't hit as hard as the ep1, ep7 or the ep8 fights in season 1. Those were the ones that I found hardest to watch.

Also ... there's more humour in this second season. It's kind of zoomed out a bit from the close personal, psychological focus and retributions of s1.

Anyway, i hope you enjoy it all. I think you will.

He definitely exists in this season. In fact, his being there is incredibly important for the mood and si eun's development ... and, if we're lucky enough to get a part 3 he will, no doubt, have his own development once again. In the webtoon, he magically steps out of his coma ... at the very end of the story ... only si eun doesn't find out about it until he's back out in life all healed again. happy ending but extremely rushed :-)

oh my. you want a count? how about you just watch with your eyes closed for the bits you don't like ... there will be a few but it's still a good story

He desperately needs his friendship, approval, help because he values him most and doesn't fully trust anyone else.

I feel the same way that you're describing here. I couldn't even re-watch all of s1 even though I loved it so much ... but I could easily re-watch s2. Knowing what happens in the second half of 1 makes it too emotionally difficult. But I know that there isn't anything in 2 that's going to cause me too much pain. It was all really great though. And I'm looking forward to a s3 with everyone that we love in it.

I loved the first season but omg it was harsh. I've re-watched the first 4 episodes a number of times and then had to stop before the pain begins. S2 I can re-watch all the way through without feeling too badly beat up :-)

please don't listen to people who are saying that s2 is no good. s1 is excellent. It's hard hitting but amazing. And s2 is a good continuation. It's different, not as hard hitting with more funny moments ... that you will need after watching s1. So, please give them both a look. I have no idea why people are being so hard on the second instalment of what will probably be a trilogy. Anyway ... enjoy ...

Yes 'different' and 'incorrect' should be clarified.

You're mixing up something that's important when you say that your opinion is correct and other people's opinions are incorrect. Why?Because people have opinions rather than facts when it comes to things like art.

The correct distinction is as follows. Opinions are not fact. People's opinions are not factual. Your opinions are not some kind of objective statement of fact while other people's are different and incorrect.

The word 'correct' or 'incorrect' applies to statements of fact and things that can be proven. You can offer evidence to back up an opinion. You can state your reasons for holding an opinion.

But your reasons and your evidence do not make your opinion into a fact. Your opinion can be well supported or not ... but it is still just an opinion and someone else's opinion is still just their opinion. Neither of you are holding onto facts.

So, don't claim that your opinions are correct as if they are facts. Instead ... go to the dictionary to learn the next important and related distinction ... between what is subjective and what is objective.

I haven't even started this yet. I'm just skimming the reviews to see if I want to.

But, you know, I just have to say that you are way out of line with this comment. Painting everyone who doesn't like the things that you like ... as being shallow and stupid ... that's just extremely narrow minded and childish. Let other people have their own opinions and realize that other people may often dislike things that you might even cherish.

And that doesn't mean that they're in some way less than whatever you believe yourself to be. They may have a different experience of life and/or a different taste than you do. And so they won't agree with whatever you happen to be thinking.

Which means that it would probably be a good thing for you to step down as a self-declared arbiter of all good taste. Nobody has been mean to you by disagreeing with you in some demeaning or nasty way. So why are you coming out of the block to be condescending and unkind to anyone who doesn't see things your way?

I mean it can be rough when people cruelly write off the THINGS that we love, but that doesn't mean that we should cruelly write off the PEOPLE who don't share our love for those things. Be a decent person and allow other people to feel differently and disagree with you.

BJ and the union didn't keep watch on SE. BJ wanted to know what HM was up to and, when he learned there was an interesting new face around HM, he wanted to meet that new face. So, he had his 2nd in command go and get him and bring him in for an appraisal. There was obviously some jealousy over HM in all that. And so he clearly warns SE away from HM.

And then he finds that SE is probably as smart as he is, so he becomes more respectful towards SE than he is towards most of the guys he knows. And, that's enough respect to keep him from beating up on the smaller, weaker guy who doesn't have the kind of fight training that he received from HM. SE is much like he was before HM's training transformed him into a real fighter.

I feel the same way about BS. I can understand him... mostly ... but I can never forgive him for going full throttle when it was so completely unnecessary. He's quite a memorable character for being such a vile turncoat.

all of season 1 is a flashback in the webtoon. it's not exactly the same but it's similar and it just serves as a part of Gray's backstory.
season 2 by itself ... is a distilled (and altered for tv) version of the whole webtoon.

The easiest part first. Hu Min cares about Si Eun so much and so quickly because he's a sensitive person with a great deal of empathy. He and Si Eun are both people who obviously have a great deal of love for their friends. They feel a huge amount of responsibility for their friends and they carry a huge heavy weight of guilt because of what happened and is happening around their friends. And they know this about each other from their convo on volunteer work day. Hu Min then hears Si Eun talking about, and to, Su Ho when he's barely conscious after a fight. He and the other guys find out the whole story about what happened to SuHo and then, in the hospital,when he sees how extraordinarily desperate Si Eun is to get to his friend's side and for SuHo to be ok ... he cries ... just like we do ... because it's a totally heartbreaking situation. How can his heart not break for Si Eun especially when their experience is so similar. So, it's all pretty obvious don't you think? Not rushed. Completely understandable and completely believable.
And Baek Jin as well. We see how badly he's bullied in middle school. We see how apprehensive he is when Hu Min goes to the orphanage with him ... and how relieved he is that Hu Min doesn't care or judge him for his being an orphan. But HuMin is the only one who treats him well. Because he has to go to school with those rich kids. He's a scholarship student. He knows they don't like him. He feels his poverty acutely and he must surely experience a lot of condescension and scorn or even repulsion from the other students who are so much better off than he is.
How do we know this? Because he buys puffer coats for the orphanage kids. Everyone wears the same uniform but the rich show their superiority with the highest priced shoes, coats and bags. So, BaekJin closes that gap for the others. He goes into business and becomes a leader of a gang. It's the only way he can earn a lot of money ... at his age ... and he has the smarts to do it. He craves power as an antidote to his school experiences and he becomes ruthless to maintain the money, his independence and his new position of superiority. He may well be worried about having gotten into bed with the gangster. But no one else will dare to mess with him now. They shouldn't dare to look down on him. And he's only doing what others have done to him. So, no need for scruples. He's just doing what he must.

We learn that Baek Jin intends for the business to continue, get larger and become legit after school ends so he thinks that HuMin should be in it with him. For HuMin's sake and because he needs Hu Min to still love and approve and care for him. Since Hu Min was the only one ... Baek Jin is desperate to maintain that relationship above all others and he won't stop at much to make that happen because it's the only real and certain, genuine thing that he's ever had. So, Si Eun hit the nail on the head when he describes it to Baek Jin and you can plainly see on Baek Jin's face that Si Eun got it right. Exactly right.
So, I'm afraid that it isn't hard to fill in the gaps on Baek Jin. Those who are disenfranchised, demeaned and are badly bullied often become bullies too. That's the world so that's what they learn. Beom Seok is the same. And we know this. So, all you have to do is pay attention and use your head. Baek Jin's story is obvious especially when you consider Beom Seok's as well. They're actually quite similar.

Like I said, we need to agree to disagree. It's pretty obvious that we didn't read the same webtoon because we read it so differently from one another. And we didn't watch the same drama because we saw different things in it. You preferred the webtoon and I preferred the drama; each for our own reasons.

I don't need to be told in fine detail why people went the way and ended the way that they did. Why? Because it's not hard to figure it out on your own (in relation to Beom Seok and Baekjin both) just by looking at situations and reading between the lines. Good writers show rather than tell. And the complexity, the development, that we see in characters and the drama as a whole?

Start with the quotes that are given in episode one of each season and explore the themes that come from them. And really pay attention to the characters key thoughts, actions and dialogue at the important junctures. You'll see the differences and all the ways that both seasons of the drama are so much more subtle and complex than the webtoon could be. Because the mediums and the writing that go with them ... are just different. Much more can be done in a live action drama than in a webtoon.

The thing about being a weak hero is that you have to be vicious. Others are the aggressor. They hit first or they attack as a gang. They have the height, weight and reach advantage. And they have fight training or they have a lot of experience. So, the one that gets picked on ... is the one that fights back instead of fighting first or best. So, he HAS to be vicious and smart ... or he's just gonna be dead. He's outmatched and shouldn't even be there ... so he has to fight dirty and win or die. I think that's the whole point of fighting from the weak hero class.

Despicable isn't it? And it really is bringing the rating down so I hope they're getting their petty kicks out of it ... because the drama deserves much better. Giving it a 6 or a 7 is just ridiculous.