Ok right off the bat...the chemistry is electric, and it's immediately compelling.I really adore Min and Tor.…
Only one episode in and the evil characters are already so awful and vile. The brother abused a girl he impregnated into a miscarriage (which honestly, I'm glad she and her unborn baby weren't condemned to a lifelong link to this ass). His step mom full on abused Tor as a kid. The sister seems awful too, and I feel so bad for Min because her mom and sister seem like way too much to deal with and I know its a lakorn so "family is family" or whatever but I'd immediately take my dad and dip. I really wanna see them get their comeuppance.
So the stepmom, she'll do some HEINOUS shit, and then the show will juxtaposition it with her being on the Chair of the Human Rights Committee or some shit and I think that's soooo clever but it also makes me sad and devastated to know that this is what the world IS like. The most evil people hold the highest positions in society
I hate entitled, unreasonable characters the MOST and lakorns are an expert at creating these characters, and these characters are usually family who end up being forgiven. Like how can you demand and extract all the money out of your youngest daughter and then treat her like shit
I love every morsel of interaction between Min and Tor we get. I love how immediate their connection is even if Tor is denying it, like he's instantly stressed when he thinks that she thinks that he hurt his friend ALSO IDK WHY MIN WENT TO LUNCH WITH THAT SCUMMY DICKHEAD but anyways Tor is so frickin hot...intense gaze...I think he's gonna trap the Prodigal Son through gambling debt hehehe love to see it
Wait...Kwan seems nice to Min?? And Min genuinely missed her? It'd be nice if they had a nice sisterly relationship (but then the Tor thing would be harder to swallow, but also ideally it would be scrapped altogether). I just don't understand how Min is singlehandedly funding the house. The FL does literally whatever is asked of her, and I get it like the consequences would be annoying (Min why didn't you come? Min why didn't you tell me?) But I hope we see her break away from it. Literally why does her mom HATE her wtf shy is she sat like a servant serving everyone, is she not the mom's real child or smth. I like that she speaks up when it really matters to her (ab her dad) but she def is too nice.
I rllllly dont wanna see Tor get close to Kwan, like not real but idw see it and I def don't want Min to see it YEP THERE IT IS she's not her bio daughter. I think min said this as a kid I missed it. "Learn how to say no sometimes" YAS
I'm...literally feverish. Tor. The heat. HOLY CRAP. Also, I just LOVEEE how his revenge (so far) is just using their natures against them. Evil stepmom - the more she can't have it, the more she wants it. Jackal Son - impulsive and stupid and all bravado without substance. Doofus just bet 50 mil and I LIVE for the fact that Tor goaded him and his smirk ewkfnenfjfnjf gahhhh
Bro LMFAO nvm. The sister immediately turned, it didn't even take much. Min is literally just worried about her, asking about Sila, and Kwan is like "have I been too good to u? Ur not even my real sister" bro lmfao. I rlly rlly hate this in lakorns...Min is so nice, Min is so sweet, no matter what awful things her sister or mom says or does to her, they're still family. And that frustrates me to nooo end. I hate that her only supporter, her dad, has Alzheimer's. These two are characters no one listens to/gives any importance except to exploit. But you know what, with all of this...my heart is squeezing and the intensity I feel at this pairing, two people who've rlly been hurt by the people meant to protect them..I'm T__T Really good setup for really good chemistry.
HOLY CRAP THAT WAS LEGIT A SLAP THEN A KISS WKGNKJWRNGKJ ok but omfg.....o___o the fire. I never thought I'd be into slap/kiss and the ones I've briefly seen I've hated but this one was rlly good somehow...maybe it's the way that he's so affected? anyways I rlly don't want Min to interfere with Kwan bc Kwan doesn't see/accept goodwill.
This show is interesting to me because I'm actually invested in the plot BEYOND the romance. A lot of it so far hasn't even had Min in it, but I'm still fully paying attention. BUT when Min, and esp Min and Tor DOOO come on, that's always easily the best times lOL "that car wasn't expensive or new" ok then replace it. u pauper. like how are y'all justifying taking her car that she made payments for, that SHE needed to drive. to her work. where she goes, to feed y'all. "I thought you loved me and wanted me to be happy. Guess u lied, since ur unloved and want to be loved" lmfaoooooooo I'd leave this family so fast I'm all for collectivism in society but that doesn't mean standing for constant abuse.
Kwan is /the worst/ tor is fuming seeing how she treats Min and I'm his mirror right now what a nasty person, I'm down for her revenge I'm gonna just pretend he /pretends/ to sleep w her LOL. What's interesting to me though is that whenever he's "flirting" with Kwan or whenever he's around her, his expression never fully relaxes. His "in love" "enamoured" looks have like a tiny element of disgust I love this actor for doing it so well I think his acting makes the script way more palatable!!!!!!
I also really love Min. Someone told me before that she speaks her mind but no one listens, and that's it! But she still is brave enough to keep speaking her mind and she's the smartest on the show I swear. Also Kwan's mom is Kwan's only friend kdnfkgnkrj I wonder why lmao I feel so bad for my baby Min gahhhh I hate Kwan SO SO much
Holy crap I rlly love Min-Tor interactions so much. Min to Tor: "If he's alive, he's been granted a second life. That's a blessing, why would he want to stay in the past?" this girl is so astute like her words HIT. Kwan beat the shit out of Min, and honestly when Tor said "cruel people like that need to meet someone even crueller like me" and low-key even tho I know the lakorn will teach the opposite message or whatever...I agree. Goodness gets exploited by evil, not appreciated.
BRO. The sparks between these two despite what's happened also they play this track that goes "I need to get you out of my headddd" and the way he looks at her is so intense gahhh
EP 11 Idk how Sila is like "just wait for me Min" like....you can't just be Sila now Tor later u know? And this is also why I DEF can't believe he sleeps with Kwan as in I haven't gotten to the scene but right now I can't imagine him doing that and it must be fake..Also he's like "I can't believe you'd arrest me / sure if this will appease your anger I'll be arrested" when the dude kept holding her against her will like THAT'S why ur going to jail for 2 seconds. why would that appease her anger for it all.
She's like, earnestly begging him to leave her alone 🥺 Anyways Kwan is once again beating the shit out of Min and she thinks it's her right, but Min literally accidentally slapped her in self defene and Kwan is so incredulous about it
EP 12 NOOOO THEY'RE KISSING Kwan and tor T__T like I knew it'd happen I guess but can we go back to 2001 when its like very clearly edited kjwefnwjfn idw see it but tbh for real if I were min I just wouldn't be able to kiss tor again knowing my SISTERS LIPS were on his BLEHHH he wasn't into it and he was looking at her with hate but I hate this ugh BUT they didn't have sex. someone told me that the scene is in ep 13 and I am convinced Kwan is gonna be drunk so he can lie to her about it
Min was asleep calling for Tor so he went beside her and she like curled into his lap and his FACE he doesn't even know what to do he's so soft for her im cryinnggg 🥺 🥺 🥺
EP 13 Nope. I was wrong....they rlly do sleep together v_v Lmfao Kwan. You yell and beat her up when she tries to warn you, you yell and beat her up when you fall for it anyway. Loser ass soul. I know Tor was deep in his revenge mindset and he does love Min or whatever but men rlly have one thing and it's the audacity. Wait, why tf. does Min wanna call Sila WHY IS HE ACTING SO RIGHTEOUS DUDE U SLEPT WITH HER SISTER??? Tor to Min, after sleeping with her sister "Did I do such a horrible thing?" BRUV LMFAO "Were u trying to keep me away from ur sister bc u care about her or about me" u slept with her SISTER SHUT UP SHUT UP also it's so aggravating because Min WAS trying to protect both of them. She knew from the getgo that it wa with ill will Tor approached, and that Tor also needed to free himself from the hole of revenge hes in.
EP 14 omg. THANK GOD. she explicitly said it! u slept with my sister, now ur harassing me. her voice is so hoarse and cracked I feel so BAD for my baby Minnnnn "what I did to ur sister and what I did to u are different" stfu u slept with her sister. min shut the blinds on this fool
EP 15 She's apologizing to him for misunderstanding that he hurt Aoy and Mhisee but HE SLEPT WITH HER SISTER BROOOOO IDK MAN I WOULDNT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT HIM much less TOUCH him. they need to talk about THIS.
EP 16 Dude...it's like Min is already over the fact that he slept with her SISTER??? Min was literally more upset with Tor BEFORE he slept with his sister. I can't focus on the plot because with everything happening, the chances of this not really mattering keep going up and I HATE that. Why write it in
EP18 Bro. She's like hugging him from behind, begging him to stay with her, begging him not to hurt anyone else. He shrugs her off and to himself he says, "ive come too far to be Tor again" DIDNT HE LITERALLY BEFORE TELL HER TO WAIT FOR HIM my LORD and the way that everything he did before made her MORE upset and hate him more than sleeping with her sister!! bro! I cant get over that and idk how they both did immediately. LIKE he hasn't had to really DO anything. Hasn't had to beg for her forgiveness or ANYTHING. He's just all revenge and sheeee is the one going to him and I hate that! That's what I was worried about!
I think all the things I was afraid of are kinda happening....like that he slept with her sister barely had an impact both on his own behaviour or on hers. he didn't really have to do anything. like didn't reflect, doesn't even think its a big deal he slept with her, didn't apologize, and now its just Min trying to chase him to stop his revenge from hurting other people so it didn't even matter that it happened. I hate that the writers wrote this plot line in for it to basically be ignored...I could be wrong because 9 eps to go but from how they're all acting rn.....like idk even if it were a justified action, even if I could understand it, even if I could FORGIVE it, it would be SO HARD for me to look at, much less TOUCH a man who was intimate with my own sister T__T and for Min to not even really ruminate over it? like I think there was one scene, the moment it was happening, where she cried, and that's it...
I think it's so weird that this isn't a barrier, not even a little bit, to their romance. that's prob what gets me the most - this should rationally ABSOLUTELY be something that makes it hard for Min to be romantically involved with Tor and I really wish HE had to reckon with that fact - his actions are directly impeding him from his true love u know and the fact that it isn't is really breaking my immersion with their romance which up until this point I LOVED.
Tor got hurt in a bombing by Sida and like obv thats. gonna be the plot now right. Min is gonna take care of him and they'll be in love. SO aggravating, such a cop out.
EP19?20? idk I been skipping... R u kidding me. How tf was the Aunt SO unprepared that she was overpowered on her OWN territory. I just skipped the entirety of that episode...maybe this isn't something I can binge? bc im just annoyed LOL I can't believe Mam died, and like THAT?? so ineffectual??
I feel so bad for min. I think im also just so sad at what I thought the direction of this show would/could be and like the chemistry still there, the depth of the relationship still there but idk. BUT Kwan is rlly showing Min how awful of a person she is and I do at least like that. To some extent...Kwan never considered Min her sister. To some extent I can forgive it, but not entirely, when I think about how Min DOES still see Kwan as family.
omg Min SLAPPEDDDDD Kwan YASSSSSS I LOVE that. Dude Kwan is so scary she threatened to send Min to be raped by Ae.
"You never treated me as your sister anyways. I won't give in to you. If I'm not wrong, I'll fight back." YESSS MINNN I LVOE TO SEE IT.
Wait wtf THEYRE GETTING MARRIED? THat makes noooo sense to me. They haven't resolved anything, they dont even REALLY know each other anymore you know? Their whole relationship so far has just been high intensity. Also like...Kwan was literally like "I slept with him and now you want to too?" and its SO GROSS and she just has to listen to it
Man I hateee itttt Kwan was like "I slept with him, now you want to too? You're a mistress" And Min couldn't say anything. Tor had to be like "I slept with many women before you, does that make you a mistress?" Which ya sure, that owns Kwan but I'd feel like shit if I were Min lmao man I feel so bad for her
OMG Kwan is point blank saying all the things like “those hands that touched you held me, those lips that kissed you kissed me. Aren’t you disgusted with yourself?” And I love that. I love that Min stood up for herself too.
I don’t love her response, like to me she just looks sad. But it’s fine whatever I’m going to let this go for my own peace LOL
Omg omg ooo do I sense a little just a litttle bit of hesitation on min? THAT is all I wanted like just to see her be a little affected and need a little time and for tor to be like ok man that was a dumb move and it’s hurting both of us
HE FINALLY APOLOGIZED. FINALLY. FINALLLYYYYYYY
Omg. This convo is everything I wanted. “It’s not easy for me to look past your past. But I have to, because I only have two choices. One, I can’t move forward with you if I’m stuck in the past. Or two, in order to move forward with you, I have to forget your past with Kwan.”
Min is so freaking wise and emotionally intelligent I love her so so so much. I love that this convo is explicitly written in. All my feelings of discontent are mostly gone LOL
And what I LOVEDD and RELISHEDDD is i think that Kwan’s words affected Tor more than anyone else. And I love that. He also looked so stressed when Min was talking so calmly about leaving him if she can’t forget the past. I LOVEEEE that
I love how utterly flustered and undone Tor is by Min. Their scenes are so cute again hehehe he’s kinda shy kekeke
Also the Sida thing doesn’t make sense to me. Like she just found out he’s Tor and she was like ok bail me out to her henchman. Why didn’t she do that before? What difference does it really make that he is Tor like she hates him enough already
omg BROOOOOO Ae hit Min and Tor literally SHOT the hand that hit her my jaw DROPPED that was so hot lmfAOOOOO
Oh man. Tor is sooo mad at Min...yikes. THIS SCENE OOHOHOHOHO they're about to sleep together and it's literally scorching hot im sweating ugh I love that we get cute scenes of them again I rlly didnt think id be able to recover from how the plot was going
Kwan is such a narcissist lmfao thats why I hate her so much. But anyways, they both got abducted, and Kwan was begging for her life. But Min asked for Kwan to be let go "because then, if she makes it out alive, at least my parents will have someone to look after them. I'm worried about my mom and dad" And I think in that moment, Kwan even realized how selfish she is in comparison.
HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT SIDA ENDED UP SHOOTING HER OWN SON //THREE TIMES// IN THE BACK HOLY CRAP now THAT is retribution u cant even plan that shit omFG
Min got shot twice. Ik she's gonna survive it but damn one of them musttt have hit a vital organ...but Tor went so crazy. He's sitting outside the OR room crying rn and asking his mom and aunt for their help and tearfully promising he won't do this anymore T___T poor baby
EP27
What a wild ride. Im glad none of my favs died T_T omfg im SO GLAD Sida didn't die? She deserves to be alive yikes. I really admire Min's philosophy EXCEPT. Forgiveness is one thing, not taking revenge or acting in a harmful way is good too, and but imo I think it's justifiable to remove yourself from people who repeatedly harm you, even if they're family.
LFMAOOOOOOO the way Tor has pregnancy symptoms LMFAO I bet he'll be the type to see the havoc it causes and be like ok ok no more kids but let's continue the theory LMKFKGEROGJNE
REWATCH EP 8 Damn Tor and Min make me forgive so much because this man was literally taunting her at this point saying "ur someone who doesnt mind sharing the same man as her sister" omg 😭
EP 13 bro idk he literally slept with her sister what, today? and now hes making heavy moves towards her and is completely unrepentant? yikes
EP 22 not this man being called used shoes by the love of his life LMFAOOOOOOO
Ok right off the bat...the chemistry is electric, and it's immediately compelling.
I really adore Min and Tor. Min is a fantastic character and Tor's acting (as Tor LOL) its so incredible that I really think it makes the script and plot a lot more palatable than it might've been otherwise. Them together was CAPTIVATING to watch. They're so frickin cute.
Fern is such a talented actress, and so pretty, and Tor is literally hotter than temperatures known to mankind. Seriously he is scorching, the way he looks at her...his eyes..how clear it is he loves her...oof. Then, the way he wears hatred and intensity and a calculated smirk. Then, the way he's vulnerable or shy or losing his mind in grief...my goodness
I love Min. Even if I disagree with her sometimes, I find her admirable as a character. And I think she stayed true to herself throughout
Ik this is a suspense thriller so chances are low but I just want to see Mark do ROMANCE like a full on romance a la forever sunshine or husband in law plsssss I need it T_T I love bow too! she's so pretty
OMG you know what would be so great...If this cast came back to do another lifetime. They said these two were…
WHILE WATCHING
Me thinking he's so indifferent and nonchalant is def familiar, but I forgot that it was a personality trait he explicitly gets called out on (or at least it gets mentioned. "Your indifference makes you not know the people around you!") I hope we actually see this fleshed out though, like him actually paying attention and wanting to finally get to know Moei.
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ep 6 - he's so mean and callous with her in the beginning that I'm keeping tabs and he has to suffer/grovel/pine in proportionate amounts - I'm p sure first watch through was me excited and loving the buildup to me being disappointed by how easy it all was for him...LOL but no matter how mean he is...Moei keeps her poise. I love her so frickin much. I rlly rlly rlly want to see her TRULY come to a moment of, "ok. this is not working out. I gave it my all but he isn't reciprocating so I have to move on"
----- Mark Prin tho...fml, I am weak in the knees for him. The way he stares, the way he looks so curious and like maybe he's seeing her for the first time? Like he's trying to figure her out. He plays cruel and callous so well and then he plays sweet and loving so well too im in a toxic relationship with him in my head lerngkjbgkjg
------- Ep 7 - he literally left her alone in a dangerous situation I am keeping them TABS. Also, I forget why Moei did the whole hacker thing and I forget if it was explained or not but I def hope it is EDIT: Oh wait ya I remember the boss asked her to - ok so now my new hope is Tien appropriately repents for all his cruelty lOL
I know she's fallen in love with him from TIME, and I can even see why but...I wish the way that he REPEATEDLY shows her that he doesn't care actually deeply registered with her at least once. Like, ok this guy does not give one shit about me, I have to move on. He was following her the whole time sure, but 1) she doesn't know that and 2) that doesn't make up for it imo, it's just a weird move
UGH ok so the fact that Moei was undercover was revealed and he's mad. He's always mad, and it's always her who has to worry about him being mad even though literally just yesterday she was upset with the realization that he doesn't care about her
Still ep 7 and he's furious and sulking and to some extent I get it but I'm sooooo unsympathetic and he's telling her "as ur superior u did a good job, but I'm ur husband too" when have u EVER been her husband like you deny it all the time but NOW it's convenient? I'm just...I hate the shift of burden onto her in that she's so easily affected by his changing moods and he hurts her over and over again she's cried like a million times but it's never him apologizing, it's him getting angry and then her trying to appease him. like she's leaving for Myanmar and I wish she just left without Tien saying anything to her. He was basically like, you failed as a wife and took advantage of my kindness BRO WHERE?? and now THAT's what she's going to think about entirely
I JUST....I really really really need Tien to make up for all his bullshit in a way that is satisfactory, but I just don't know if we'll get it because Moei is SO in love with him that she will forgive and forget anything.
------ The other thing is, he's made it abundantly clear with both words and actions that he is NOT interested in her. It doesn't matter if he actually IS, but he's saying he's not and he's doing things to show he's not. I actually really wish Moei would for once, truly respect his decision. This is on her too tbh
------- Ok....I'll admit it....for all my bravado and insistence on Tien getting some good karmic retribution for his words and actions....I am melting seeing him melt at Moei. Very tsundere
------ Ep 10, at the scene where he's drunk and they're looking at the moon and she's apologizing for all the trouble she's caused - low-key kinda loving this. Loved their interactions when Tien was taking care of Moei after her injury. I also, right now, DO think that Moei is accepting the fact that she needs to move on. I love that she gave it her all, and gave it her all one final time, and now is saying goodbye.
As much as I pick on Tien, all of this is pretty unfair to him to. Mind you. the tally of meanness vs retribution still isn't balanced but this tricksy show kinda made me forget, just by how much I love seeing the changes in Tien. But his excessive meanness aside, he was forced into a marriage he didn't want (albeit it was for his own safety), constantly pestered and pursued by a girl he repeatedly said he'll never be interested (not only by her, but by his family too). She forced his way into his life, made him get used to her and used to her love, and then she unilaterally is making the decision to end it. Everything has been on her terms, she gave him multiple chances but to him, they were given before he was ready.
I still....idk like I'm enjoying this a lot but I guess there's a lot I wish happened or I wish we could see? Tbf lots left to go but idk just based on the trajectory..idk idk we'll see. The chemistry between the two though, and how the actors bring their characters to life...it's incredible. It's easily one of the biggest draws and why the script is working as well as it is.
There's something that's just so watchable about this lakorn to me. I love that there aren't any unnecessary and drawn out side plots. Other than the uncomfortable rape and battery scenes of the SFL in the beginning, there hasn't been much of that either. I like all the characters, I enjoy watching them all interact. I'm genuinely having a good time, even if all the things I wanted weren't and aren't being met.
BRO IM CRYING HOW U GONNA TELL ME THAT TIEN WAKES UP HUNGOVER AND SOMEHOW STILL MANAGES TO RUN AND CATCH UP TO THE VAN MOEI WAS IN. SHE WAS ALREADY BOARDED AND THE VAN WAS MOVING. HE WOKE UP AND CAUGHT UP??? NAUR Anyways all it took was one shot of breathless, mad Mark Prin through the window of the van to make me instantly forgive this
This frickin guy. I was having the time of my life, enjoying the hell out of this scene, only for him to kill the mood by pulling out his old and overused "HERE IS A BUNCH OF WORK AS PUNISHMENT" card I swear to god if this man were not this hot.........pretty privilege is too real. Lowest of keys tho...I'm obsessed with how STRESSED he is at the idea of her leaving him. I love it. I relish it. I want more of it..
------ Gahhhhhhh it was Arthit in Forever Sunshine and now Tien in this. It's the way he becomes so DETERMINED. Once he's made up his mind, he will love and cherish and protect her forever man im so WEAK
Ugh lorddd they got me good...it's cute man...but at the end there was a preview for ep 11 and I literally forgot about the mob dude and SFL ugh idw deal with that LOL
----- I'll think oh I wish this happened or I wish it was like this or I'll be like wtf but thennnnnnnnnn they have the cutest and most candid scenes together that brings out the best in both personalities and im like kejrgnejkrgn help
------- WAIT THEY'RE NOT GONNA SLEEP TOGETHER RIGHT...LIKE SHE DOES LOOK LIKE SHE SOBERED UP A BIT BUT NOT NEARLY ENOUGH TO PROCESS WHAT'S ALL GOING ON
oh my god. they did. she was like, umm hey maybe let's not do this tonight, and he was like don't u love me? we're married and then he was like 'u might get mad at me tomorrow but I'm doing this because I love u' bro.....((please im begging if anyone reads this pleaseee dont reply with trying to contextualize this by using culture as an excuse)
----- Ok so I was wrong before...she becomes standoffish, scared, and fleeting from the relationship. I see how some may be frustrated, but actually...I kinda rlly enjoy this right now? I might change my mind but idk I think it makes sense that she doesn't trust his feelings for her. She's so used to hearing him say the meanest things and in a way that's so final "I'll never fall in love with a woman like her" and over and over again. And like, he's more heavy handed actions than words. He has made it pretty clear that he loves her and wants to marry her, but she's confused and I think it's easy to make up a lot of diff scenarios to explain it away "he just feels guilty, he' s worried about money" than to hope and be hurt again. I wanted Tien to suffer a bit, and persist in HIS pursuit for her for a bit, and change a little to accommodate how SHE likes to be loved, and I think we might be seeing that? 👀 we'll see
He's like insisting on their marriage and something between not even caring about her opinion and just being super sure that her choice will be him. And that does make sense, she has shown through her words and actions that she will do anything for him. He got to know her, experienced briefly what it might be like to lose her, really got to bask in how she adores him, and so he switched up. But his switch up freaked her out so SHE switched up LOLLL But anyways she's asking him to answer a few questions about her, and if he can, she'll agree to the marriage. She's so sardonic, and sure he can't and tbh I bet she's RIGHT. Idk I love this level of angst I was begging for it LOLL
But also, Tien's "What about us?" :'( Troy could never (jk love troy bolton)
He really IS being confronted with the fact that he doesn't KNOW HER. Just like in the beginning, your indifference prevents you from knowing people. But he actually, for the first time, wants to get to know someone. She's making points. She's spent her whole life loving him and learning about him. It's not his fault, but still, she did, and she needs to figure out herself. On the other hand, he just discovered this love, and now she's stepping away before he gets to explore it, I love it
I'M LITERALLY LIVINGGG FOR THIS CONVO BETWEEN THEM
----- Start of ep 12 - I was so wrong. All the times he's been careless and callous are being thrown back at him and I LOVE IT
It might be a little messy ad unclear the way they do it, but things DID come full circle. Moei realizing she has to take care of herself too, she's also important to people around her and she can't squander that by focusing only on Tien. The idea of like her realizing he's been waiting for someone who's not her - and we saw this in a scene too, with Tien and Moei at the temple when he prayed for the love of his life to come along BUT he was staring at her a lot too since he was starting to fall for her. It's just the timing of these two...BUT I LOVE IT LMFAO
Ep13 - So he wrote her a letter and explicitly and sincerely apologized for everything in the past, which I appreciate. I was worried that this would be him being like "ya im the worst I dont deserve ur love go be free" cos I would've been SO pissed, but he said (not in the letter) "I'll never doubt ur love again" so I truly hope that's not the case...bc that would be so cowardly and I'd have to revoke my ship tbh. Like if it falls on her again t coax him back, I'm outtie. I RLLY FRICKIN HOPE SHE ACTUALLY GOES ABROAD TO STUDY and he shows that his love can also be unwavering and true. He signed the divorce agreement, but I hope it's so he can marry her properly.
Ok, so there's been a two month time skip. Tien looks haggard as heck, and he keeps seeing mirages of Moei doing things around his home. Definitely that indifference from the beginning has completely been ripped off, this is a dude deeply in love and also pining. Good. HOWEVER....if that's his whole thing? He realized he loved her, set her free, and just wallowed around....idk I'm still disappointed. Again, I want him to FIGHT for her but not in the way he was doing before where he would make decisions and force it on her. I want him to coax her, to woo her, to romance her and "hit on her" u know T__T All those questions she asked that he wasn't able to answer, I want to see him try his best to learn the answers, to learn HER. Go abroad, study, I'll follow you type shit. we'll see if that happens even a little...
He looks like the life in him is gone, and the mom's like "Listen, idk if you rlly love her or not, but if you're sincere, you have to prove it." YAS mom and then later he visits Moei's mom and literally goes on his knees to apologize for his behaviour and tells her that he didn't divorce because he doesn't still love Moei, and the mom was like "u should tell her this and you should try to get her back" YASSS he's asking her mom to tell him about her, which is cute, but I really really need to see him confront HER and convince HER that he is interested and I want him to learn things about her from her yk AND NOW I THINK THAT IS THE PLAN TBH
Also I'm not upset Moei didn't study abroad. Idt she really wanted to, but I appreciate that she's genuinely trying to get over him when she's loved him her entire life basically
----- NOOOOOOOOO IS SHE PREGNANT?? TELL ME SHE'S NOT BECAUSE I WAS LITERLALY LIKE WOW OMG WHAT WAS I THINKING BEFORE THIS IS GOING GREAT BUT IF SHE'S PREGNANT THEN GAHHHHHH
lmfao. she is. she's fucking pregnant. that's why she couldn't go abroad. she's pregnant from the time he literally coerced her into sex when she was drunk. ok....they literally haven't even talked and now he knows she's pregnant and I hate that and I hate that she's pregnant UGHHHH
SHE'S SAYING it too man. She's like, I wanted to go abroad for 2 years, figure myself out but also give you the time and space to see if you need me in your life but you got me pregnant. I AM SO SO SO FRICKIN UPSET and its ep13/15 too so like how tf else are they gonna make me mad godd I HATEEEE the pregnancy plots SO tricking MUCH
Ok...this is gonna sound really messed up...but the preview for E14 kinda indicates she might have a miscarriage. And tbh....I would really appreciate that. like if they have a baby right now, as they are, then there will always be a part of her that wonders if he just stayed for the baby, and a part of her that questions his love. They also aren't secure as a couple to be co-parenting a whole human child. I also just HATE what pregnancy does to a romance story if it wasn't the original plot. Plus, the loss and hardship of this would probably really bring out what kind of couple they are and how they are supportive of each other. MAN what a freaking emotional rollercoaster, but ya....if miscarriage, I'm ok again..
Ok it's really frickin cute to watch him learn how to sew and do all these little things to take care of her. He will be a good husband T___T also, I rlly like the OST also he's such a literal idiot lmaoooo he said some shit like "ur so kind how r u so cruel to me, didnt u say u loved me" and she's NOT having it LMFAOO but he said "You can keep driving me away, but I'm not going anywhere" YESS this is what I wanted to hear.
SEE SEE SEE SEE the pregnancy and baby (justifiably) supersedes the romance, and that's fine for real life but it's NOT WHAT I WANNA BE WATCHING like she's kinda being pressured to compromise what she wants for her and Tien (time and space apart bc of the baby
You know what I love...she hasn't smiled at him in such a long time. She used to always smile, and so brightly too but she hasn't in forever. I'd love it if they wrote that in, like him noticing that and lamenting also IM FRICKIN DYINNGGG HER PREGNANCY NAUSEA WAS KICKING UP AND SEEING HIS FACE MADE HER MORE NAUSEOUS JKRGNKJEGNR
oho she's wavering and I love it. I was wrong as hell before, she def didn't make it easy for him, but I loveeee how she's a little touched and u can seeee it
"I'm worried there's something wrong with the baby" "don't worry, no matter what, it's still our baby." LOVELY RESPONSE TIEN ugh I shit on him but I love him a lot mark prin is also ruining my life. ok they did a literal ultra sound, we all saw the baby, we know the gender...it's too personal now, it would be crazy to miscarriage now...
She's straight up saying "If we don't love each other, we shouldn't have a child together, that won't keep us together" and I love that candidness and he is so good natured in his response, so cute and softly smiling in an exasperated way, and says to her "help me figure out how to convince you to stay with me" and MAN THIS SCENE WAS SO FRICKIN CUTE she starts sobbing and he's like o__o and he goes over to give her tissues at the same time she goes over and just gives him the biggest hug im crying like she rlly rlly wanted to trust him but it was hard but he really did persist and she finally lets her guard down AWHWHHWW ok ... they def shouldn't do a miscarriage...he just needs to explicitly say one time that he loves her and loved her before the baby, and we're good. end it there, with them married and expecting their first son...(1.5 episodes to go LMFAO)
Ok so Moei is showing troubling signs in her pregnancy and Tien just got a call from the doctor saying it's not good so he decides to go to the doc ALONE to find out what happened and then decides not to tell her. I kinda get it, he doesn't want her to get anxious and aggravate the condition. But DUDE this is what got u into trouble repeatedly!!! Not trusting her to be able to take care of herself, not including her in your decision making, not respecting her agency. This is gonna backfire I know it...Also, it's HER health and her body! In his anxiety he gets super controlling and bro u gotta sort that out
This show is tossing me around like a damn rag doll. CUTEST scene again. He was like, I've been with a lot of women and she groaned and he was like but only u got into my heart AND HE SMILED SO CUTELY GAH Moei is also so mischievous and cute gosh I love her so darn much ~cue to foreboding and ominous scene of Tien scared he's gonna lose either the mom or baby or both. But this is the thing...he still doesn't know what it means to be in a relationship. It's a PARTNERSHIP where you carry burdens together. He tries to do everything by himself. He's SOOO stressed out though I feel so bad for him he's having nightmares and calling her name T_T
The show is doing this really well though. The makeup to makeup Moei look more gaunt. The ANXIETY in Tien dude he jumps every time she moves LOL BROO SHE'S ASKING YOU SHOULD ANSWER u little dummy my god but also he's so playful and cute like so sweet after falling in love I have mixed feelings about this whole plot line
He's sobbing in the shower and I feel so bad but I keep thinking..he's getting all this extra time to grieve. Like he doesn't know it, I still suspect miscarriage and if that happens, he's gone through a lot of anxiety and grief because a part of him knew it to be possible. She will be BLINDSIDED. Her baby will be gone and she'll find out her husband hid the truth of her health. She might even blame herself before finding this out for MAX ANGST gah...I love a good angst but only in appropriate dosages...
The preview for 15 not looking good...WAIT. I WAS WRONG??? THE BABY WAS BORN AND HONESTLY LOOKS FAT AND HEALTHY? wait I must have somehow missed it but they're twins. anyways her condition isn't getting better .. the way I rlly thought they'd die to the end but I'm glad they didn't. I said what I said before but they did circumvent my concerns and after a certain point I was def hoping against the miscarraige/death foreshadowing. this is def dragged out a little bc this ep is just flashbacks and sad music...ok 3/4 way, getting cute again!! THE WEDDING
They look so in love 🥺 Also the way Chet and Nott were resolved..sucked, but it's fine I skipped that whole plot lol Kao Feng and Sang were cute hehe OK OK OK the way he brought the hacker girl voice back I'm digging it
HONESTLY for all it's faults it's super cute T__T I rlly am convinced by this pair and all the hardships they went thru but still his control issues need work LOL I think all the things I wanted were more or less satisfied, the flashbacks and directing got messy but it's all fine bc Moei and Tien really got me on a hook.
Tien really is a good husband and a good father. He works and takes care of the house too and I appreciate that a lot LMAO god they're so freaking cute together like they really are a couple in love, building a family
BRUV HOW IS HE GONNA SAY HE WANTS MORE KIDS I actually expected him to say the opposite. If my wife went through this much trauma I would never want her to go through a pregnancy again. Do I wish that they had resolved all these things (Moei's independence, Tien's realization of his love, making up for past words/actions) without the use of this pregnancy/health plot line? Yes, and I still dk don't like how they framed the whole keeping it from her, OR HOW THEY RLLY INCLUDED RAPE which I AM minimizing.
You should watch the WHOLE drama to know then :)Even tho I hate the scene but I still love the drama.
omfg DUDE there was this drama I was watching and loving soooo much and exactly this happened.- the ML went crazy, and the FL's reaction was 'ooo maybe I love him' I'm scarred lol. ok I'll be back sliding into ur DMs 😄
You should watch the WHOLE drama to know then :)Even tho I hate the scene but I still love the drama.
No for sure I think that’s mature that after it’s resolved, it’s not thrown in his face again. I meant forgive and forget immediately, but from what ur saying it sounds like no she actually does get uoset and she does have to take time to process her feelings and what this means for them. I hate the trend in lakorns where ML will do some crazy shit only for FL to immediately be ok with it. The family thing...ya I’m used to that. I hate it but it is what it is, my primary focus is romance so I am less forgiving on that.
I rlly appreciate ur responses though and I’m kinda excited to try it out no matter which direction my feelings go LOL I’ll let u know 👀
You should watch the WHOLE drama to know then :)Even tho I hate the scene but I still love the drama.
You’re saying though that 1) the ML had a proper reckoning with his actions and has a satisfactory level of grovelling to do 2) the issue isn’t swept under the rug 3) the FL actually has agency and speaks up for what she wants and what she thinks and it takes her a while but it’s realistic the way she’s able to forgive
If that’s what ur telling me then maybe I should try it 😭😭 Another comment or below mentioned that they tried to contrast vengeance for ML with forgive and forget with FL and that really turned me off to it
You should watch the WHOLE drama to know then :)Even tho I hate the scene but I still love the drama.
Tbh my exposure to lakorn would prob let me be ok with it but only if he really truly deeply suffered the consequences of his actions (as opposed to previous commenter who said the FL was upset but it kinda just got forgotten/forgiven)
Moei is so frickin cool. I remember enjoying this more than I thought I would in the beginning, but kinda being…
OMG you know what would be so great...If this cast came back to do another lifetime. They said these two were a bickering couple throughout lifetimes and I would LOVEEE to see another iteration.
Moei is so frickin cool. I remember enjoying this more than I thought I would in the beginning, but kinda being a little let down later on...iirc I wish he had to pine for her more bc I don't think he had to a satisfactory amount. She is so freaking cool and he's beyond lucky and IDR if that was appreciated fully but I'm rewatching it now LOL
Update: No I was def wrong LOL despite faults I really enjoyed it, incredible chemistry, I really fell in love with them. The plot went left and right it felt like multiple shows LMFAO and I do wish the plot was more refined, but I loved all the interactions and moments between the leads. I think it had a lot of topes I liked and Mew and Mark rlly played them out incredibly 😭
i miss watching lakorn (tho this is just one of the few that I've watched) can u guys give me any suggestions…
My fav lakorns are prob Bhoopae Saniwat and My Forever Sunshine, but with MFS I've only watched starting from ep 6 LMAO straight up skipped eps 1-5. I also enjoyed:
- Sapai Jao (the first time was a lot better than rewatching tho) - Put Your Head On My Shoulder (Thai) - Full House (Thai) - Kiss Me (Thai) - Padiwarrada - Sapai Import - Duang Jai Nai Montra - Khaen Rak Salap Chata - Suparburoot Jorm Jon: Maturot Lohgan (major caveat)
Almost all lakorns have some caveat for me though though. Like, I liked...BUT [xyz issue] OR they'll kinda lose traction for me in the last few eps. Still, I enjoyed these to varying levels lOL
Update: I'm on ep 12 and this is def the best version. FL actually has a personality, ML actually looks like he's…
But anyways ultimately, he's truly enamoured and literally everyone from Taliw to the viewers can see it and that's what immediately makes this the best version. He actually grovelled and suffered and it was v satisfying lOL
Update: I'm on ep 12 and this is def the best version. FL actually has a personality, ML actually looks like he's…
That being said....I feel SO bad for King. I also wish that like, instead of just falling into another relationship, the writers made Taliw actually discover herself and define her own identity while maybe realizing she idolized TenTen more than loved him as a whole person. I love this premise (girl loves guy --> guy is indifferent --> girl accepts defeat and works on herself --> guy is like oh shit wait no),, I just wish it was executed in a way that brings much more character depth.
I also would've enjoyed more emphasis on the idea that beyond compatibility, you need acceptance and courage and commitment in a relationship. A romantic relationship is something you /choose/ to be in and constantly make the choice to be in. I would've loved to see this epiphany in TenTen - I wanted to see them show us that Taliw is actually a lot more emotionally mature and sure of herself and brave. She said something like, "So you really figured it all out huh?" When TenTen told her they're not compatible. I think there's just a lot more we could've seen in the separation arc, but it was still 1900% more satisfying than any other version
I've never been a fan of Itazura na Kiss (despite watching the anime and the Japanese and Taiwanese version.....)…
Update: I'm on ep 12 and this is def the best version. FL actually has a personality, ML actually looks like he's into her and you can see the process of him falling (vs all the other versions where I'm like literally how did u fall in love and are u sure ur in love). Also, I genuinely appreciate the adults constantly saying that there's more to life than a pass or fail exam, and no one thing can define our worth as people. I rlly wanna see Taliw like ten ten a little less LOL
Tbvh I low-key would love a version of this where FL actually falls in love with, and ends up with SML because through him she feels loved and treasured and taken care of. We'd see ML going from robot to human and finally understanding human emotions and how to treat people, but he wouldn't get the girl. I wanna see a TaliwxKing AU LOL
So the stepmom, she'll do some HEINOUS shit, and then the show will juxtaposition it with her being on the Chair of the Human Rights Committee or some shit and I think that's soooo clever but it also makes me sad and devastated to know that this is what the world IS like. The most evil people hold the highest positions in society
I hate entitled, unreasonable characters the MOST and lakorns are an expert at creating these characters, and these characters are usually family who end up being forgiven. Like how can you demand and extract all the money out of your youngest daughter and then treat her like shit
I love every morsel of interaction between Min and Tor we get. I love how immediate their connection is even if Tor is denying it, like he's instantly stressed when he thinks that she thinks that he hurt his friend ALSO IDK WHY MIN WENT TO LUNCH WITH THAT SCUMMY DICKHEAD but anyways Tor is so frickin hot...intense gaze...I think he's gonna trap the Prodigal Son through gambling debt hehehe love to see it
Wait...Kwan seems nice to Min?? And Min genuinely missed her? It'd be nice if they had a nice sisterly relationship (but then the Tor thing would be harder to swallow, but also ideally it would be scrapped altogether). I just don't understand how Min is singlehandedly funding the house. The FL does literally whatever is asked of her, and I get it like the consequences would be annoying (Min why didn't you come? Min why didn't you tell me?) But I hope we see her break away from it. Literally why does her mom HATE her wtf shy is she sat like a servant serving everyone, is she not the mom's real child or smth. I like that she speaks up when it really matters to her (ab her dad) but she def is too nice.
I rllllly dont wanna see Tor get close to Kwan, like not real but idw see it and I def don't want Min to see it YEP THERE IT IS she's not her bio daughter. I think min said this as a kid I missed it. "Learn how to say no sometimes" YAS
I'm...literally feverish. Tor. The heat. HOLY CRAP. Also, I just LOVEEE how his revenge (so far) is just using their natures against them. Evil stepmom - the more she can't have it, the more she wants it. Jackal Son - impulsive and stupid and all bravado without substance. Doofus just bet 50 mil and I LIVE for the fact that Tor goaded him and his smirk ewkfnenfjfnjf gahhhh
Bro LMFAO nvm. The sister immediately turned, it didn't even take much. Min is literally just worried about her, asking about Sila, and Kwan is like "have I been too good to u? Ur not even my real sister" bro lmfao. I rlly rlly hate this in lakorns...Min is so nice, Min is so sweet, no matter what awful things her sister or mom says or does to her, they're still family. And that frustrates me to nooo end. I hate that her only supporter, her dad, has Alzheimer's. These two are characters no one listens to/gives any importance except to exploit. But you know what, with all of this...my heart is squeezing and the intensity I feel at this pairing, two people who've rlly been hurt by the people meant to protect them..I'm T__T Really good setup for really good chemistry.
HOLY CRAP THAT WAS LEGIT A SLAP THEN A KISS WKGNKJWRNGKJ ok but omfg.....o___o the fire. I never thought I'd be into slap/kiss and the ones I've briefly seen I've hated but this one was rlly good somehow...maybe it's the way that he's so affected? anyways I rlly don't want Min to interfere with Kwan bc Kwan doesn't see/accept goodwill.
This show is interesting to me because I'm actually invested in the plot BEYOND the romance. A lot of it so far hasn't even had Min in it, but I'm still fully paying attention. BUT when Min, and esp Min and Tor DOOO come on, that's always easily the best times lOL "that car wasn't expensive or new" ok then replace it. u pauper. like how are y'all justifying taking her car that she made payments for, that SHE needed to drive. to her work. where she goes, to feed y'all. "I thought you loved me and wanted me to be happy. Guess u lied, since ur unloved and want to be loved" lmfaoooooooo I'd leave this family so fast I'm all for collectivism in society but that doesn't mean standing for constant abuse.
Kwan is /the worst/ tor is fuming seeing how she treats Min and I'm his mirror right now what a nasty person, I'm down for her revenge I'm gonna just pretend he /pretends/ to sleep w her LOL. What's interesting to me though is that whenever he's "flirting" with Kwan or whenever he's around her, his expression never fully relaxes. His "in love" "enamoured" looks have like a tiny element of disgust I love this actor for doing it so well I think his acting makes the script way more palatable!!!!!!
I also really love Min. Someone told me before that she speaks her mind but no one listens, and that's it! But she still is brave enough to keep speaking her mind and she's the smartest on the show I swear. Also Kwan's mom is Kwan's only friend kdnfkgnkrj I wonder why lmao I feel so bad for my baby Min gahhhh I hate Kwan SO SO much
Holy crap I rlly love Min-Tor interactions so much. Min to Tor: "If he's alive, he's been granted a second life. That's a blessing, why would he want to stay in the past?" this girl is so astute like her words HIT. Kwan beat the shit out of Min, and honestly when Tor said "cruel people like that need to meet someone even crueller like me" and low-key even tho I know the lakorn will teach the opposite message or whatever...I agree. Goodness gets exploited by evil, not appreciated.
BRO. The sparks between these two despite what's happened also they play this track that goes "I need to get you out of my headddd" and the way he looks at her is so intense gahhh
EP 11
Idk how Sila is like "just wait for me Min" like....you can't just be Sila now Tor later u know? And this is also why I DEF can't believe he sleeps with Kwan as in I haven't gotten to the scene but right now I can't imagine him doing that and it must be fake..Also he's like "I can't believe you'd arrest me / sure if this will appease your anger I'll be arrested" when the dude kept holding her against her will like THAT'S why ur going to jail for 2 seconds. why would that appease her anger for it all.
She's like, earnestly begging him to leave her alone 🥺 Anyways Kwan is once again beating the shit out of Min and she thinks it's her right, but Min literally accidentally slapped her in self defene and Kwan is so incredulous about it
EP 12
NOOOO THEY'RE KISSING Kwan and tor T__T like I knew it'd happen I guess but can we go back to 2001 when its like very clearly edited kjwefnwjfn idw see it but tbh for real if I were min I just wouldn't be able to kiss tor again knowing my SISTERS LIPS were on his BLEHHH he wasn't into it and he was looking at her with hate but I hate this ugh BUT they didn't have sex. someone told me that the scene is in ep 13 and I am convinced Kwan is gonna be drunk so he can lie to her about it
Min was asleep calling for Tor so he went beside her and she like curled into his lap and his FACE he doesn't even know what to do he's so soft for her im cryinnggg 🥺 🥺 🥺
EP 13
Nope. I was wrong....they rlly do sleep together v_v Lmfao Kwan. You yell and beat her up when she tries to warn you, you yell and beat her up when you fall for it anyway. Loser ass soul. I know Tor was deep in his revenge mindset and he does love Min or whatever but men rlly have one thing and it's the audacity. Wait, why tf. does Min wanna call Sila WHY IS HE ACTING SO RIGHTEOUS DUDE U SLEPT WITH HER SISTER??? Tor to Min, after sleeping with her sister "Did I do such a horrible thing?" BRUV LMFAO "Were u trying to keep me away from ur sister bc u care about her or about me" u slept with her SISTER SHUT UP SHUT UP also it's so aggravating because Min WAS trying to protect both of them. She knew from the getgo that it wa with ill will Tor approached, and that Tor also needed to free himself from the hole of revenge hes in.
EP 14
omg. THANK GOD. she explicitly said it! u slept with my sister, now ur harassing me. her voice is so hoarse and cracked I feel so BAD for my baby Minnnnn "what I did to ur sister and what I did to u are different" stfu u slept with her sister. min shut the blinds on this fool
EP 15
She's apologizing to him for misunderstanding that he hurt Aoy and Mhisee but HE SLEPT WITH HER SISTER BROOOOO IDK MAN I WOULDNT BE ABLE TO LOOK AT HIM much less TOUCH him. they need to talk about THIS.
EP 16
Dude...it's like Min is already over the fact that he slept with her SISTER??? Min was literally more upset with Tor BEFORE he slept with his sister. I can't focus on the plot because with everything happening, the chances of this not really mattering keep going up and I HATE that. Why write it in
EP18
Bro. She's like hugging him from behind, begging him to stay with her, begging him not to hurt anyone else. He shrugs her off and to himself he says, "ive come too far to be Tor again" DIDNT HE LITERALLY BEFORE TELL HER TO WAIT FOR HIM my LORD and the way that everything he did before made her MORE upset and hate him more than sleeping with her sister!! bro! I cant get over that and idk how they both did immediately. LIKE he hasn't had to really DO anything. Hasn't had to beg for her forgiveness or ANYTHING. He's just all revenge and sheeee is the one going to him and I hate that! That's what I was worried about!
I think all the things I was afraid of are kinda happening....like that he slept with her sister barely had an impact both on his own behaviour or on hers. he didn't really have to do anything. like didn't reflect, doesn't even think its a big deal he slept with her, didn't apologize, and now its just Min trying to chase him to stop his revenge from hurting other people so it didn't even matter that it happened. I hate that the writers wrote this plot line in for it to basically be ignored...I could be wrong because 9 eps to go but from how they're all acting rn.....like idk even if it were a justified action, even if I could understand it, even if I could FORGIVE it, it would be SO HARD for me to look at, much less TOUCH a man who was intimate with my own sister T__T and for Min to not even really ruminate over it? like I think there was one scene, the moment it was happening, where she cried, and that's it...
I think it's so weird that this isn't a barrier, not even a little bit, to their romance. that's prob what gets me the most - this should rationally ABSOLUTELY be something that makes it hard for Min to be romantically involved with Tor and I really wish HE had to reckon with that fact - his actions are directly impeding him from his true love u know and the fact that it isn't is really breaking my immersion with their romance which up until this point I LOVED.
Tor got hurt in a bombing by Sida and like obv thats. gonna be the plot now right. Min is gonna take care of him and they'll be in love. SO aggravating, such a cop out.
EP19?20? idk I been skipping...
R u kidding me. How tf was the Aunt SO unprepared that she was overpowered on her OWN territory. I just skipped the entirety of that episode...maybe this isn't something I can binge? bc im just annoyed LOL I can't believe Mam died, and like THAT?? so ineffectual??
I feel so bad for min. I think im also just so sad at what I thought the direction of this show would/could be and like the chemistry still there, the depth of the relationship still there but idk. BUT Kwan is rlly showing Min how awful of a person she is and I do at least like that. To some extent...Kwan never considered Min her sister. To some extent I can forgive it, but not entirely, when I think about how Min DOES still see Kwan as family.
omg Min SLAPPEDDDDD Kwan YASSSSSS I LOVE that. Dude Kwan is so scary she threatened to send Min to be raped by Ae.
"You never treated me as your sister anyways. I won't give in to you. If I'm not wrong, I'll fight back." YESSS MINNN I LVOE TO SEE IT.
Wait wtf THEYRE GETTING MARRIED? THat makes noooo sense to me. They haven't resolved anything, they dont even REALLY know each other anymore you know? Their whole relationship so far has just been high intensity. Also like...Kwan was literally like "I slept with him and now you want to too?" and its SO GROSS and she just has to listen to it
Man I hateee itttt Kwan was like "I slept with him, now you want to too? You're a mistress" And Min couldn't say anything. Tor had to be like "I slept with many women before you, does that make you a mistress?" Which ya sure, that owns Kwan but I'd feel like shit if I were Min lmao man I feel so bad for her
OMG Kwan is point blank saying all the things like “those hands that touched you held me, those lips that kissed you kissed me. Aren’t you disgusted with yourself?” And I love that. I love that Min stood up for herself too.
I don’t love her response, like to me she just looks sad. But it’s fine whatever I’m going to let this go for my own peace LOL
Omg omg ooo do I sense a little just a litttle bit of hesitation on min? THAT is all I wanted like just to see her be a little affected and need a little time and for tor to be like ok man that was a dumb move and it’s hurting both of us
HE FINALLY APOLOGIZED. FINALLY. FINALLLYYYYYYY
Omg. This convo is everything I wanted. “It’s not easy for me to look past your past. But I have to, because I only have two choices. One, I can’t move forward with you if I’m stuck in the past. Or two, in order to move forward with you, I have to forget your past with Kwan.”
Min is so freaking wise and emotionally intelligent I love her so so so much. I love that this convo is explicitly written in. All my feelings of discontent are mostly gone LOL
And what I LOVEDD and RELISHEDDD is i think that Kwan’s words affected Tor more than anyone else. And I love that. He also looked so stressed when Min was talking so calmly about leaving him if she can’t forget the past. I LOVEEEE that
I love how utterly flustered and undone Tor is by Min. Their scenes are so cute again hehehe he’s kinda shy kekeke
Also the Sida thing doesn’t make sense to me. Like she just found out he’s Tor and she was like ok bail me out to her henchman. Why didn’t she do that before? What difference does it really make that he is Tor like she hates him enough already
omg BROOOOOO Ae hit Min and Tor literally SHOT the hand that hit her my jaw DROPPED that was so hot lmfAOOOOO
Oh man. Tor is sooo mad at Min...yikes. THIS SCENE OOHOHOHOHO they're about to sleep together and it's literally scorching hot im sweating ugh I love that we get cute scenes of them again I rlly didnt think id be able to recover from how the plot was going
Kwan is such a narcissist lmfao thats why I hate her so much. But anyways, they both got abducted, and Kwan was begging for her life. But Min asked for Kwan to be let go "because then, if she makes it out alive, at least my parents will have someone to look after them. I'm worried about my mom and dad" And I think in that moment, Kwan even realized how selfish she is in comparison.
HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT SIDA ENDED UP SHOOTING HER OWN SON //THREE TIMES// IN THE BACK HOLY CRAP now THAT is retribution u cant even plan that shit omFG
Min got shot twice. Ik she's gonna survive it but damn one of them musttt have hit a vital organ...but Tor went so crazy. He's sitting outside the OR room crying rn and asking his mom and aunt for their help and tearfully promising he won't do this anymore T___T poor baby
EP27
What a wild ride. Im glad none of my favs died T_T omfg im SO GLAD Sida didn't die? She deserves to be alive yikes. I really admire Min's philosophy EXCEPT. Forgiveness is one thing, not taking revenge or acting in a harmful way is good too, and but imo I think it's justifiable to remove yourself from people who repeatedly harm you, even if they're family.
LFMAOOOOOOO the way Tor has pregnancy symptoms LMFAO I bet he'll be the type to see the havoc it causes and be like ok ok no more kids but let's continue the theory LMKFKGEROGJNE
REWATCH
EP 8
Damn Tor and Min make me forgive so much because this man was literally taunting her at this point saying "ur someone who doesnt mind sharing the same man as her sister" omg 😭
EP 13
bro idk he literally slept with her sister what, today? and now hes making heavy moves towards her and is completely unrepentant? yikes
EP 22
not this man being called used shoes by the love of his life LMFAOOOOOOO
I really adore Min and Tor. Min is a fantastic character and Tor's acting (as Tor LOL) its so incredible that I really think it makes the script and plot a lot more palatable than it might've been otherwise. Them together was CAPTIVATING to watch. They're so frickin cute.
Fern is such a talented actress, and so pretty, and Tor is literally hotter than temperatures known to mankind. Seriously he is scorching, the way he looks at her...his eyes..how clear it is he loves her...oof. Then, the way he wears hatred and intensity and a calculated smirk. Then, the way he's vulnerable or shy or losing his mind in grief...my goodness
I love Min. Even if I disagree with her sometimes, I find her admirable as a character. And I think she stayed true to herself throughout
Me thinking he's so indifferent and nonchalant is def familiar, but I forgot that it was a personality trait he explicitly gets called out on (or at least it gets mentioned. "Your indifference makes you not know the people around you!") I hope we actually see this fleshed out though, like him actually paying attention and wanting to finally get to know Moei.
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ep 6 - he's so mean and callous with her in the beginning that I'm keeping tabs and he has to suffer/grovel/pine in proportionate amounts - I'm p sure first watch through was me excited and loving the buildup to me being disappointed by how easy it all was for him...LOL but no matter how mean he is...Moei keeps her poise. I love her so frickin much. I rlly rlly rlly want to see her TRULY come to a moment of, "ok. this is not working out. I gave it my all but he isn't reciprocating so I have to move on"
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Mark Prin tho...fml, I am weak in the knees for him. The way he stares, the way he looks so curious and like maybe he's seeing her for the first time? Like he's trying to figure her out. He plays cruel and callous so well and then he plays sweet and loving so well too im in a toxic relationship with him in my head lerngkjbgkjg
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Ep 7 - he literally left her alone in a dangerous situation I am keeping them TABS. Also, I forget why Moei did the whole hacker thing and I forget if it was explained or not but I def hope it is EDIT: Oh wait ya I remember the boss asked her to - ok so now my new hope is Tien appropriately repents for all his cruelty lOL
I know she's fallen in love with him from TIME, and I can even see why but...I wish the way that he REPEATEDLY shows her that he doesn't care actually deeply registered with her at least once. Like, ok this guy does not give one shit about me, I have to move on. He was following her the whole time sure, but 1) she doesn't know that and 2) that doesn't make up for it imo, it's just a weird move
UGH ok so the fact that Moei was undercover was revealed and he's mad. He's always mad, and it's always her who has to worry about him being mad even though literally just yesterday she was upset with the realization that he doesn't care about her
Still ep 7 and he's furious and sulking and to some extent I get it but I'm sooooo unsympathetic and he's telling her "as ur superior u did a good job, but I'm ur husband too" when have u EVER been her husband like you deny it all the time but NOW it's convenient? I'm just...I hate the shift of burden onto her in that she's so easily affected by his changing moods and he hurts her over and over again she's cried like a million times but it's never him apologizing, it's him getting angry and then her trying to appease him. like she's leaving for Myanmar and I wish she just left without Tien saying anything to her. He was basically like, you failed as a wife and took advantage of my kindness BRO WHERE?? and now THAT's what she's going to think about entirely
I JUST....I really really really need Tien to make up for all his bullshit in a way that is satisfactory, but I just don't know if we'll get it because Moei is SO in love with him that she will forgive and forget anything.
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The other thing is, he's made it abundantly clear with both words and actions that he is NOT interested in her. It doesn't matter if he actually IS, but he's saying he's not and he's doing things to show he's not. I actually really wish Moei would for once, truly respect his decision. This is on her too tbh
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Ok....I'll admit it....for all my bravado and insistence on Tien getting some good karmic retribution for his words and actions....I am melting seeing him melt at Moei. Very tsundere
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Ep 10, at the scene where he's drunk and they're looking at the moon and she's apologizing for all the trouble she's caused - low-key kinda loving this. Loved their interactions when Tien was taking care of Moei after her injury. I also, right now, DO think that Moei is accepting the fact that she needs to move on. I love that she gave it her all, and gave it her all one final time, and now is saying goodbye.
As much as I pick on Tien, all of this is pretty unfair to him to. Mind you. the tally of meanness vs retribution still isn't balanced but this tricksy show kinda made me forget, just by how much I love seeing the changes in Tien. But his excessive meanness aside, he was forced into a marriage he didn't want (albeit it was for his own safety), constantly pestered and pursued by a girl he repeatedly said he'll never be interested (not only by her, but by his family too). She forced his way into his life, made him get used to her and used to her love, and then she unilaterally is making the decision to end it. Everything has been on her terms, she gave him multiple chances but to him, they were given before he was ready.
I still....idk like I'm enjoying this a lot but I guess there's a lot I wish happened or I wish we could see? Tbf lots left to go but idk just based on the trajectory..idk idk we'll see. The chemistry between the two though, and how the actors bring their characters to life...it's incredible. It's easily one of the biggest draws and why the script is working as well as it is.
There's something that's just so watchable about this lakorn to me. I love that there aren't any unnecessary and drawn out side plots. Other than the uncomfortable rape and battery scenes of the SFL in the beginning, there hasn't been much of that either. I like all the characters, I enjoy watching them all interact. I'm genuinely having a good time, even if all the things I wanted weren't and aren't being met.
BRO IM CRYING HOW U GONNA TELL ME THAT TIEN WAKES UP HUNGOVER AND SOMEHOW STILL MANAGES TO RUN AND CATCH UP TO THE VAN MOEI WAS IN. SHE WAS ALREADY BOARDED AND THE VAN WAS MOVING. HE WOKE UP AND CAUGHT UP??? NAUR Anyways all it took was one shot of breathless, mad Mark Prin through the window of the van to make me instantly forgive this
This frickin guy. I was having the time of my life, enjoying the hell out of this scene, only for him to kill the mood by pulling out his old and overused "HERE IS A BUNCH OF WORK AS PUNISHMENT" card I swear to god if this man were not this hot.........pretty privilege is too real. Lowest of keys tho...I'm obsessed with how STRESSED he is at the idea of her leaving him. I love it. I relish it. I want more of it..
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Gahhhhhhh it was Arthit in Forever Sunshine and now Tien in this. It's the way he becomes so DETERMINED. Once he's made up his mind, he will love and cherish and protect her forever man im so WEAK
Ugh lorddd they got me good...it's cute man...but at the end there was a preview for ep 11 and I literally forgot about the mob dude and SFL ugh idw deal with that LOL
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I'll think oh I wish this happened or I wish it was like this or I'll be like wtf but thennnnnnnnnn they have the cutest and most candid scenes together that brings out the best in both personalities and im like kejrgnejkrgn help
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WAIT THEY'RE NOT GONNA SLEEP TOGETHER RIGHT...LIKE SHE DOES LOOK LIKE SHE SOBERED UP A BIT BUT NOT NEARLY ENOUGH TO PROCESS WHAT'S ALL GOING ON
oh my god. they did. she was like, umm hey maybe let's not do this tonight, and he was like don't u love me? we're married and then he was like 'u might get mad at me tomorrow but I'm doing this because I love u' bro.....((please im begging if anyone reads this pleaseee dont reply with trying to contextualize this by using culture as an excuse)
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Ok so I was wrong before...she becomes standoffish, scared, and fleeting from the relationship. I see how some may be frustrated, but actually...I kinda rlly enjoy this right now? I might change my mind but idk I think it makes sense that she doesn't trust his feelings for her. She's so used to hearing him say the meanest things and in a way that's so final "I'll never fall in love with a woman like her" and over and over again. And like, he's more heavy handed actions than words. He has made it pretty clear that he loves her and wants to marry her, but she's confused and I think it's easy to make up a lot of diff scenarios to explain it away "he just feels guilty, he' s worried about money" than to hope and be hurt again. I wanted Tien to suffer a bit, and persist in HIS pursuit for her for a bit, and change a little to accommodate how SHE likes to be loved, and I think we might be seeing that? 👀 we'll see
He's like insisting on their marriage and something between not even caring about her opinion and just being super sure that her choice will be him. And that does make sense, she has shown through her words and actions that she will do anything for him. He got to know her, experienced briefly what it might be like to lose her, really got to bask in how she adores him, and so he switched up. But his switch up freaked her out so SHE switched up LOLLL But anyways she's asking him to answer a few questions about her, and if he can, she'll agree to the marriage. She's so sardonic, and sure he can't and tbh I bet she's RIGHT. Idk I love this level of angst I was begging for it LOLL
But also, Tien's "What about us?" :'( Troy could never (jk love troy bolton)
He really IS being confronted with the fact that he doesn't KNOW HER. Just like in the beginning, your indifference prevents you from knowing people. But he actually, for the first time, wants to get to know someone. She's making points. She's spent her whole life loving him and learning about him. It's not his fault, but still, she did, and she needs to figure out herself. On the other hand, he just discovered this love, and now she's stepping away before he gets to explore it, I love it
I'M LITERALLY LIVINGGG FOR THIS CONVO BETWEEN THEM
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Start of ep 12 - I was so wrong. All the times he's been careless and callous are being thrown back at him and I LOVE IT
It might be a little messy ad unclear the way they do it, but things DID come full circle. Moei realizing she has to take care of herself too, she's also important to people around her and she can't squander that by focusing only on Tien. The idea of like her realizing he's been waiting for someone who's not her - and we saw this in a scene too, with Tien and Moei at the temple when he prayed for the love of his life to come along BUT he was staring at her a lot too since he was starting to fall for her. It's just the timing of these two...BUT I LOVE IT LMFAO
Ep13 - So he wrote her a letter and explicitly and sincerely apologized for everything in the past, which I appreciate. I was worried that this would be him being like "ya im the worst I dont deserve ur love go be free" cos I would've been SO pissed, but he said (not in the letter) "I'll never doubt ur love again" so I truly hope that's not the case...bc that would be so cowardly and I'd have to revoke my ship tbh. Like if it falls on her again t coax him back, I'm outtie. I RLLY FRICKIN HOPE SHE ACTUALLY GOES ABROAD TO STUDY and he shows that his love can also be unwavering and true. He signed the divorce agreement, but I hope it's so he can marry her properly.
Ok, so there's been a two month time skip. Tien looks haggard as heck, and he keeps seeing mirages of Moei doing things around his home. Definitely that indifference from the beginning has completely been ripped off, this is a dude deeply in love and also pining. Good. HOWEVER....if that's his whole thing? He realized he loved her, set her free, and just wallowed around....idk I'm still disappointed. Again, I want him to FIGHT for her but not in the way he was doing before where he would make decisions and force it on her. I want him to coax her, to woo her, to romance her and "hit on her" u know T__T All those questions she asked that he wasn't able to answer, I want to see him try his best to learn the answers, to learn HER. Go abroad, study, I'll follow you type shit. we'll see if that happens even a little...
He looks like the life in him is gone, and the mom's like "Listen, idk if you rlly love her or not, but if you're sincere, you have to prove it." YAS mom and then later he visits Moei's mom and literally goes on his knees to apologize for his behaviour and tells her that he didn't divorce because he doesn't still love Moei, and the mom was like "u should tell her this and you should try to get her back" YASSS he's asking her mom to tell him about her, which is cute, but I really really need to see him confront HER and convince HER that he is interested and I want him to learn things about her from her yk AND NOW I THINK THAT IS THE PLAN TBH
Also I'm not upset Moei didn't study abroad. Idt she really wanted to, but I appreciate that she's genuinely trying to get over him when she's loved him her entire life basically
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NOOOOOOOOO IS SHE PREGNANT?? TELL ME SHE'S NOT BECAUSE I WAS LITERLALY LIKE WOW OMG WHAT WAS I THINKING BEFORE THIS IS GOING GREAT BUT IF SHE'S PREGNANT THEN GAHHHHHH
lmfao. she is. she's fucking pregnant. that's why she couldn't go abroad. she's pregnant from the time he literally coerced her into sex when she was drunk. ok....they literally haven't even talked and now he knows she's pregnant and I hate that and I hate that she's pregnant UGHHHH
SHE'S SAYING it too man. She's like, I wanted to go abroad for 2 years, figure myself out but also give you the time and space to see if you need me in your life but you got me pregnant. I AM SO SO SO FRICKIN UPSET and its ep13/15 too so like how tf else are they gonna make me mad godd I HATEEEE the pregnancy plots SO tricking MUCH
Ok...this is gonna sound really messed up...but the preview for E14 kinda indicates she might have a miscarriage. And tbh....I would really appreciate that. like if they have a baby right now, as they are, then there will always be a part of her that wonders if he just stayed for the baby, and a part of her that questions his love. They also aren't secure as a couple to be co-parenting a whole human child. I also just HATE what pregnancy does to a romance story if it wasn't the original plot. Plus, the loss and hardship of this would probably really bring out what kind of couple they are and how they are supportive of each other. MAN what a freaking emotional rollercoaster, but ya....if miscarriage, I'm ok again..
Ok it's really frickin cute to watch him learn how to sew and do all these little things to take care of her. He will be a good husband T___T also, I rlly like the OST also he's such a literal idiot lmaoooo he said some shit like "ur so kind how r u so cruel to me, didnt u say u loved me" and she's NOT having it LMFAOO but he said "You can keep driving me away, but I'm not going anywhere" YESS this is what I wanted to hear.
SEE SEE SEE SEE the pregnancy and baby (justifiably) supersedes the romance, and that's fine for real life but it's NOT WHAT I WANNA BE WATCHING like she's kinda being pressured to compromise what she wants for her and Tien (time and space apart bc of the baby
You know what I love...she hasn't smiled at him in such a long time. She used to always smile, and so brightly too but she hasn't in forever. I'd love it if they wrote that in, like him noticing that and lamenting also IM FRICKIN DYINNGGG HER PREGNANCY NAUSEA WAS KICKING UP AND SEEING HIS FACE MADE HER MORE NAUSEOUS JKRGNKJEGNR
oho she's wavering and I love it. I was wrong as hell before, she def didn't make it easy for him, but I loveeee how she's a little touched and u can seeee it
"I'm worried there's something wrong with the baby" "don't worry, no matter what, it's still our baby." LOVELY RESPONSE TIEN ugh I shit on him but I love him a lot mark prin is also ruining my life. ok they did a literal ultra sound, we all saw the baby, we know the gender...it's too personal now, it would be crazy to miscarriage now...
She's straight up saying "If we don't love each other, we shouldn't have a child together, that won't keep us together" and I love that candidness and he is so good natured in his response, so cute and softly smiling in an exasperated way, and says to her "help me figure out how to convince you to stay with me" and MAN THIS SCENE WAS SO FRICKIN CUTE she starts sobbing and he's like o__o and he goes over to give her tissues at the same time she goes over and just gives him the biggest hug im crying like she rlly rlly wanted to trust him but it was hard but he really did persist and she finally lets her guard down AWHWHHWW ok ... they def shouldn't do a miscarriage...he just needs to explicitly say one time that he loves her and loved her before the baby, and we're good. end it there, with them married and expecting their first son...(1.5 episodes to go LMFAO)
Ok so Moei is showing troubling signs in her pregnancy and Tien just got a call from the doctor saying it's not good so he decides to go to the doc ALONE to find out what happened and then decides not to tell her. I kinda get it, he doesn't want her to get anxious and aggravate the condition. But DUDE this is what got u into trouble repeatedly!!! Not trusting her to be able to take care of herself, not including her in your decision making, not respecting her agency. This is gonna backfire I know it...Also, it's HER health and her body! In his anxiety he gets super controlling and bro u gotta sort that out
This show is tossing me around like a damn rag doll. CUTEST scene again. He was like, I've been with a lot of women and she groaned and he was like but only u got into my heart AND HE SMILED SO CUTELY GAH Moei is also so mischievous and cute gosh I love her so darn much ~cue to foreboding and ominous scene of Tien scared he's gonna lose either the mom or baby or both. But this is the thing...he still doesn't know what it means to be in a relationship. It's a PARTNERSHIP where you carry burdens together. He tries to do everything by himself. He's SOOO stressed out though I feel so bad for him he's having nightmares and calling her name T_T
The show is doing this really well though. The makeup to makeup Moei look more gaunt. The ANXIETY in Tien dude he jumps every time she moves LOL BROO SHE'S ASKING YOU SHOULD ANSWER u little dummy my god but also he's so playful and cute like so sweet after falling in love I have mixed feelings about this whole plot line
He's sobbing in the shower and I feel so bad but I keep thinking..he's getting all this extra time to grieve. Like he doesn't know it, I still suspect miscarriage and if that happens, he's gone through a lot of anxiety and grief because a part of him knew it to be possible. She will be BLINDSIDED. Her baby will be gone and she'll find out her husband hid the truth of her health. She might even blame herself before finding this out for MAX ANGST gah...I love a good angst but only in appropriate dosages...
The preview for 15 not looking good...WAIT. I WAS WRONG??? THE BABY WAS BORN AND HONESTLY LOOKS FAT AND HEALTHY? wait I must have somehow missed it but they're twins. anyways her condition isn't getting better .. the way I rlly thought they'd die to the end but I'm glad they didn't. I said what I said before but they did circumvent my concerns and after a certain point I was def hoping against the miscarraige/death foreshadowing. this is def dragged out a little bc this ep is just flashbacks and sad music...ok 3/4 way, getting cute again!! THE WEDDING
They look so in love 🥺 Also the way Chet and Nott were resolved..sucked, but it's fine I skipped that whole plot lol Kao Feng and Sang were cute hehe OK OK OK the way he brought the hacker girl voice back I'm digging it
HONESTLY for all it's faults it's super cute T__T I rlly am convinced by this pair and all the hardships they went thru but still his control issues need work LOL I think all the things I wanted were more or less satisfied, the flashbacks and directing got messy but it's all fine bc Moei and Tien really got me on a hook.
Tien really is a good husband and a good father. He works and takes care of the house too and I appreciate that a lot LMAO god they're so freaking cute together like they really are a couple in love, building a family
BRUV HOW IS HE GONNA SAY HE WANTS MORE KIDS I actually expected him to say the opposite. If my wife went through this much trauma I would never want her to go through a pregnancy again. Do I wish that they had resolved all these things (Moei's independence, Tien's realization of his love, making up for past words/actions) without the use of this pregnancy/health plot line? Yes, and I still dk don't like how they framed the whole keeping it from her, OR HOW THEY RLLY INCLUDED RAPE which I AM minimizing.
But man.....it's these two characters together,
I rlly appreciate ur responses though and I’m kinda excited to try it out no matter which direction my feelings go LOL I’ll let u know 👀
I do know that when watching lakorns, you have to accept (to some extent) that you’re watching a lakorn LOL
If that’s what ur telling me then maybe I should try it 😭😭 Another comment or below mentioned that they tried to contrast vengeance for ML with forgive and forget with FL and that really turned me off to it
Update: No I was def wrong LOL despite faults I really enjoyed it, incredible chemistry, I really fell in love with them. The plot went left and right it felt like multiple shows LMFAO and I do wish the plot was more refined, but I loved all the interactions and moments between the leads. I think it had a lot of topes I liked and Mew and Mark rlly played them out incredibly 😭
- Sapai Jao (the first time was a lot better than rewatching tho)
- Put Your Head On My Shoulder (Thai)
- Full House (Thai)
- Kiss Me (Thai)
- Padiwarrada
- Sapai Import
- Duang Jai Nai Montra
- Khaen Rak Salap Chata
- Suparburoot Jorm Jon: Maturot Lohgan (major caveat)
Almost all lakorns have some caveat for me though though. Like, I liked...BUT [xyz issue] OR they'll kinda lose traction for me in the last few eps. Still, I enjoyed these to varying levels lOL
I also would've enjoyed more emphasis on the idea that beyond compatibility, you need acceptance and courage and commitment in a relationship. A romantic relationship is something you /choose/ to be in and constantly make the choice to be in. I would've loved to see this epiphany in TenTen - I wanted to see them show us that Taliw is actually a lot more emotionally mature and sure of herself and brave. She said something like, "So you really figured it all out huh?" When TenTen told her they're not compatible. I think there's just a lot more we could've seen in the separation arc, but it was still 1900% more satisfying than any other version
Tbvh I low-key would love a version of this where FL actually falls in love with, and ends up with SML because through him she feels loved and treasured and taken care of. We'd see ML going from robot to human and finally understanding human emotions and how to treat people, but he wouldn't get the girl. I wanna see a TaliwxKing AU LOL